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Posted: 12/2/2007 8:46:15 PM EDT
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It was quite the thing in the day. Larry's Dad did them custom in house long before they designed and developed the Seecamp semi auto (of which I own a .32 of). You should find something out there on the conversion. Or, just ask Larry on the Seecamp forum about it.
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Posted: 12/2/2007 8:54:15 PM EDT
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FWIW, Para is a substandard company that charges higher and builds lower, but their LDA is the smoothest DA application made. And even then it's as usless as tits on a station wagon.
I've had a few LDAs. They are impressive for what they are, but they are no substitute for a good 3.5-5 pound 1911 SA trigger pull (unless you are a 1911 zealot and your dept only allows DA). |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:09:36 PM EDT
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I didn't even think about the Para LDA. I don't know the technical terms for it but the one in the picture has a pivot trigger in front of what looks like the standard 1911 straight trigger.
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Posted: 12/2/2007 10:16:09 PM EDT
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Weird. I haven't seen a reference to these in years, and not ten minutes a friend of mine (who didn't see this thread) sent me a link to one on Gunbroker asking me what it was.
I've always wondered if these didn't have some influence on the Double Eagle. |
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Posted: 12/2/2007 11:18:02 PM EDT
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In for more info on this. I know I've read something where Jeff Cooper mentions the Seecamp Conversion for the 1911, and calls it "the best of both worlds" viz. DA/SA vs. SA-only
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Posted: 12/3/2007 2:56:43 AM EDT
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Colt's Double Eagle was another DA 1911. Went the way of the dodo.
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Posted: 12/3/2007 11:03:11 AM EDT
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Fortunately.
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Posted: 12/3/2007 1:04:22 PM EDT
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IIRC, the LDA isn't a "true" DA. If the hammer falls on a dud round, the slide must be racked to recock the weapon. Similar to some of the striker-fired autos out there. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 1:09:29 PM EDT
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YRC
An LDA is not "true" DA, as true DA requires second strike capability. But it is quasi DA, because the trigger pull both draws back the hammer and lets it fall. The difference is the trigger doesn't cock the hammer. The hammer must be cocked for it to move back and then forward... pulling the trigger won't cock the weapon. |
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Posted: 12/3/2007 1:11:17 PM EDT
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www.seecamp.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?board=conversions
I had one back in the early '90s that I now regret parting with, if for nothing more than the oddity/rarity of them. 
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Posted: 12/3/2007 5:12:49 PM EDT
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Hell, for tits, *I* would drive a station wagon!!!!!! 
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Posted: 12/3/2007 5:30:48 PM EDT
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LOL
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Posted: 12/4/2007 4:10:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/4/2007 6:13:04 AM EDT
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That's like calling a feces-frosted doughnut "the best of both worlds." "The mouthwatering taste of human sewage without the annoying and disgusting sugary goodness." |
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Posted: 12/4/2007 9:38:59 AM EDT
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You can hear the wind being sucked out of the room any time Cooper's words are being criticized, but when you're right, you're right.
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Posted: 12/4/2007 9:56:39 AM EDT
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I never said I agreed with that particular line of his...I prefer SA to DA/SA. |
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Posted: 12/4/2007 10:29:38 AM EDT
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I was plainly acknowledging Ken mays' criticism of Cooper's statement, and while I can't speak for him, I don't think he (Ken mays) was doing more than criticizing Cooper's words.
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Posted: 12/4/2007 10:45:36 AM EDT
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Cooper has written very little I disagree with. As I recall he was pretty consistently disparaging of DA triggers on autos, complaining that the CZ75 was encumbered with the "crunchenticker."
I'd venture to guess that his comment referenced above was probably tempered with something like, "If you have only shot revolvers your entire life, and have a pathological fear of cocked and locked carry, and need your Mommy to load your gun for you, the Seecamp conversion is the best of both worlds. A long DA pull for you milksops who think anything less than a 12 pound pull is horrendously unsafe, coupled with the One True Trigger for when you finally overcome your atavistic fears, take your thumb out of your mouth, and use it to deactivate the safety." That's how I like to imagine he felt, anyway. |
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Posted: 12/4/2007 11:28:36 AM EDT
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Pretty much...let me see if I can find the page in To Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the Truth... Okay, p118-119 of the 1998 paperback. prefacing bits are about how most DA semis are to his mind so awkward, and activating the manual safety also is a decocker, and how converting a DA/SA with a decocker/safety to a DA/SA without the safety being also the decocker, and how things can go wrong with that. "And then, of course, there is that preferred form of d.a. [sic] auto that offers trigger-cocking in conjunction with a convenient Condition 1 override. This truly selective double-action is a feature of the Czech 75 and the Seecamp Conversion of the 1911. This system offers the best of both worlds." And then he goes on to say why DA might, in some circumstances, be a good thing. |
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Posted: 12/4/2007 11:40:00 AM EDT
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That makes some sense. The CZ75 is a great operating system, which allows you to completely ignore the DA trigger if you are so inclined. It's about the only thing I like about the USP as well. |
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Posted: 12/4/2007 12:17:36 PM EDT
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1911s are never "double action," converted or otherwise, in my (not humble at all) opinion.
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Posted: 12/4/2007 2:08:31 PM EDT
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+1 They are the unholy and unfortunate offspring of the DA donkey and the 1911 racehorse. |
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Posted: 12/4/2007 2:11:40 PM EDT
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my problem exactly. I like 1911s a lot, but I have no use for a weapon i can't carry on/off duty. So i got a 7.45 LDA and i've learned to shoot it VERY accurately with that trigger. Its not as nice as a tuned kimber or something, but it'll do the jobbetter than a lot of stock triggers. |
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Posted: 12/4/2007 3:13:18 PM EDT
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If I am not mistaken, Seecamps conversion was. Or at least it was the best one. Which is why it was so popular at the time. Again, go ask Larry Seecamp if you want to know. He is pretty good about answering these sorts of things and he grew up doing them with his Father. He could tell you exactly what you wanted to know about this. I do recall reading some of his explanations on this but, with my lack of detail knowledge about 1911's, it all went right over my head. |
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Posted: 12/4/2007 11:01:17 PM EDT
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I don't want to know anything about them as "1911s are never "double action," converted or otherwise, in my (not humble at all) opinion."
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Posted: 12/4/2007 11:04:30 PM EDT
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THe LDA pull is smooth and light as any hammer cocking action could be. But the reset sucks ass beyond words. |
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