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Posted: 9/23/2005 8:21:52 PM EDT
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Avoid external extractors the same way you'd avoid a woman with aids.
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Posted: 9/23/2005 8:30:25 PM EDT
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Please, keep in mind that your dealing with someone who knows very little about 1911. Why avoid external extractors, arn't external extactors the norm for reliable guns like glocks? Don't all kimber pistols have external extractors, if not which ones don't?
Thanks for the hint, but I need more info. Jerad |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 8:31:34 PM EDT
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Please.  Only if you are a strictly devout 1911 purist. |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 8:43:06 PM EDT
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There's much debate about internal vs external extractors.
Problem with 1911's is that they were designed for internal....and no one company/maker has hit upon the "This Will Work" design for the external type. Most all "normal" 1911's have internal extractors. They could require some tuning, but in theory, bone stock in-spec 1911 extractors will always work, given that the barrel, ejector, slide, etc is all in the original spec. Start with a used Colt Series 70, or other older Colt...they work. Grow from there. Just my opinion... If you want a good carry piece in 1911 flavor, well...there's a ton out there, most good. It helps..shit, pays dividends...if you're already familiar with the platform. (Think wanting to buy a shorty AR...it helps if you do the work and research first to see what potential problems may be) |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 8:49:33 PM EDT
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My Colt Defender is a great ccw, fun, very accurate and ez take down! I love it!---------------------------
GTD |
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Posted: 9/23/2005 8:56:08 PM EDT
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Or if you've had one that doesnt work 
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Posted: 9/23/2005 8:57:05 PM EDT
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Alright we'll give you a pass on that then...... 
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Posted: 9/23/2005 9:00:03 PM EDT
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My brothers doesnt work either....
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Posted: 9/24/2005 8:49:46 AM EDT
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Getting to know the platform is good advise. There's a lot of things to consider, but if you're looking at a 3" barrel 1911, you should look at the Springfield Micro. I own two of them and like them a lot for deep concealment. One of the two did take a bit of trial and error to get running right. I had to drill a dimple into the slide stop and it still only runs with light bullets for defensive ammo. Neither one of those is a big issue for me, but I do have to make sure what ammo I load into it when carrying. It runs 100% with 230 grain FMJ ammo and only hesitates with 230 JHP.
The other is dead nuts reliable with everything I feed it. If you can conceal a larger gun, you really should set a minimum barrel of 4". Only go to the 3" if there is no way to work with the longer barrel. |
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Posted: 9/24/2005 2:01:53 PM EDT
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Kimber has had problems with their external design and is on the 4th or so design. S&W has an external extractor and has had zero issues with their design. It's an issue in the 1911 workd but don't let it get in your way on making a decision.
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Posted: 9/24/2005 2:04:47 PM EDT
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To be honest with you guys, I need a small package, light weight, large caliber hand gun that is going to be reliable and it sounds like I may not get it out of a 1911. Should I go back to glock and look at a 29 or 30?
I only have the money to buy one hand gun and I need it to run right out of the box, after dropping 1k on a 1911 I won't have the cash flow or time available to modify it so it works. So it needs to run on JHP & FMJ 230grn. right out of the box, just as my glocks did. Am I going in the wrong direction? Jerad |
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Posted: 9/24/2005 2:08:36 PM EDT
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Dont fix what isnt broke. |
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Posted: 9/24/2005 2:16:49 PM EDT
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If you don't absolutely require a small and light pistol, a Les Baer TRS or RRA ADCO special are good buys. They may take some time to break in.
A Les Baer Stinger or Colt CCO is smaller and much lighter. |
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Posted: 9/24/2005 2:22:13 PM EDT
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+1 If you are used to glocks, use glocks. If you are a 1911 guy, use a 1911. |
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Posted: 9/24/2005 2:58:33 PM EDT
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I've used glock and I love glocks, but I'm trying to expand my collection and gain appreciation for an American classic. Anyone know if the springfield Micro-Compact comes with night sights and is a ramped barrel that important with an alloy frame? Thanks, Jerad |
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Posted: 9/24/2005 3:43:02 PM EDT
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I know I said it before, but the Colt Defender feels much like a 5" and recoil is no problem!----Trigger 4.25lb out of teh box and eats anything you feed it! Sorry i'm just very very happy with mine and others that own the "Defender" tell me the same. Did I say no bbl bushing? Oh ya, thats a great way to get in to the family and have a daily ccw as well!! Ok, I'll stop------------------------------------------------------------------------------------for now-------------------! GTD |
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Posted: 9/24/2005 3:52:49 PM EDT
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Go Glock.
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Posted: 9/24/2005 4:05:30 PM EDT
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Yes, the Micro has night sights except for the GI version. Both the Loaded and the GI model have a ramped barrel. The ramped barrel is important with an alloy frame and the Micro has one. |
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Posted: 9/24/2005 4:48:33 PM EDT
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So it sounds like due to the internal extractor the Springfield Micro will be a more reliable firearm. Does anyone besides cliffy109 have any experience with the micro?
Thanks, Jerad |
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Posted: 9/24/2005 5:02:14 PM EDT
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Gee I think this is the 1911 discussions
 forum? Let me look............. .............. yep that's what it says. If you want to discuss Glocks there is a forum dedicated to Glock.  Steve |
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Posted: 9/24/2005 5:09:45 PM EDT
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I have no experiance with the Micro but my Officers ACP runs like a top and so have the Kimber Pro Carry IIs w/ internal extractor that I've had in my possesion. There really isn't much differance in size between the micro size 1911s and the mid or commander size 1911's. If you're looking for the best qaulity, no hassles, don't have to send it anywhere 1911 carry gun availabe I'd say look hard at the S&W Scandium 1911. If I was going to carry and external extractor designed 1911 this one would head the list. 
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Posted: 9/24/2005 5:16:10 PM EDT
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Go with a 5" 1911. The absolute "best buy" IMHO in a tradional 1911 is the Kimber 25th Anniversay Custom. If can be had for less than $800 OTD. Check Gunbroker.com and Auctionarms .com It is again IMHO the best "bang for your buck" in a full size 1911.
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Posted: 9/24/2005 5:37:08 PM EDT
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A lot of the time I carry a 5" Springfield IWB. With the appropriate belt and holster, it works quite well.
More often, I carry a Kimber Eclipse Pro II (stainless Commander sized) with the Dreaded External Extractor (code name DEE). I haven't had any problems with the DEE. Until I read it here, I didn't even know there was a problem with the DEE. I did have a problem with an aftermarket slide stop on it, so I took that slide stop off and put the original back on and haven't had any further problems. I'm not a big fan of the super-mini 1911s. They don't fit my hands very well. I have a friend who carries with one of the Kimber tinys and he likes it a lot. Me, having my pinky hanging below the grip just weirds me out somehow. Hmm, I just checked and my Browning HP-35 has the DEE on it, too. It's always worked. I'm lucky!
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Posted: 9/24/2005 8:53:43 PM EDT
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Honestly? I'd be eschewing autos and pick up a snubbie revolver in that case. But, that's just me. |
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Posted: 9/24/2005 9:21:43 PM EDT
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To me I would never carry a gun for self defense I was 100% familiar with. Other than that I'm not an ogre so I only can carry my 3" micro compact during the winter months and sometimes I can even get by with the full size springfield when I'm not taking my coat on and off 100 times. During the summer I go with my .38 airlight. Hell half the time I don't even know its there.
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Posted: 9/24/2005 9:31:06 PM EDT
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New Colt Commander, a bit smaller then a 5" model, can be had in a LW configuration, tend to be more reliable out of the box then a smaller model, bit easier to shoot then a smaller model, many parts are interchangable, lots of stuff on the aftermarket for them, springs tend to last longer then the smaller ones. I also have a Defender which has been 100% reliable from day one, has eaten everything I have thrown at it. Great little CCW piece.
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Posted: 9/24/2005 9:48:09 PM EDT
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My bros ex has a SA micro and it never felled to go threw what we fed it. I personally put probably 700 plus rounds threw it without a glitch!
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Posted: 10/7/2005 8:50:35 PM EDT
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My current CCW gun is a Les Baer Stinger in blued steel. It is heavy compared to the gun it replaced, a Kimber Ultra CDP-II, but worn in my Milt Sparks Versa-Max-II I hardly notice the added weight. The extra heft is a comfort when shooting it.
I had a MIM failure and it scared me away from it for carry purposes. I still have my Custom Classic-I and love it, but wouldn't carry a MIM'd gun for personal protection. That's just me, though. You mentioned the small-of-the-back (SOB) holster. PLEASE RECONSIDER THIS METHOD OF CARRY! The SOB holster placed a bar of steel directly across your lumbar region. One good fall on your back could cause a serious spinal injury. This method also tends to sweep others when drawing. A good IWB (inside the waistband) holster such as the Milt Sparks Versa-Max-II, Watch 6, or Summer Special, along with a proper gun belt will hide a larger gun in a much more secure and safe position than the SOB holster. Good luck and stay safe. |
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Posted: 10/8/2005 12:50:21 PM EDT
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What was the MIM failure?
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Posted: 10/8/2005 1:35:33 PM EDT
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If using a quality IWB holster for a 1911, example a VM 2, the comfort level between a small framed 1911 and a 5" is negligible. I keep suggesting this when asked of a quality 1911: Search Gunbroker.com or Auctionarms.com for the Kimber 25th Anniversary Custom. The original retail price was just under $1000 when these came out. You can pick one up brand new for less than $800, including delivery, transfer fee, etc.
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Posted: 10/8/2005 10:29:10 PM EDT
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At about 3500 rounds, the magazine catch shattered into two main pieces and several small ones while I was qualifying with it for my off-duty gun. I've been shooting 1911's for the better part of a decade and I've never even heard of a magazine catch breaking. It got me thinking about the other MIM parts. Now I could have replaced most of the MIM with better parts, but no one makes replacement parts for the series-II safety. I'm not a big believer in deactivating factory safeties, so that was not an option for me. I had outstanding success with my Premier-II (over 50K rounds) so I decided to try a Stinger. So far it has been extremely reliable and accurate.
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Posted: 10/9/2005 8:24:41 AM EDT
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I'd always heard that the ultra compact 1911's were difficult to fire accurately / reliably but never was much interested in them. Awhile back, I got a chance to blast through a couple mags with a used Kimber ultra CDP. I was greatly impressed with that little gun. Very accurate and easy to shoot well with.
Still I think you would be better off going with a fulsize 1911 for your 1st. What I enjoy most about my fulsize 1911's is the awesome accuracy, nice trigger, and lack of recoil. |
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