Originally Posted By pebble:


I think Appendix carry holsters allow you to conceal the largest weapons so that doesn’t surprise me. I’ve tried it, but did not find it comfortable. I like to be able to wear my belt a little bit looser than works with a wing.

After trying every type of holster under the sun, by far my favorite method of carry is using a techna clip. I find that no extra material just makes the overall package that much thinner, more comfortable and concealable. The techna clip carries it deeper than most holsters which helps to bury the handgrip into my body and not print when I bend over.
I like not having any extra weight. I clip onto my pants under the belt so the clip itself is hidden. I like being able to quickly remove the gun and have no trace of a holster left behind. It keeps it very secure no matter how much jumping or running I do.

If I want to carry one in the chamber, I have a trigger guard that ties into the belt. I don’t like this though because it’s can only be unholstered using a fast draw which makes a snapping sound, and I think it’s equally likely I might want to use a stealthy draw, so I just carry it with an empty chamber.
Where it rides the rmr would be below the waistline, printing, uncomfortable and a snag hazard.

Long story short, what’s best for one person isn’t always best for the other cause we all have different priorities

One more con to the rmr I have noticed though is that my instinct is to present the gun looking down the iron sights. Do this with an rmr and the dot is off the glass. I have to consciously tilt my head up from what feels natural to find the dot. I’ve handed it to some friends and they could not find the dot and handed it back confused. Iron sights will never have that issue. I am sure this can be overcome with training, but in a stressful situation I could see someone not finding the dot and just panicking and shooting without a visible point of aim. With iron sights, the equivalent would be not aligning the front and rear.

Originally Posted By Skin-walker:
Dots look like this what do i do?

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Originally Posted By YoteSlayer69:
I'm more concerned with the lack of Haikus than I am about someone's choice to carry with an empty  chamber...I would have been forced to commit
seppuku for a lesser transgression...
This thread while very informative is beginning to slip again..

As to concealability with a dot...I have hidden handguns on my person longer than many participants in this thread have been alive. The Trijicon RMR on any midsize pistol is no harder to conceal than the full size 1911's or Small revolvers I began carrying in my youth. And call me slow...But I aint wasting the time to rack a round into the chamber for any reason...And I have yet to shoot my pecker off...

Your mileage may vary...And I in no way intend to tell you how to carry...But if you would allow me to share some wisdom..Cheat...Take every possible advantage.

Originally Posted By Skin-walker:
Dots look like this what do i do?

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Originally Posted By feudist:
Look at the target and blaze on. My RMR actually looks better than my Aimpoint.

I'm shooting a streak anyway-anywhere in the window. Pull the trigger and a streak shows the direction of sight lift from the point of shot break.

Watch the streak bounce up and down in .16 splits. Transition to another target in .28/.33 and rip it. All the attention that used to be spent on the sights is

freed up for trigger control.

Originally Posted By pebble:


Well, I agree with your "hint."  if I am caught in an engagement at close range and need to make a quick shot, I'm not going to be focusing on my front site or my micro RDS....I have enough muscle memory that hitting a man sized target at close ranges doesn't require an aiming device.  If I do need to shoot at smaller targets, or targets at a distance, that's when aiming is required, and a red dot will always be faster than irons. That's exactly why I said that the RDS is only advantageous for small targets at a distance.  

Funny you should mention Airsoft as I've been playing airsoft, mostly milsim, for almost 20 years now.  I recently picked up 3gun as well (haven't done either since the pandemic hit though).  I don't participate in either of these sports thinking that it's going to prepare me for real force on force.  I do them only because I enjoy the sport.  Do I learn something from it?  I think yes and no.  I've learned a lot of things that apply, and probably also picked up some bad habits that don't apply.  



I've come to the same conclusion about grip length.  But in my case, the two are related.  I've found that the best way to conceal grip length on my body is by tilting the gun forward which would put the RDS under the belt line.  If I am running a RDS, I can't really do that, and it would force me to expose more of the grip.



Personal defense is a personal choice.  Some people choose not to defend themselves at all.  Other people may choose to carry a micro pistol, and others may choose to carry a full sized pistol with red dot and extra mags, still others may carry a full sized AR on their back.  To each their own.  I choose to carry less because I'm willing to sacrifice defensive capability for comfort, and because I have other more capable options at the ready.  My decision to carry less is in no wan in insult to your decision to carry more.  



I guess your definition of credibility = agreeing with the hive mind.  In that case, yes, I have zero credibility.  Again, the decision to carry, and what to carry, and how to carry it, is really a personal decision that depends on your own perceived risks and tolerances.  Anyone who insists that there is only 1 best way to carry and anyone who does differently is wrong is very close minded.  There are pros and cons to carrying in the chamber.  The pros are that you have +1 capacity and a faster first shot.  The cons are that you need to carry a holster that protects the trigger guard, and a higher risk for AD (obviously, an AD is impossible if you never make an accident, but accidents can and do happen).  I'm not going to push one over the other.  I think everyone should understand the pros and cons, then make a personal decision.



Yes I have.  And I'm faster and more accurate with my RMR than I am with iron sights...and faster than that using my AR's.  Speed and accuracy of target acquisition is not my primary factor when selecting a EDC gun however.  It may be for you, and there's nothing wrong with that.  I just have different priorities I guess.



Not at all.  There are some situations where I may see the threat long before it's in my face, and there are other situations where I don't.  If I do see the threat long before it's coming, then draw speed does not matter.  I'm more concerned about the situations where the threat surprises me...and he pulls a gun before I do.  In this scenario, I'm not going to immediately draw my gun because he's got the advantage.  Sure, with enough training and practice, you may be able to draw, aim and shoot before the bad guy can just shoot, but he starts with an advantage.  My personal preference would not be draw until the threat is either distracted/looking away, or is attempting to disarm me.  There are risks to both approaches, and ultimately your decision of how to react, and how you prepare, is a personal one.  Not everyone has the same strategy, and that's not wrong IMO.

Originally Posted By Henny:


I noticed as I’m getting more on the mature side ( age, not the way I act ) my dot started looking like that when I looked at the dot. With RDS look at the target, keep your head straight up as possible and bring the pistol up to your eye level. On the previous page I have a video that I’m using pretty close to my ideal posture for a clearer sight picture. I was starting to “hunch” a little bit. It was still good enough to put lead on the 90 yard target.

I noticed what when I start to hunch my shoulders up,  bend my neck down to my pistol, which causes me to move my eyes up ( if that makes any sense ) my dot looks more like a semi colon or a coma instead of a dot.

At my age, (55) my dot is never perfect, but it’s good enough, with a little luck thrown in, that I look like I know what I’m doing on occasion.

Originally Posted By Skin-walker:


I think its my eyes. it looks normal if i take a picture of it on a phone.

Originally Posted By eaglecp:
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Originally Posted By eaglecp:
Gracias!

I am still not a fan of the RMR in general. Been trying to love it but I just don't. I really prefer the DPP over the RMR. I just don't believe the durability difference is enough to justify a lack of clarity and small size of window in the RMR and quality of the glass found in the DPP. The DPP is so clear that the "window" or frame around it disappears for me when engaging targets. The RMR...not so much. I have been shooting and abusing both side by side and my personal preference is leaning toward the DPP at this point.
cp

Originally Posted By triburst1:


I can't speak to the durability of the DPP, but it was an instant nope from me because of the ridiculous brightness controls. That's like some shit you'd expect from a $30 Tac Star optic.

Originally Posted By 03RN:


Not a lot of argument arount lpvo 15 years ago. It was a acog vs aimpoint vs eotech.

Eotech = DPP

Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:

Reportedly, with the new DPP-NV they've fixed the reliability issues that have plagued the line.

But I'll need to see how that works out from here on out. I'd like another one bc the VIP pricing is so good, but I need to know url perform.

Originally Posted By Skin-walker:
Dots look like this what do i do?

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Originally Posted By bigern314:
I'm finding that having the dot fucks me up.  I know its lack of reps but it seems like once I'm focusing on that dot everything else goes to shit.  Yet if I take this pistol and use the irons its not that way.  I'm too focused on the dot being perfectly still I think. Too bad ammo is scarce and I can't train like I would like.  So it will remain a safe gun until I get proficient.

Originally Posted By bigern314:
I'm finding that having the dot fucks me up.  I know its lack of reps but it seems like once I'm focusing on that dot everything else goes to shit.  Yet if I take this pistol and use the irons its not that way.  I'm too focused on the dot being perfectly still I think. Too bad ammo is scarce and I can't train like I would like.  So it will remain a safe gun until I get proficient.

Originally Posted By bigern314:
I'm finding that having the dot fucks me up.  I know its lack of reps but it seems like once I'm focusing on that dot everything else goes to shit.  Yet if I take this pistol and use the irons its not that way.  I'm too focused on the dot being perfectly still I think. Too bad ammo is scarce and I can't train like I would like.  So it will remain a safe gun until I get proficient.

Originally Posted By Bradd_D:
Focus on the target not the dot. The movement you're seeing with the dot happens with the irons, too. It just seems exaggerated with the dot because it's a more precise aiming point. If you have strong presentation and start being more target focused instead of front sight focused, the dot is pretty intuitive. Watch some of Sage Dynamics videos on Youtube.

Originally Posted By D-der:


Target focus,
Check out Sage Dynamics videos, utilize conscious practice
and refer back to videos, practice presentations and dry fire
daily, in time the the dot will be there...every time

Originally Posted By Henny:



https://mantisx.com/

I know this has been helping me out. There’s even an ARFCOM group!

Originally Posted By TheBrokePilot:
Without searching through hundreds of posts what is the current consensus on which pistol red dot to get in todays market? I am mainly looking at the type 2 RMR with the 3.25 moa dot vs the Holosun 509t. Getting my slide milled soon and trying to decide. Not worried about the price difference just the closed vs open emitter argument.

Originally Posted By bigern314:
Took the FN509C back to the range yesterday.  

Was just a clusterfuck again.  I try to ignore the dot but for some reason I'm spraying rounds everywhere rather than where they are going if I'm just using irons.  Why this dot fucks me up so much more on a pistol than a rifle, where I have no issues, is really annoying me.

Originally Posted By Fooboy:
I would say after ... if I could only keep 1 and only 1 weapon out of my inventory, it would be this one.

Gen5 19 milled with RMR type 2.

I love my ARs but I can't CCW them. Outside a literal battlefield - an optic pistol fills so many roles and streamlines fast and accurate shooting from close range out to 100Y+.

If you are thinking about making the jump - do it with both feet!

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Originally Posted By DAVE_M:
3rd Annual Battery Change in this optic with over 10k rounds downrange.

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Originally Posted By wickedbeernut:
+1 RISF (Rear Iron Sight Forward)