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Posted: 5/13/2005 9:42:14 AM EDT
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Neither.
Ranger-t's are a better load, and I bought a case (500 rounds) of .40 180 ranger-t's for $150.... |
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Posted: 5/13/2005 9:42:35 AM EDT
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I would stick with the 165 gr bullets. I have carried 165 gr. sxt's and rem golden sabers. The 165 is a good mid weight bullet in the caliber that offers greater velocity than 180gr. You need all the velocity you can get in a handgun. 165 gr is a respectable weight and gives good penetration. You can also have more problems with the 180 grain bullet should you encounter any bullet setback.
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Posted: 5/13/2005 9:43:39 AM EDT
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Neither.
The SXT is not one of the rounds in .40 ammo that meet accepted minimum penetration and expansion standards. I recommend you check out the most recent test results from Dr. Roberts over at Tactical Forums Gold Dots are usually relatively cheap and meet the performance standards. You may want to try those. |
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Posted: 5/13/2005 9:51:49 AM EDT
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I second the motion. Everything I read - every single piece of scientifically valid comparison - points to Gold Dots and ranger-t's as being neck-and-neck in performance. I carry Gold Dots in the .45 - because i got a good supply cheap - and ranger-t's in the .40 and 9mm - because I got a good supply cheap. <---wants the best there is <--not above saving a dollar when i can do so WITHOUT COMPROMISING PERFORMANCE. FWIW, handguns don't need 'all the velocity they can get'. It's a myth. When I carried a .40, at the time I constantly found myself in rural areas, often dispatching stray varmints, and like the slightly flatter trajectory of the lighter bullets, but I finally decided to forget trajectory and go with whatis most reliable under the widest variety of conditions, which is almost always the heavier loads (147/180/230) |
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Posted: 5/13/2005 9:53:50 AM EDT
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I read from Ayoob that sxt's were one of the top choices available.... maybe that was only for 9mm?
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Posted: 5/13/2005 9:58:47 AM EDT
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Ayoob may know a good bit about gun use, but he gets his terminal ballistics info from other gun writers. Ignore his advice and go with what the scientifically valid tests found to work.
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Posted: 5/13/2005 10:00:03 AM EDT
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Pray tell, where might others of us find such a deal? 
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Posted: 5/13/2005 10:12:26 AM EDT
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I always go with the heaviest bullet. They'll always penetrate much deeper and crush through bone better than faster lighter bullets.
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Posted: 5/13/2005 10:18:50 AM EDT
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I'd like to second that. My source recently dried up. |
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Posted: 5/13/2005 11:04:10 AM EDT
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after shooting hogs(under 100lbs), I like the 180's
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Posted: 5/13/2005 1:03:34 PM EDT
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It was a one-time deal. I should have bought more - even though I almost never carry the .40 anymore. (BTW, that was $150 shipped.....) |
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Posted: 5/13/2005 1:16:29 PM EDT
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What about these guys:
www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=847046
well priced but not on your guru's list. ETA: I can't find cheap gold-dots. ETA2: I'm an idiot. I'm comparing boxes of 20 to boxes of 50. d''oh! found gold dots at ammoman for a darned good price. 120 for 500 shipped! |
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Posted: 5/13/2005 1:24:23 PM EDT
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In the last few months you've posted about buying enough guns to start your own army. Cough up the dough for some good ammo.  |
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Posted: 5/13/2005 1:27:58 PM EDT
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I'm on it, I'm on it. April/May was my conversion from carbines to long range gun month. June will be ammo month slash class 3 month.....
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Posted: 5/13/2005 1:54:40 PM EDT
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If you don't mind me asking, why are you looking for so much carry ammo? If your concerned with practice vs. defense rounds then invest in a reloading press and roll your own for half the price or perhaps even less.
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Posted: 5/13/2005 1:58:01 PM EDT
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Ammoman's gold dots are practice - only. They're part of a lot that speer QC rejected for an occassional bad primer. (Look at the pictures on his site...) |
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Posted: 5/13/2005 1:58:58 PM EDT
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A Big +100,000,000 
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Posted: 5/13/2005 2:07:05 PM EDT
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Just a heads up. My department carries the 180 Ranger SXT's. The past few shootings we've had, solid hits were made on the individuals and the bullets did not do their job. The one individual was shot several times, all CM's and was still able to cut another trooper with a chainsaw. At another shooting the ER doctor (Prior to removing any of the bullets from the individual-while looking at the x ray) wanted to know if we were using FMJ's! She said if the rounds were doing their job this guy should have been dead. She could not believe that the bullets were designed to expand!
We've had several other shootings in the past where the rounds performed less than satisfactorily, ie no expansion, multiple hits to stop the person, and at one of these shootings where multiple hits were put on the person a trooper ended up dying (RIP Joseph Sepp) and the assailant ended up living. I realize these examples are not scientific in anyway, it's just that we've had a not so good track record with the 180's. Our union is now pushing for a lighter bullet. |
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Posted: 5/13/2005 2:48:29 PM EDT
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165gr. Speer gold dots thats what I use.
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Posted: 5/13/2005 3:46:30 PM EDT
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+1 |
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Posted: 5/13/2005 4:16:24 PM EDT
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Whoa! What exactly is a ranger sxt? An sxt, or a ranger-t? There IS a difference. (And sorry for your loss....) |
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Posted: 5/13/2005 5:51:59 PM EDT
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What I am referring to as the Ranger SXT is Winchester's RA40SXT. Perhaps I'm calling it the wrong thing, but they are 180 gr rounds that come in the gold and blue box that says "Ranger" on it and the bullet weight is listed on the end flap as 180 SXT. ETA: I just looked at one of the boxes of old ammo I had sitting around. The above is what we use to carry. Now we carry the RA40T load. Sorry for the confusion! I'll look a little closer at the box the next time before I post! I do not believe that Winchester makes the RA40SXT load anymore. It's the one that had the dreaded "black bullet". |
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Posted: 5/14/2005 2:57:40 PM EDT
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Ayoob probably wasn't talking about the curret Supreme SXT cartridge. From what I've gathered, they aren't very good. He was probably talking about the Ranger SXT (a LE load) which has since been superceded by the Ranger T cartridge. I hear people talk about SXT bullets and wonder exactly what they're talking about. There are a couple different Winchester products that have been associated with the SXT name. Some don't compare to each other, some do. I'd like to see a bullet design FAQ (Troy??). Something that clearly describes the lineage of the various handgun defensive hollowpoints. Winchester and Federal (especially) seem to have many people confused as to which cartridges and bullets are which. |
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Posted: 5/20/2005 3:26:59 PM EDT
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I like 155 gold dots.
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