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Thanks OP. I enjoyed the write up. As in your situation, my first carry gun for work was a Sig 226. $450. new in 1985. Several others during the proceeding years up to retirement in 2002. No clunkers and a few favorites.
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Interesting. I am surprised at how many different duty firearms you have gone through.
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Most excellent write up. My happiest moment as a LEO was retiring after 25 years and never having had to fire a gun for “real” while working. That did not stop the changes that went like this: —EOD 1975— M10 issued 4” pencil barrel (standard gun) M67 personally owned 4” (most accurate revolver ever shot) M66 personally owned SQ butt 4” (Davis from California)(Gutted and rebuilt three times now at 87,000 rounds) M66 personally owned RB butt 4” (Davis from California) Gold Cup NM 1911 personally owned (the good old Colt days. Roy Baker pancake on right hip, double mags on left, balanced, hit anything you could see.) M60 personally owned (zeroed by agency armorers to hit center) 6906 personally owned (trigger reset system kept breaking spring, finally repaired and sold. Neat for day with 17 round aftermarket mags.) 4506 personally owned (feed, fire, eject failures, replaced with same by S&W) 4506 personally owned (feed, fire, eject failures, replaced with same by S&W) 4506 personally owned (only worked dirty. If clean, first few rounds stuck in chamber, then failures to eject. Full refund, gun, dozen mags, leather.) 1076 issued Custom Shop decocker (Shot once to qual, a heavy clunk, not a .45, turned back in, all agency issued 1076’s junked at about 2000 rounds) P220 personally owned (frame broke, replaced by SIG) P220 personally owned (worked only with one specific COAL spec ammo, but worked 100% with that lot of 230 HydraShok.) M13 issued 3” RB (perfect revolver for CCW. Had to turn in for GSA to destroy.) G22 personally owned Gen2 (Perfection) G22 issued Gen2 (Perfection) —KMA 2000— The 4 four digit Smith autos were the worst junk that either broke or refused to work with factory ammo. The first P220 was of the era when the frames broke at about 2000 rounds and only worked with specific lots of Fed HydraShok 230 HP of an exact spec length. All the others were flawless and all were only used with issued ammo. My own G22-2 has been running 23 years of 500-1000 rounds a year and is yet to malfunction in any manner. (Springs and little parts replaced as an Armorer would do periodically including magazines.) |
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Smith model 64 .38 special
glock 23 (gen 2) glock 23 (gen4) glock 19 (gen4) I retired after 30 years. The glock 19 went home with me. Not a glock fan by no means but I can shoot them and shoot very well. I hope that in the future, departments will have the foresight to get their officers the equipment they need before they need it. |
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More and less than several here...
S&W 681 Beretta 92 Glock 22 Glock 17 XD-45 and about to transition to a Sig P226 9mm |
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Nice. I start part time in 89. S&W 66. Then hired full time in 94; Sig P226 with K cote. No Glocks were allowed...yet.
Then Glock 22 followed by a Glock 35. A final switch was to the Glock 21. I went from a gen 3, to a gen 3 21SF RTF and have carried it since... |
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Nice write up. Over my 10 years I only had 4 duty weapons. Five if you count the Winchester Defender 12 gauge. When I worked out in the boonies I’d carry a duty weapon, 2 back ups, and the 12 gauge. There were times when I was the only officer on the east side of the county. Back up was a long way away.
Duty Weapons S&W 686 .357 magnum Colt Government Model series 70 .45 ACP Beretta 92f 9mm Glock 22 .40 S&W Back up/off duty S&W model 60 .38 special Walter PPK/s .380 (Interarms) Mauser HSc .380 Beretta 950bs .25 acp (3rd back up/Hail Mary.) S&W model 10 .38 special, 4” barrel. (Rode in a shoulder holster under my jacket in the winter.) |
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My department issued duty guns were rather simple.
GLOCK Gen 2 G17 GLOCK Gen 3 G22 GLOCK Gen 3 G37 GLOCK Gen 3 G21 GLOCK Gen 3 G22 GLOCK Gen 3 G23 GLOCK Gen 4 G19 GLOCK Gen 4 G17 |
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Congrats on thirty years. My fulltime career started in 1991 as well. Retired after 28. I have my first issued P226 issued in 1991 and my last duty pistol a Glock G4 22. Had a couple in between but didn't keep them, P226 in .40 and a Springfield XDM 40 (hated that one). Yes my PD issued the Springfield for a short time.
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Getting ready to start year 25.... issued gun has been Glock 22 until a couple years ago when we went to G17
I’ve worked in plain clothes about 19 of it and our list of authorized guns is pretty open as long as it’s quality. I’ve carried several models from S&W 3913, 3953, 6906, 4506, 4043, J-K-L frame revolvers, Shield 9 Sig Sauer P230, P228, P229, P220 ( loved the P220) HK USP40, USP45, USP40 Compact Beretta 84, 92 All the Glock in 9, 40, 357sig, 45 and 10mm Sold most of them off over the years. Now I’m mainly a Glock guy but still love Smith revolvers and a bunch of 1911s |
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Great write up OP and a nice break from the doom and gloom posts. Thanks and congrats
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Saved this earlier to read it, just finished. Really enjoyed reading that! Thanks OP!
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I began my LE career with a Gen 3 G17 (which I still have), then tried the H&K VP9, and I'm currently on the M&P9 2.0 with RMR. My love for the M&Ps is akin to bub75's experience. Fits the hand great, points naturally, great trigger, shoots flat, but man oh man does that grip texture chew up shirt sleeves!
Sadly, I am returning back to the fold of Glock for a myriad of reasons (mostly department policy and logistical reasons). I have a Gen 5 G17 with an RMR I need to qualify with and a G45 at ATEi getting dressed with an RMR right now. My original Gen 3 G17 has been kept on Honor Guard duty because it fits the holster. My wife has a Gen 3 G19 and her CCW is a G43. My woods gun is a Gen 4 G20. Once I make the switch to Glock, I'll trade off my two M&P Shields for a G48 for off-duty. May as well streamline my entire pistol platform. I'll still keep one of my M&Ps with the RMR tho. |
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Quoted: Duty sidearm #2, Glock 21 https://i.imgur.com/xAUGN0N.jpg My pic, my gun This is a very early, 2nd Gen G21, serial number AEVxxx. Either the very first batch or batch #2 that were imported, per Glock. After I got it and actually started shooting it, I loved it. Accurate and reliable. Even though it is a BIG gun, I have big hands and it also fit me well. By the time I semi-retired it, it had over 50,000 rds through it with no malfunctions that weren't ammunition problems, like poorly sized cases when I started reloading pistol ammo. I carried this pistol for 18 years, with only a couple of breaks, detailed below. It always worked and never rusted or corroded, even after being caught out in downpours several times, falling om ice and having the holster and gun packed with snow, etc.. Mags were cheap and readily available, at first, anyway. I carried it through a lot of bad stuff and felt very well protected by it. I carried it to firearms instructor training in the mid '90's and got perfect scores every time I shot the qual course, the only one in my class to do so. View Quote Here's my G21 Gen 2 with earlier serial number, came with adjustable sight. Never sent it in for the 6 part upgrade. Shot it twice last month, total of 40 mags through it. I still have the original barrel but also this KKM barrel as seen in the pic. Great gun! |
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Wow some of you have had a bunch of issued pistols. For me all agency issued:
1994 issued a Glock 17 1998 moved to another department and issued a HK P7M13 2005 transitioned to a HK P2000 in 40 2015 transitioned to a Sig P320 David |
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Quoted: Wow some of you have had a bunch of issued pistols. For me all agency issued: 1994 issued a Glock 17 1998 moved to another department and issued a HK P7M13 2005 transitioned to a HK P2000 in 40 2015 transitioned to a Sig P320 David View Quote Its not so much that people, including me, in the last century era of replacing revolvers, wanted different pistols in the later 1980’s into 1997. The issue is that I went through 7 standard factory issue semi auto pistols in between my Colt Gold Cup and a Glock 22 in 1997, both of which never ever malfunctioned. The in betweens were a mess. The Colt was a smiled upon as OK non-authorized pistol for two years in the 1970’s until banned when a secretary got hit with a ND by a moron agent. Then high grade revolvers were a constant randomly interrupted with seven semi autos until 1997. That’s when the Glock 22 .40S&W was the first pistol that worked all the time every time that was authorized. (There were SIG P226’s but I never got one.) People whistfully remember S&W four digit autos as good guns and collect them today, but in real use they did not last and had all sorts of malf/dependability problems and law suits (threatened) by agencies. If you subtract the Smith autos and P220s, my list is short(er). |
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in 1984 at the beginning of my career, Colt or S&W revolvers were the only authorized guns.
I went to a different department in 1988, Sig p220 I went to another department in 1997, was issued a G17, but never could warm up to it. I went back to my p220. Later I obtained a p226, and used that same gun in .357 Sig, and .40 S&W. I retired in 2011 with a p226 in 9mm. I worked for a few years part time at a small department after that. I ended up with the perfect duty gun, a P229 in 9mm with E2 grips and a standard reach trigger. It is still my favorite. |
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I began my LE as an Aux Deputy 1976, carried a S&W 39-2. Hired on small local PD carried 39-2 or model 65 4”. Hired different small PD in 1977 carried model 66 4” for eleven years.
Hired as Trooper in 1988 issued a model 439 then following. 6904 (just a few months) 1990 5904 till 2000 Glock 22.3 (x2) Retired 2009 bought my duty Glock 22 Worked part time for local SO’s and PD’s till 2013 carried Glock 22.3 In 35+ years carried several Off Duty and plain Clothes These were carried the most. Model 39-2 Model 60 Walther PPKs Colt Combat Commander Detonics 45 CM Walther PPK S&W 3913 Glock 27 Today I carry a Glock 43 the most, in hot summer I carry a Glock 42 and a Glock 48 if I’m in the mood. |
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Quoted: Interesting. I am surprised at how many different duty firearms you have gone through. View Quote You think that's a lot, when I get time, I'll list the backup/off duty guns. There have been so many that I can't even remember what order they came in. EASILY 15, maybe 20 guns. Except for the period of time when we were mandated to carry the G22, we actually have a pretty liberal firearms policy. Quality manufacturer, has to have a quality duty holster available, calibers 9mm, .40 or .45 (add .38+P and .380 for backup/off duty) and approved by the firearms instructor, namely me. The only real "hard no" things are no SAO, no Magnum calibers and, in the past few years, no revolvers for duty use. Myself, I prefer to carry a personally owned gun and urge all my guys to do the same, if they choose to do so. Personally owned guns are usually much better cared for and the guys tend to actually shoot them once in a while. You have to remember, for most cops, the guns they deal with are simply there as part of the job. They aren't gun guys at all. Hell, some of them can't even tell you what they carry, only that they carry a Glock. For some, they even refuse to shoot off duty and only shoot when the Dept provides ammo and pays them. The gun is simply another part of their uniform, similar to handcuffs or a shirt. Most of those kind of Officers find it difficult to qualify, but as long as they make the magic 80%, they just don't care. |
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Thanks for the kind words, all. As an instructor, I tend to drone on at times. As I was typing this post, I thought it would go one of two ways- either it would be well liked, or it would quickly fall down the pages of the sub-category and into obscurity because no one wanted to read the novel I wrote.
In a few days, when I have time, as I said I'll do a write up on all the backup/off duty guns I have carried. It will be a LONG post, longer than this one, because there have been a LOT of them. |
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Quoted: Thanks for the kind words, all. As an instructor, I tend to drone on at times. As I was typing this post, I thought it would go one of two ways- either it would be well liked, or it would quickly fall down the pages of the sub-category and into obscurity because no one wanted to read the novel I wrote. In a few days, when I have time, as I said I'll do a write up on all the backup/off duty guns I have carried. It will be a LONG post, longer than this one, because there have been a LOT of them. View Quote Very much looking forward to this |
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Great read, your experience kind of mirrors mine started in 1991 with a Ruger P89DC. I dreamed of upgrading for about 2 years and finally got a sig P220 which was great. Then 1911's for a few years. Then mainly Glocks with an H&K thrown in for good measure and a Browning HP practical model dual tone. About 8 years ago my PD started the best practices crap which cut personal weapons and we issued Sig P229's, had those for a few years and now have Glock Gen4 model 22 which is much better. Most likely my last duty weapon with this agency till I move on.
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This is a great post!
Really interesting to hear this sort of story from someone who carried a gun daily and is a “gun guy”. I’d be interested to hear the full story on Off Duty guns and BUGs. And yes, the M&P 2.0 grip texture feels awesome on the range but at times acts like you’re also carrying a belt sander on your belt. |
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Quoted: Most excellent write up. My happiest moment as a LEO was retiring after 25 years and never having had to fire a gun for “real” while working. That did not stop the changes that went like this: —EOD 1975— M10 issued 4” pencil barrel (standard gun) M67 personally owned 4” (most accurate revolver ever shot) M66 personally owned SQ butt 4” (Davis from California)(Gutted and rebuilt three times now at 87,000 rounds) M66 personally owned RB butt 4” (Davis from California) Gold Cup NM 1911 personally owned (the good old Colt days. Roy Baker pancake on right hip, double mags on left, balanced, hit anything you could see.) M60 personally owned (zeroed by agency armorers to hit center) 6906 personally owned (trigger reset system kept breaking spring, finally repaired and sold. Neat for day with 17 round aftermarket mags.) 4506 personally owned (feed, fire, eject failures, replaced with same by S&W) 4506 personally owned (feed, fire, eject failures, replaced with same by S&W) 4506 personally owned (only worked dirty. If clean, first few rounds stuck in chamber, then failures to eject. Full refund, gun, dozen mags, leather.) 1076 issued Custom Shop decocker (Shot once to qual, a heavy clunk, not a .45, turned back in, all agency issued guns junked at about 2000 rounds) P220 personally owned (frame broke, replaced by SIG) P220 personally owned (worked only with one specific COAL spec ammo, but worked 100% with that lot of 230 HydraShok.) M13 issued 3” RB (perfect revolver for CCW. Had to turn in for GSA to destroy.) G22 personally owned Gen2 (Perfection) G22 issued Gen2 (Perfection) —KMA 2000— The 4 four digit Smith autos were the worst junk that either broke or refused to work with factory ammo. The first P220 was of the era when the frames broke at about 2000 rounds and only worked with specific lots of Fed HydraShok 230 HP of an exact spec length. All the others were flawless and all were only used with issued ammo. My own G22-2 has been running 23 years of 500-1000 rounds a year and is yet to malfunction in any manner. (Springs and little parts replaced as an Armorer would do periodically including magazines.) View Quote Interesting |
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Quoted: Interesting View Quote This is interesting because when I came in the job, there were a lot of S&W 59xx guns in the duty holsters of old timers that started in the '90s. A few years ago, we were able to get two old timers to embrace newer guns; one a Gen 3 G19 and the other a M&P9 2.0. There are still two or three 5906s in the wild. I don't remember ANY malfunction issues with any of them (though LSA has waaaay more time on the job than most and this would have seen more). I think the 3rd Gen S&Ws also had reputation for being able to feed empty cases... |
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In 1984, I borrowed a Dan Wesson Model 15 with a 6 inch VH barrel to go to work
By the time I went to the academy, I had purchased a S&W 586 4 inch In 1988, I was working for a state agency, we had s&w 686s In 1993, I went to work for a state college, S&W 66s loaded with 38 +p lol About 1996, we went to HK USP 40s, mod 1 and 2 In 1999, we moved to the west part of the state and i was issued a S&W 4506 In 2001, I started what would be my final 17 years with the sheriffs office Thankfully up until the last two years, deputies furnished their own duty handguns First I bought my own 4506 Due to the weight, it was replaced with a BHP 9mm in 2002 Between then and 2016, it was usually the BHP. I did carry a Springfield LW govt and then a Springfield XD for a bit Before returning to the BHP, which I carried off duty most of the time anyway In 2016, the new sheriff decided we all needed Glock 17s (insert GROAN) For two years I was blessed with plastic perfection And shock shock, they have issues too |
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Great post OP. Would like to hear about interesting tales of on the job as well. Not sure what forum that would go in however.
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1985 Model 49 S&W .38, personally owned, bought when I was an investigator for a District Attorney's office.
1988 - S&W 6906 - issued to me by the state. Piece of junl jam a matic. 1988 Model 13, .357 Magnum - issued to me by by my first federal agency. Great gun. Six shots. 1988 Sig P226 - personally owned, bought through my work for $485 (I think). Very accurate. Still have it somewhere. Later had it nickel plated to fight rust from carrying in IWB in humid climates. 1991 Glock 17 - issued by my second federal agency. 1993 - Glock 19 - issued by my second federal agency (swapped for the G17) 1994 - Sig P228 - issued by my second federal agency. Loved it although it got rust on it from carrying it. 1994 - Sig P239 (9mm) personally owned, carried as backup and off duty gun. 1994 - Sig P220 - Personally owned, carried for a while. Quit because I was the only one in the office with a 45, and the range officer kept forgetting to bring .45 ammo to quals for me. 2001 - Glock 22 - issued by my second agency when we transitioned to .40 2009 - Pig P229 - issued by my second agency, gun I had when I retired from second federal agency. 2011 - Sig P239 - personally owned, carried at my state agency retirement investigator job. 2015 - Retired for good. Now carry a S&W 380 on me and a Glock 19 in my vehicle. |
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Quoted: This is interesting because when I came in the job, there were a lot of S&W 59xx guns in the duty holsters of old timers that started in the '90s. A few years ago, we were able to get two old timers to embrace newer guns; one a Gen 3 G19 and the other a M&P9 2.0. There are still two or three 5906s in the wild. I don't remember ANY malfunction issues with any of them (though LSA has waaaay more time on the job than most and this would have seen more). I think the 3rd Gen S&Ws also had reputation for being able to feed empty cases... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Interesting This is interesting because when I came in the job, there were a lot of S&W 59xx guns in the duty holsters of old timers that started in the '90s. A few years ago, we were able to get two old timers to embrace newer guns; one a Gen 3 G19 and the other a M&P9 2.0. There are still two or three 5906s in the wild. I don't remember ANY malfunction issues with any of them (though LSA has waaaay more time on the job than most and this would have seen more). I think the 3rd Gen S&Ws also had reputation for being able to feed empty cases... Better to keep Bub’s thread to Bub’s topic, but a few short things: -the few older blue Smith autos were blue 459's in the offices and worked fairly well, but SWAT shot them to pieces. They were before the four digit guns. (Edited) -the side lever decocker 10mm 1076’s were a total failure. The 2000 production line guns were bad out of the box. The 2000 Custom Shop replacement guns started to exhibit all the same defects after a couple years of 1000 rounds a year. That mess is well documented in history. -in that era, Smith engineering the first 4506 produced was a new .45 acp design. The second version was a 10mm version modified to a .45acp version. The third version gun was a second re-design specifically to be a .45acp. It was so under sprung it would be called a .45EZ today, opened way too fast, and would not work until dirty enough to slow opening. -the real problem was exemplified by the Smith federal sales rep screaming at me one day that: Most people buy the guns, shoot them fifty rounds, and put them away in a drawer. Cops qualify once or twice a year and don’t shoot. You feds shoot the guns to pieces and then want them replaced for free. We were not friends. I had the only one in the Division as soon as approvable for carry. Maybe I was a beta tester. -we all should appreciate the near perfection of most Glocks. But I note carrying a MP9 2.0 3.6” at the moment because the 2.0 series is an even easier to shoot well just as dependable gun today representing the fifth generation duty Smith. I use what works best and easiest. |
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Quoted: Better to keep Bub’s thread to Bub’s topic, but a few short things: -the few blue 590X guns in the offices worked better and longer, but SWAT shot them to pieces. -the side lever decocker 10mm 1076’s were a total failure. The 2000 production line guns were bad out of the box. The 2000 Custom Shop replacement guns started to exhibit all the same defects after a couple years of 1000 rounds a year. That mess is well documented in history. -in that era, Smith engineering the first 4506 produced was a new .45 acp design. The second version was a 10mm version modified to a .45acp version. The third version gun was a second re-design specifically to be a .45acp. It was so under sprung it would be called a .45EZ today, opened way too fast, and would not work until dirty enough to slow opening. -the real problem was exemplified by the Smith federal sales rep screaming at me one day that: Most people buy the guns, shoot them fifty rounds, and put them away in a drawer. Cops qualify once or twice a year and don’t shoot. You feds shoot the guns to pieces and then want them replaced for free. We were not friends. I had the only one in the Division as soon as approvable for carry. Maybe I was a beta tester. View Quote The FBI gave up on the 1076's pretty fast. Not John Hall's best idea ever. They were issuing them in 1991, for sure, but not for long. They went to P228's that year, I'm pretty sure. On the plus side, when they actually fired, they were pretty accurate. There was a shooting with one (maybe the only one) where a brand new agent shot a guy off a fence, at 75 yards, who was shooting at him and couple of other agents, who were shocked that he actually hit him that far away. I think that was in late 1990 if I remember right. |
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Quoted: The FBI gave up on the 1076's pretty fast. Not John Hall's best idea ever. They were issuing them in 1991, for sure, but not for long. They went to P228's that year, I'm pretty sure. On the plus side, when they actually fired, they were pretty accurate. There was a shooting with one (maybe the only one) where a brand new agent shot a guy off a fence, at 75 yards, who was shooting at him and couple of other agents, who were shocked that he actually hit him that far away. I think that was in late 1990 if I remember right. View Quote The 228?, some SIG 9mm, was the only thing available in any manufacture’s supply chain for an instant bulk order. John H. was my training school constitutional law instructor and him later becoming the agencies head firearms guy was perhaps not the best idea ever. In fairness, chaos abounded. The career firearms people at Quantico became detached from street agent reality. The real rub was the constant infighting tension between the boomers who wanted a .45 macho man gun and the trainers who wanted a 9mm pussy cat so they could train women, non-shooters, dis-interested in guns accountants, and others for whom a .45 was scary. The 10mm FedLite Federal loading was the compromise, however unwise. Few boat anchor weight 1076’s were ever carried. They just showed up on the eight qual days per year. 1997 ushered in the Glock 40’s in 23/22 versions, but even then wisely with a 950fps 165 grain HydraShok loading with no more noticeable recoil than a 9mm. That fell apart in the 200X era when they started buying full power .40. Training deteriorated. Note that today, the trainers won with Glock 19/17 issue Gen5 guns. (Keeping up with all the changes in an effort to be well armed taught me to shoot anything with a trigger, but was expensive and frustrating. The SIG P220 was an improvement and the Glock 22’s heaven.) Again, thank Glock for providing guns that work for LEOs. |
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Quoted: Wow some of you have had a bunch of issued pistols. For me all agency issued: 1994 issued a Glock 17 1998 moved to another department and issued a HK P7M13 2005 transitioned to a HK P2000 in 40 2015 transitioned to a Sig P320 David View Quote They still have them stored somewhere or did they sell them off??? @dwhitehorne |
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Quoted: Better to keep Bub’s thread to Bub’s topic, but a few short things: -the few blue 590X guns in the offices worked better and longer, but SWAT shot them to pieces. -the side lever decocker 10mm 1076’s were a total failure. The 2000 production line guns were bad out of the box. The 2000 Custom Shop replacement guns started to exhibit all the same defects after a couple years of 1000 rounds a year. That mess is well documented in history. -in that era, Smith engineering the first 4506 produced was a new .45 acp design. The second version was a 10mm version modified to a .45acp version. The third version gun was a second re-design specifically to be a .45acp. It was so under sprung it would be called a .45EZ today, opened way too fast, and would not work until dirty enough to slow opening. -the real problem was exemplified by the Smith federal sales rep screaming at me one day that: Most people buy the guns, shoot them fifty rounds, and put them away in a drawer. Cops qualify once or twice a year and don’t shoot. You feds shoot the guns to pieces and then want them replaced for free. We were not friends. I had the only one in the Division as soon as approvable for carry. Maybe I was a beta tester. -we all should appreciate the near perfection of most Glocks. But I note carrying a MP9 2.0 3.6” at the moment because the 2.0 series is an even easier to shoot well just as dependable gun today representing the fifth generation duty Smith. I use what works best and easiest. View Quote LSA, have at it. That's the purpose of discussion forms, to discuss things. If it drifts a little OT, not a big deal. While I will preface this by saying that ours weren't really high mileage, my PD did issue 5906s for quite a few years (if you wanted an issued gun) and quite a few carried them. We never had any issues with them at all. Load mag with ammo, insert mag, rack slide, press trigger till slide locked back, reload, repeat. Not the most accurate guns out there, but plenty accurate enough for our uses and the skills of those carrying them. Aside from being a heavy boat anchor because of the stainless frame, I liked the one I carried for a little while. |
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I forgot to add what you got if you wanted an issued gun. When I started, there was a mish mash. One was still carrying a S&W M66-2 revolver that he had been issued when he started in the mid 1970's (he finally retired in the early 2010's and, at my urging, was presented with the M66 at his retirement party). A couple had ancient 1st Gen G17s that the then Chief bought because the Glock rep sold them to the PD dirt cheap. They had 2 letter serial prefixes (I bought one later, serial number CC***). The current issue when I started was the 5906.
A few years after, issued guns switched to the Beretta 92FS, again because the PD supply place the Chief usually dealt with gave him a good deal on them, not because he knew if they were good or bad. A few carried them, most carried personally owned guns, mostly some variation of 9mm Glock, 17 or 19. The Berettas lasted till the then Chief decided we would go to Gen4 G22s. The PD sold the Berettas and miscellaneous older issued guns off and I got a pretty much unissued one with dead night sights and 6 mags, along with the above mentioned G17. Current issued gun, if you want one, is the Gen4 G22. Most carry them, some issued and some personally owned. Come to think of it, the current Chief, one of the part timers and I are the only ones now that carried something other than a .40 Glock. I carry my M&P 2.0 in 9mm, the Chief carries a personally owned, older 3rd Gen G17 and the part timer carries an old M&P in .40. |
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Quoted: Interesting. I am surprised at how many different duty firearms you have gone through. View Quote LOL..my time in sworn LE was less than half Op's and i racked up a few. All of these were primary weapons on my firearms card. City PD with a very open policy for personally owned duty weapons: sw686 BHP40 Colt Officers Enhanced Briley Versatility .45 (commander sized) G27 Beretta 96G Elite State agency issued: G19 ETA: All were solid except the Colt, it was a flaming pile of excrement. |
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Almost 25 years, pretty boring, not counting 1911 as an MP.
Two pistols: Glock 22 gen2 Iirc, 16 or 17 years on the road. Extractor sheared the claw off during the academy. Trigger pin iirc broke in two about ten years in. Finally some of the frame rails were cracking across the department. Mine was just started with cracking. Glock replaced them all with gen4 Glock 22 gen4, came with NY trigger but after a few months they were parts swapped to regular springs. planning on turning it in this Spring or Summer. Authorized backup was a kahr mk40 and a cz P07. |
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Up above I mentioned 590X. Error: We never had them and that is a number error. I edited this in up above once I realized it was a wrong number:
"-the few older blue Smith autos were blue 459's in the offices and worked fairly well, but SWAT shot them to pieces. They were before the four digit guns. (Edited)" We never had four digit Smith 9mm guns issued. Sorry, It was only 40 years ago and piecing together chronology takes some thinking. Talking about transitions, the 459s were so old and so few issued they were not memorable and I never had one. Just relics. |
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Between agency owned and personal in 35 years (some assignments included several guns issued or assigned):
SW 686, SW 625, Colt 1911, SW 4516 and 5926 (short lived attempt at agency issue-shitty Smiths), Sig P220, Glock 17, 22 and 35, the last 10 years ran what 1911 was clean in case of inspection, to include Warrior, DW Specialist and STI Maurader. Carried various back ups. Walter PPK, Colt Officers, Mustangs and Pony and SW Nickel Chief. Long guns: SW 3000, Rem 870s several tricked out for SWAT, MP5s, McMillan 308, Colt 933 Commando, and Several different ARs of varying barrel length and optic combos. |
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Quoted: They still have them stored somewhere or did they sell them off??? @dwhitehorne View Quote I was the Firearms Sergeant from 2010 until I retired 9 months ago. We had completely transitioned to the P2000 by then. I kept three M13's (one is a sims gun) three M8's and three K3's. 700 total were destroyed. Such a waste but those were just some of many I had to destroy. Feds are required to destroy weapons and can not trade in/sell for new equipment. David |
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