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Posted: 10/29/2002 5:17:20 AM EDT
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While looking I'd suggest that you check out two other models. Check out the SiG 230/232 and the Bersa Thunder. The Bersa Thunder may be the best bargain going out there right now.
One other that should certainly be on your short list is the Makarov. The Bulgarian Makarovs are cheap and the East German Makarovs are as nice as anything being sold at any price. |
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Posted: 10/29/2002 5:39:37 AM EDT
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I think the Colt Mustang should fit your criteria. I don't know if they have been discontinued or not. The Makarov is a good solid gun about which nothing negative can be said except that it's a little big for a pocket gun.
There is always the Walther PPK and the FEG PA63 as well. |
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Posted: 10/29/2002 6:06:23 AM EDT
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Is the P-32 that bad so you wouldn't even consider it's bigger brother, the P-11?
Out of curiosity, what's up with the P-32? |
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Posted: 10/29/2002 7:38:05 AM EDT
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The P-32 is an awesome gun from a size standpoint and until now was reliable as hell. I am having some failure to extract problems. Usually 2-3 jams per mag. The case comes halfway out of the chamber then the extractor must skip off the rim.
I sent it back to Kel-tec and they replaced a bunch of parts and supposedly test fired it. When I got it back the first round failed ot eject. I was told by thier tech support that I need to put 100 rds thru it to break it in. ??? Maybe the solution is to press on and get the P-32 fixed. ideally the P-32 would be a "summer" gun and I can get a slightly bigger gun for cooler weather carry. |
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Posted: 10/29/2002 11:58:45 AM EDT
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How about a Beretta 9000 in 9mm? I'm not familiar with this weapon myself but it does look rather small but maybe not as small as you would like. Just a thought.
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Posted: 10/29/2002 2:43:44 PM EDT
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Welcome to the club.
Supposedly is right. Mine was missing the slide stop spring the last time I got it back, and if they had test fired it, they would have noticed that. Also, it was as clean as it was when I sent it in. They didn't test fire mine, even after promising to do so.z |
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Posted: 10/29/2002 3:01:41 PM EDT
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I have a Colt Mustang. It is no longer in production but is widely available on the used gun market. Prices seem a little high in my opinion.
It is a small .380 that is very similar to a 1911, but with no grip safety. It's a nice little gun and at close range shoots a nice group very quickly, but I have two gripes with it as a carry gun. 1. I don't trust .380 to stop a fight, I don't doubt it'll kill someone and I know the european cops carried them for years, but I just don't think it's enough to be trustworthy at stopping a fight-I think .380 falls into the "better than nothing" category like .32 and .25. I prefer at least a .38 special or 9mm 2. The Mustang is single action, so you either have to carry it cocked and locked in a pocket holster (which I think it was what you would have to end up doing and I have tested it empty with a Don Hume pocket holster and couldn't get it to accidently go off) or you have to work the action before using it. Colt also made a double action of the same pistol called the Pony, I believe. Either gun would be better in the airweight, or whatever they call the aluminum frame model. My steel one pulls on my pants too much. There is supposedly an excellent pistolsmith that works on Mustangs and Ponys, but I can never remember the name, except that he's scottish. I don't have any experience with the Colt Pocket Nine, but I'd be tempted to gamble on one and see how it works if it's small enough for you to comfortable carry it. |
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Posted: 10/29/2002 3:30:18 PM EDT
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Not a real fan of toy auto's. I like the big frames and extra capacity clips. I have many friends who are cops and they find the small calibers, .22/.25/.32/.380, to be not that effective. I took my cue from them and for a hide gun and, back when I needed to carry, I carried .38 snub police special. Would recommend S&W or Charter Arms both have blocks on the hammer so if you drop it you won't blow a hole in your leg. Soft sweade clip holster down the back. "I'm getting my wallet. Don't shoot.." BAMMMMMM!
Carry guns have two purposes, intimidate or exterminate. The smaller auto's have issues doing either. The average mugger has had more small frame .25s pointed at them than Carter has liver pills and regardless if it's a .380 the impression is .25. Had an HPD buddy shot three times in the chest with .25 and kicked the assalants ass for doing it. .38 Snub intimidates and loaded with siver jackets can really get the job done if needed. Couldn't talk you into a good full frame 9mm or .45, huh? |
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Posted: 10/30/2002 5:54:19 AM EDT
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I generaly have 2 types of carry situations.
One type is general carry, just to have it in case. In this case I am usually in low risk environments and want something that wont be noticed as I go about everyday tasks. I had my Kel tec for that. A .32 is better than nothing. The other situation is if I am going to an area that are not that friendly. In this case I don't mind being hampered by a bigger gun. I have a Taurus PT-111 in 9mm, which isn't too big and shoots quite well. I use that if I am going to a "seedy" area. I guess I am looking for something in the middle. |
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Posted: 10/30/2002 5:29:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/2/2002 11:48:21 PM EDT
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CJK440, if you buy good leather (belt and holster) you shouldn't have a problem carrying a handgun. I can carry a full sized 1911A1 or smaller handgun all day without it being a hassle. I wear mostly loose polo shirts etc. or a sweat shirt/sweater in cool weather. The best bang for the buck in a slightly larger caliber handgun is a Makarov. How would I carry it? I have a Dillon IWB that works well.
Another option for you might well be a S&W air weight in 38 Special. You could use an Uncle Mike;s pocket holster and hardly notice it. Remember what has been said: "Carrying a handgun isn't meant to be comfortable only comforting." What do I regularly carry? In warm weather I carry a Stainless Kahr K9 and in the cold a S&W Model 457. They work for me. Best and regards, Richard |
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