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Posted: 1/9/2005 7:00:25 PM EDT
[#1]
Chambered, hammer back, thumb safety on, This is the only way to carry a 1911
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Posted: 1/9/2005 7:03:46 PM EDT
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Same here |
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Posted: 1/9/2005 7:12:29 PM EDT
[#3]
Cocked and locked. The only way. The gun was designed to be carried that way. Round in chamber, hammer back, and safty on. Thats why they have a grip safty. The newer ones have firing pin blocks just incase you get the urge to throw it on the ground are live in CA.
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Posted: 1/9/2005 7:14:06 PM EDT
[#4]
Empty
Get a different gun - too slow and you arent guaranteed to have the use of your off hand, or have the time if the threat is close Round in chamber hammer down Places the hammer against the firing pin, a drop or inertia dischage waiting to happen - same for guns with firing pin safeties - lowering the hammer overrides the safety. round in chamber, hammer back, safty on The way the 1911 should be carried. Pefectly safe if the gun is mechanically safe and you are using an appropriately constructed holster |
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Posted: 1/9/2005 7:14:33 PM EDT
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+1, badguys aren't typically known for giving you a whole lot of time to prepare. 
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Posted: 1/9/2005 7:17:51 PM EDT
[#6]
Cocked and Locked..................... but it sounds like you need a Sig 220
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Posted: 1/9/2005 7:28:35 PM EDT
[#7]
Well I have a beretta 92fs so I guess it's the beretta's controls I'm used to. I think it's the hammer back thing that has me spooked, though I do like the single action first shot. jim |
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Posted: 1/9/2005 7:29:44 PM EDT
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Its only as scary as you are my friend. If you are a competent gun handler, you have nothing to worry about. |
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Posted: 1/9/2005 7:31:49 PM EDT
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Cocked and locked, if you're uncomfortable with that take your time and get to know the gun before you start carry. A cocked and locked 1911 is not a novice's carry gun. I carry one every day, my P220 stays in the gun locker after work. Some people are 1911 folks and others just aint. Buy one and shoot it, decide which person you are after you get some trigger time.
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Posted: 1/9/2005 7:48:46 PM EDT
[#10]
cocked, locked, ready to rock!
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Posted: 1/9/2005 8:06:14 PM EDT
[#11]
+1 get a holster w/ a strap b/w the hammer and the pin if you are worried too much |
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Posted: 1/9/2005 8:20:52 PM EDT
[#12]
Cocked and locked is the only way to go with a 1911.
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Posted: 1/9/2005 8:29:15 PM EDT
[#13]
Go to cylinder-slide.com (sorry i don't know how to hot link it for you) and look at their Safety Fast System, SFS system. They also have links to the many articles that have been written about it in most of the gun magazines. It allows you to carry your 1911 with the hammer down and the safety on. When you click the safety off, it cocks the hammer and you're ready to go. I have it on my Colt CCO and it is sweeeeet! You won't be sorry.
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Posted: 1/9/2005 8:42:02 PM EDT
[#14]
+1000 |
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Posted: 1/9/2005 8:51:59 PM EDT
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That's just not right.... must be cocked and locked... HAMMER BACK!!! It's like putting cream in your coffee....just not freaking right.... damn,...... I feel dirty for reading this! 
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Posted: 1/9/2005 8:55:32 PM EDT
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I was worried the first time outside of the Army. We carried the 1911 while I was in. I started to carry mine and was apprehensive about it. You get used to it. It becomes second nature. Study some plans and the internal workings and it will help you understand it better.
Really, it's the only way to carry a 1911 if you are serious about it. It is about the safest pistol design out there. If you do your job, it will do its job. |
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Posted: 1/9/2005 9:14:11 PM EDT
[#17]
Some of us are just trying to be a little more............PC...........there! I said it. Yes, it's true.....I'm a closet "girlie man" when it comes to cocked and locked.  
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Posted: 1/9/2005 10:15:40 PM EDT
[#18]
Condition One. Cocked locked and ready to rock. No other way to carry it, as far as I am concerned.
Perfectly safe too. The thumb and grip safeties are engaged and the trigger is covered by the holster. Try this: carry your piece for a week with a loaded mag, empty chamber, but cocked and locked. Hell, cocked and unlocked if you want. On day seven the hammer will still be back. |
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Posted: 1/9/2005 10:20:18 PM EDT
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Check out a Dawoo tri-action pistol, pretty neat system, Sounds similar to what described as Cylinder and Slide reccomendation except that pulling the trigger preps the hammer.
Another option is just use a holster with a thumb-brake strap that goes in front of the hammer, if you are sill scared than perhaps you should switch to pepper spray. |
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Posted: 1/9/2005 10:52:37 PM EDT
[#20]
+1,000,000 |
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Posted: 1/9/2005 10:55:25 PM EDT
[#21]
When I carried it I carried cocked and locked.
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Posted: 1/10/2005 3:20:47 AM EDT
[#22]
There is an alternative safety/hammer mechanism made by a company in Belgium, it is called the SFS trigger system and is sold by Olympic Arms in the USA. It allows you to chamber/cock the pistol and manually push the hammer into a forward position just short of resting on the firing pin. The safety automatically comes on when the hammer is pushed forward, pressing the safety off re-cocks the hammer and it fires like a normal 1911 with whatever trigger pull you had before.
My STI dealer has been carrying one on his CCW .45 for a number of months and using it extensively in practical pistol competition. He has just ordered a bunch more of them to offer to CCW users who want a higher level of safety or 'comfort' than the standard 1911 system. |
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Posted: 1/10/2005 3:47:22 AM EDT
[#23]
A bonus is if you get an itch on your inner forearm, you can scratch it with the cocked hammer.
 
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Posted: 1/10/2005 4:22:32 AM EDT
[#24]
That's just wrong... 
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Posted: 1/10/2005 4:32:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/10/2005 4:38:46 AM EDT
[#26]
I carry one in a duty holster obviously when working in uniform. It positions it perfectly for doing just that. If I've done it once I've done it a thousand times.
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Posted: 1/10/2005 7:13:49 AM EDT
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NexQuietus - Familiarization, practice, training, more training, more practice and more familiarization will eliminate that uncomfortableness.
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Posted: 1/10/2005 7:15:30 AM EDT
[#28]
yep |
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Posted: 1/10/2005 7:18:01 AM EDT
[#29]
Condition One only!
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Posted: 1/10/2005 7:20:05 AM EDT
[#30]
+1 |
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Posted: 1/10/2005 7:24:30 AM EDT
[#31]
+1 for condition 1.
Anything else is dangerous, useless, or some combination of the 2. |
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Posted: 1/10/2005 8:33:40 AM EDT
[#32]
I don’t own a 1911, but I carry my USP Cocked and Locked. If and when I ever do get a 1911 and I ever carry with it, it would be Cocked and Locked.
I work with a guy that also has a CCW, though he keeps his in his car. One night I got back late to the office from an errand for the office (180 miles there and 180 miles back taking a proposal to another city !!) and I showed him my USP since I had talked to him about selling my Walther P99 to buy a USP Tactical and he was interested in seeing it. When I went to reholster it, I left it cocked and locked and he looked at me and said, “you know you still have it cocked right?” I told him that’s how it’s supposed to be carried, just like 1911s and many other pistols. I had to explain that it’s perfectly fine and safe. Anyway I think he believed me. On a related note, I sold my Walther P99 9mm to a great guy I worked with that also had a CCW (though he no longer works here since he's switched employers  ).
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Posted: 1/10/2005 4:34:30 PM EDT
[#33]
this is how i explain it to buddies of mine:
A Glock is carred "cocked and locked" but you just can't see the hammer. and my 1911 is safer than a glock because I HAVE a safety that i can turn off and on, show me the safety on your glock.. they say it's in the trigger thingy.. oh, realy,, so if joe blow picks up a Glock puts his finger on the trigger, pulls it, it will go off right? at least with a thumb safety, there is some kind of manipulation requiered to fire the weapon. I know this is very simplistic, but sometimes you have to be that way with non gun people or people that do not have experiance with the 1911 clones |
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Posted: 1/10/2005 4:39:39 PM EDT
[#34]
Just remember, the ONLY way that weapon will fire, is if the trigger is pulled. As long as you are in control of that weapon, you decide when if goes off. Respect your weapon, but do not fear it. Learn to control it and handle it safely, but comfortably. Being afraid of one will get you or someone else hurt. You can do cartwheels with it, but so long as you are in control, your ok. |
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Posted: 1/10/2005 5:02:00 PM EDT
[#35]
Thanks everyone for the really great input. Looks like I'll have to get some trigger time with my buddies or even pack around one of his spares for a while (by the way are 1911's like ar15's in that if you have one you likely have seven more back home?).
jim |
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Posted: 1/10/2005 5:10:10 PM EDT
[#36]
You (and your bank account) have much to learn. 
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Posted: 1/10/2005 6:32:09 PM EDT
[#37]
so i'm the only guy who carried condition 0?
a 1911 cocked and unlocked has the same # of safeties between it and an ad as a glock. and unlike glock, browning didn't put one of em on the trigger. pull trigger=BOOM! no pull trigger= no boom practice a little trigger discipline |
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Posted: 1/10/2005 9:38:27 PM EDT
[#38]
Thanks folks. The consensus seems to be cocked and locked. I've not carried my 1911 for awhile due to that dilema. I had carried it with nothing in the pipe, also with worry. Have to take the time to rack the slide, if one arm is out I'm screwed, etc. Opted for a wheel gun, hammer down on an empty chamber.
I do believe I'll go for a cocked and locked scenario here on the ranch for a bit and gain some confidence and comfort with that carry. Any opinions on a HP? Considering that there is no grip safety is this an accident waiting to happen? I generally use a Galco shoulder rig that does have a strap between hammer and pin. Sometimes an inside the pants holster. |
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Posted: 1/11/2005 6:24:47 AM EDT
[#39]
I damned sure wouldn't carry a Beretta with the hammer back. There is nothing between your ass and the bullet but a 4 lb trigger pull.
Few guns are designed for carry with the hammer cocked, but rest assured the 1911 is one of them. It was intended to be carried that way from the beginning. There are three systems that have to fail (four if you have a firing pin block) for the round to fire in a 1911: grip safety, thumb safety and sear spring.
All I can say is, be goddamned careful reholstering. Trigger discipline or not accidents happen. |
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Posted: 1/11/2005 12:37:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/11/2005 12:43:58 PM EDT
[#41]
Careful with condition 0. A student at Frontsight several years back legshot himself that way. Reholstering a Gold Cup in a Kydex holster with the safety off was enough to trip the trigger and screw his day up bad.
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Posted: 1/11/2005 1:10:57 PM EDT
[#42]
That's why when you buy a holster you are supposed to verify fit with an unloaded gun before putting it in service. |
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Posted: 1/11/2005 1:12:22 PM EDT
[#43]
Condition1. Condition 0 is just asking for an AD. It does not take any more time to drop the thumb safety when presenting your weapon than drawing with it already off. Condition 2 or 3 is just as bad. paraphrizing from another thread. "If you do not feel comfortable carrying cocked and locked, buy a different gun"
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Posted: 1/11/2005 1:26:34 PM EDT
[#44]
Cocked & locked. I was kinda spooked about it, too at first. But I tinker a lot and after figuring out how the system works it doesn't bother me. Unless something's broken or somebody did a "trigger job" for you, it ain't gonna go off unless you thumb down the safety and press the trigger. Oh - I did have a Kimber once that would drop the hammer into the half-cock notch about half the time when you thumbed off the safety... but that was a Kimber, after all... and that's what the half-cock notch is for. Even Kimber didn't screw up bad enough to make the half-cock notch fail to catch the sear. |
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Posted: 1/11/2005 1:29:01 PM EDT
[#45]
I always carry mine in Condition 1. Cocked and locked is the only way to carry a 1911. After taking mine apart about a hundred times and really getting to know every piece I have no reservations carrying it with the hammer back and the ambi on. Its a great weapon and as safe as the user carrying it.
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Posted: 1/11/2005 1:31:52 PM EDT
[#46]
Forget the SFS system. An SFS-equipped gun will give you the false impression that it's safer than the single-action counterpart, but it's not. SFS is just as much cocked as a single action. Just get a 1911 and be happy!
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Posted: 1/11/2005 1:38:36 PM EDT
[#47]
+1. The SFS is primarily designed to separate money from shooters, little else. |
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Posted: 1/11/2005 1:55:38 PM EDT
[#48]
His problem was that he had been using it cocked and locked, and failed to safe it when holstering. he should have known better. The problem was the uber wide trigger on the Gold Cup. |
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Posted: 1/12/2005 6:09:25 PM EDT
[#49]
Cocked..locked...always ready to Rock. Why carry the gun any other way than what it was desgined to be.
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Posted: 1/12/2005 6:53:11 PM EDT
[#50]
+1 Not only does it not take a lot of time to click the safety off, if you use a proper grip when you push your gun hand against your support hand, your thumb will click the safety off automatically. I practice presenting from a holster a LOT. And I no longer even think about having to click off that safety. |
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