I guess when it comes to rating pump guns that I have experience with, I have the Remington 870 and Mossberg 590/500 tied for first. 6 in one hand, half dozen in the other, it's just a matter of user preference. In third, I like the Ithaca 37. Really, the only reason I rank it here is the spare parts situation with the older guns. Parts can be had but not nearly as easily as the Remington or Mossberg. In 4th, I put the Winchester 1200/1300 here. My experience with this model is limited to my time in the Marines with the 1200 Trench gun and I don't think any of us really cared for them. Now we were trained with the Mossberg 590 and maybe that's what colors my bias but personally, I never cared for the "speed pump" feature of the Winchester design. I always found the pump blowing back to be more disconcerting than any sort of an aide to faster cycling. My personal thought on the feature was "If I want the pump to come back, I'll pull the damned thing back myself rather than have it blown back out of my hand!" Now that doesn't mean that I'm not willing to give it a second chance. I already own 2 Remingtons, 2 Mossbergs and an Ithaca but I am looking at adding to the collection a 20 gauge Remington 870 Express for the boy, a High Standard Flite-King and maybe a Winchester 1200 riot gun or 1300 Defender. If I go with the riot gun, I'll probably try to get a heat shield to make a clone of the ones I carried when I was in the Marines. However, I do like the utilitarian look and higher capacity of the Defender so that's another option. Like I said, I'm willing to give it another chance and it's on my short list but it's at the bottom of my short list.