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Posted: 7/25/2004 11:19:04 PM EDT
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 Practice, practice, practice |
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Posted: 7/25/2004 11:19:14 PM EDT
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I shot low and left with a 1911 until I started loading mags blind with dummy cartridges mixed in.
It was amazing how much I was flinching without realizing it. Never a problem on my other handguns. After that I did a lot of dry fire practice and smoothed it out. I still start getting fliers after long range sessions but for the most part I just punch the center out of the target. Try mixing in the dummy cartridges and I bet you will see your problem. |
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Posted: 7/25/2004 11:49:48 PM EDT
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Word! 
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Posted: 7/26/2004 12:27:15 AM EDT
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Front sight, slowly squeeze the trigger. Make the shot a surprise every time.
Practicing 800 rounds wrong wont get you any better. |
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Posted: 7/26/2004 3:56:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/26/2004 6:54:56 AM EDT
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Next MN shoot we can both make it to I would be happy to try it out for you
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Posted: 7/26/2004 6:55:25 AM EDT
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Has anyone else shot the thing (pro or not)? I can't imagine it missing at 7 yards
 Maybe its the narrow(er) grip profile compared to your XD causing you to 'roll' it when you squeeze the trigger. I don't use slim-line grips and usually add the pearce finger grooves to 1911's which also make the grip slightly wider. Just a thought... |
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Posted: 7/26/2004 7:27:17 AM EDT
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Practice some dry fire. Buy some of the aluminum snap caps and have a shooting buddy load your mags with 1 or 2 along with some loaded rounds. I'm quite sure that you're probably flinching. A .45 ACP will have more blast than a 9mm XD9 and you might have developed a flinch. Even a trashed USGI 1911 will usually shoot at least a 2" group at 7 yds.
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Posted: 7/26/2004 7:59:33 AM EDT
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Just what do your groups look like? ==Bob
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Posted: 7/26/2004 1:52:42 PM EDT
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Print out the sharpshooter.com diagram
Get snap caps and load magazines(if by yourself, mix them in a can with regular ammo & load several mags with eyes closed, shuffle mags & pick one at random) See the jerk/flinch when you get to the snap cap. Confession time, I practiced several weeks my shotgun reloading drill wrong. Was putting too much emphasis on reloading & not getting correct cheek/stock weld when shooting. (Was using snap caps in the house at night). Got to the match & blew the first stage since I shot it exactly like I practiced, I shot it WRONG! and got embarassed by missing knockdown shotgun targets that were 15' away. Lost any chance of placing in the match. Practice doesn't make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect. The 800 rounds is a lot of practice, but was it 'perfect' practice? wganz ¶ |
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Posted: 7/26/2004 2:04:29 PM EDT
[#11]
like a shotgun pattern.  i'll buy the snapcaps..they're pretty spendy at the local shop so i havn't bought any yet.
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Posted: 7/26/2004 4:03:44 PM EDT
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How does it shoot from a good rest? Sandbag it. If it isn't the gun, then you need to practice from a rest and dry fire until you get good groups from the rest. Don't worry about point of impact. Worry about group size. You can adjust the sights anytime. If the gun will not shoot from a rest, let someone else try from the rest and then send it back. I had a colt a long time ago that was the most pathetic pistol I believe I ever owned. The only thing I could hit with it was the ground. Someone came along that wanted to own a 1911 and I let them buy it. good luck.
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Posted: 7/26/2004 4:12:25 PM EDT
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Try shooting it after shooting a fire belching magnum. When the .45 is one of the least explosive guns in your hand, you will do better with it. |
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Posted: 7/26/2004 4:55:22 PM EDT
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This is indicative of looking at your target at the very last second. Follow through with your sight picture. Your front sight should be in focus between your fuzzy rear sight. The target should be a litty fuzzy. When your round goes off, keep your front sight focused, then assess your target. I have a card around here some where, I'll scan it and post it in a while. |
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Posted: 7/26/2004 5:09:20 PM EDT
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Sell it and buy something you can shoot. Sometimes its as simple as ergonomics. I cant hit anything with Hk USPs.
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Posted: 7/27/2004 6:46:57 AM EDT
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Hey!
Here's what an old NRA Master (1911 45's) showed me. I had a SA 1911-A1 loaded with the Novak type sights and this worked on mine. Take a target (bullseye) and post it on a wall ten feet away with a small pushpin. With your pistol unloaded, cock the hammer, take a dime and balance it on your front sight and take whatever shooting stance you normally use. Aim at the center of the target, align the sights, and pull the trigger without dropping the dime. That drill will definitely improve your trigger control. |
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Posted: 7/27/2004 1:56:26 PM EDT
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Don't buy any yet. May have some here at the house. Give me a couple of days to scratch around for them. wganz ¶ |
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Posted: 7/27/2004 2:05:10 PM EDT
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Holy Jeez!
Its a good thing I checked active topics and found this thread before you got hurt. That gun is on the verge of a kaboom! Send it to me for safe disposal. IM for my address.
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Posted: 7/27/2004 4:25:40 PM EDT
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okay, be sure to add $700 for shipping. does not include mags.
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Posted: 7/27/2004 5:35:02 PM EDT
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Er, has no one mentioned simply swapping ammo brands?
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Posted: 7/27/2004 5:51:22 PM EDT
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Im sent.
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Posted: 7/27/2004 5:55:47 PM EDT
[#22]
+1 |
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Posted: 7/27/2004 7:19:08 PM EDT
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At 7 yards I'd have a hard time blaming ammo. Think it could make that much difference? |
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Posted: 7/27/2004 8:12:43 PM EDT
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Simple things first. Check the barrel for lead build up. Use a lead solvent and brush to clean it out. If it still shoots bad for you, find a 1911 guru to try it out for you, or someone with a machine rest. If it still shoots bad in a machine rest or in the hands of a 1911 guru, you might have something out of adjustment and a trip to a gunsmith or back to the factory would be in order. |
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Posted: 7/27/2004 10:34:07 PM EDT
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i have tried a few different brands of ammo. i'm thinking of just selling it. i want a new guitar anyway.
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Posted: 7/27/2004 11:50:57 PM EDT
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Put it in a rest, test it with alot of ammo.
See how well it does when you are removed from the equation. Then, work on your flinch if that's the problem. |
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Posted: 7/27/2004 11:59:55 PM EDT
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Bring it to the next minnesota shoot, Quinlan or myself should be there......remember practice, I have a feeling you are jerking the trigger, it is not the ammo
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Posted: 7/28/2004 3:04:45 AM EDT
[#28]
You look through the open eye!!!
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Posted: 8/1/2004 7:14:04 AM EDT
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Yepper, got a G35 that absodamnlutely hates Corbon P'wer Ball. At 10yds and a rest it won't print inside of 10". Give it SPEER Gold Dot and it will print 15 rounds under 4.5" at 25yds bastardized weaver stance. Dave S Had to come back and let you know that my brother, Louis, keeps it under 4.5" @ 25yds.....I can keep all the rounds under 8" @ 25yds. I hate the gd trigger, sending it out for a street carry trigger job from Custom Glock Racing. |
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Posted: 8/1/2004 7:28:45 PM EDT
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I'm having the same problem. I shot Sharpshooter in IDPA with my Glocks, and then I got a 1911 and I'm in Novice. Somehow shooting th 1911 has even screwed up my Glock and Sig shooting now too. So I'm stuck with it and refuse to let this goddamn gun beat me. Of course, I don't practice as much as I should if I were really serious about it.
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Posted: 8/1/2004 7:33:51 PM EDT
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I haven't shot a classifier yet but with a Glock I keep up with the expert class shooters, with my SIG 220ST I usually keep up with the sharpshooters and only sometimes expert class shooters. I think its because I'm reloading the gun more since it has less rounds than the Glocks. I've noticed that the fastest shooters are almost always SSP division shooters. |
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Posted: 8/1/2004 7:41:23 PM EDT
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I think the ultimate gamer's division is ESP. Single action and 10 rounds in the mag. A tuned CZ or Hipower should clean up with the right indian. |
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Posted: 8/1/2004 7:44:07 PM EDT
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Wow; QC on that stuff must blow. That's not a gun/ammo compatibility issue; that's crappy ammo. |
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Posted: 8/1/2004 8:30:06 PM EDT
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It has shot the same with 5 different LOT# boxes of Pow'R Ball. My carry in the Kimber Custom Eclipse and BHP is Pow'R Ball!!!!!!!!!!!!! Both chew a golf ball size hole @ 25yds from a pistol cradle. The .45ACP Pow'R Ball seems mellow compared to the Golden Sabre +P that I was using. The 9mm Pow'R Ball ain't mellow......ain't mellow, atawl. Dave S |
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Posted: 8/1/2004 10:54:10 PM EDT
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Buy an HK USP and call it good :)
Nah...like everyone else said...practice, practice, and oh yeah....practice. Youll get over the flinching naturally once you put 500+ rounds through the pistol mixed in with some dummy rounds.... |
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Posted: 8/1/2004 11:01:05 PM EDT
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+1 ... stagger your dummy rounds... if poss have someone else load them for you so you dont remember where they are and dont know when they are coming. |
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Posted: 8/4/2004 11:30:20 AM EDT
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Are you using 230gr ammo? If you are sensitive, you might try a box or two of the 185gr swc target ammo for Bullseye shooting. These are only loaded to 750fps or so and have real light recoil. This is the ammo I started my wife with in my 1911. You might also so look into getting a beavertail grip safety installed. This made my 1911 much easier to shoot for me. I would also suggest you have someone of know shooting ability shoot your gun before you get rid of it. Good luck.
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Posted: 8/4/2004 12:22:34 PM EDT
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Yep, I wish you knew someone who shoots .45s too!
Not to be negative but it may just may be a tad too much handgun for you. Like these guys have said sounds like you are subcounciously anticipating the recoil and combine this with your wrist giving out with extended shooting due to recoil and weight. I'd try one last time to go back to the basics before giving up. Dry fire excercise and then convince yourself when it's live fire it's really just dry fire. A good technique is concentrate on the sight picture until all you can think of is the sight picture. The SA should have a nice light trigger with no play so gently squeeze the trigger on the upward wave kind of like a ship in the water. The 1911 is a pretty heavy handgun compared to modern firearm designs. I would suggest you try changing your handgrip from traditional modern (fingers over fingers) to old Mil style (left hand under the mag). This helps support the weight better and the way most of us in the Military were taught when this was the combat sidearm. Let it recoil and take your time resetting the sight picture. You can work on speed later. Good luck. Tj |
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Posted: 8/23/2004 3:53:55 PM EDT
[#39]
shot 50rds today and it seemed to group better... ??? i don't know what i did different but maybe i'll hang on to it for a little while longer.
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Posted: 8/23/2004 7:35:44 PM EDT
[#40]
addakid!
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Posted: 8/23/2004 7:39:26 PM EDT
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Coming in a little late here, but I was having accuracy problems with my 1911.. shooting low left and patterning like a shotgun... then I got my CZ75 in 9mm and shot the piss out of it, and pretty much didn't shoot the 1911 for almost a year. Then recently I loaded up some ammo and went shooting with a buddy. ONLY shot the 1911, paying close attention to my technique and trigger control, and I was shooting it MUCH more accurately.
I'd say, have someone else shoot it, or try to fire it from a rest... then you should be able to see if the GUN is accurate. You've gotten lots of good advice here... take it! |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 3:57:20 AM EDT
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Agreed. Though the next MN shoot I can make it to will likely be in the winter... ...We'll get to work on our 1911 accuracy together because I'm not too used to my new 1911 yet... It bucks a little harder than a .380 ACP! I can STILL shoot it almost just as good as my 380, but I'm slowly developing a light flinch that I have to work out and I'm not used to its point of impact yet. I know dry firing *WILL* get most of the flinch out of a person, but you also need to train to counteract the flinch when there's a Bang. |
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Posted: 8/24/2004 4:08:24 AM EDT
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iNuhBaDNayburhood, i'll most likely be at the princeton mg shoot next month. i'll bring it with even though there aren't really any pistol targets.
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Posted: 8/24/2004 4:21:39 AM EDT
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Sounds good to me! I'm not sure if that's the same weekend as my good friend's wedding though... So I'm not sure if I'll be able to make it. Poor bastard is getting married; At least he's getting married to a total hottie!
I don't need handgun targets... I can just shoot junk out there like everyone else!
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