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Posted: 11/10/2008 9:22:18 PM EDT
[#1]
WTF!
 Reloads?
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Posted: 11/10/2008 9:32:22 PM EDT
[#2]
Yea, they were reloads............mine, of course.............been reloading 10 years, 50,000 + loads to date with no problems. Have shot thousands through my Ruger Super Redhawk and Marlin lever action .44 mag with out a hickup. Haven't heard from smith & wesson on what to do next. Am I screwed?
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Posted: 11/10/2008 9:34:15 PM EDT
[#3]
HOLY SHIT!!! Glad you are ok.
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Posted: 11/10/2008 9:43:23 PM EDT
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HOLY SHIT!!! Glad you are ok.QFT the first words out of my mother were "HOLY F*$#ING $H*T!!!!" |
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Posted: 11/10/2008 9:56:13 PM EDT
[#5]
Damn
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Posted: 11/10/2008 10:18:27 PM EDT
[#6]
That cyllinder looks cast to me... |
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Posted: 11/10/2008 10:35:51 PM EDT
[#7]
What was the load?
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Posted: 11/10/2008 10:43:14 PM EDT
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Yea, they were reloads............mine, of course.............been reloading 10 years, 50,000 + loads to date with no problems. Have shot thousands through my Ruger Super Redhawk and Marlin lever action .44 mag with out a hickup. Haven't heard from smith & wesson on what to do next. Am I screwed? For getting a new gun? Probably. Looks to me like a double charge. Or you where loading waaaay to hot for that gun. Did the two rounds next to it ignite too? |
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Posted: 11/10/2008 11:03:43 PM EDT
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Yea, they were reloads............mine, of course.............been reloading 10 years, 50,000 + loads to date with no problems. Have shot thousands through my Ruger Super Redhawk and Marlin lever action .44 mag with out a hickup. Haven't heard from smith & wesson on what to do next. Am I screwed? For getting a new gun? Probably. Looks to me like a double charge. Or you where loading waaaay to hot for that gun. Did the two rounds next to it ignite too? Or stuck a bullet in the bore and sent one behind it. 
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Posted: 11/10/2008 11:27:36 PM EDT
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The load was 200 gr. Horn XTP'S with 27 gr. of H110.......no double charge, can't do that with 27 grs. of H110...oal of 1.600". I fired 3 rounds with no problems, checked for bullet creep, loaded 2 more rounds, fired ok............then loaded 1 round.................k'boom!
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Posted: 11/10/2008 11:33:55 PM EDT
[#11]
That Ain't Good
Glad you didn't get farked up, that must've been "exciting", to say the least. 
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Posted: 11/10/2008 11:43:39 PM EDT
[#12]
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The load was 200 gr. Horn XTP'S with 27 gr. of H110.......no double charge, can't do that with 27 grs. of H110...oal of 1.600". I fired 3 rounds with no problems, checked for bullet creep, loaded 2 more rounds, fired ok............then loaded 1 round.................k'boom! Nope, no doubles with that powder. Do you have pics of all the cases that were fired in that gun? |
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Posted: 11/10/2008 11:46:51 PM EDT
[#13]
ouch. glad you're ok
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Posted: 11/11/2008 1:47:32 AM EDT
[#14]
Holy cow! Is that one of the new Night Guards? I thought about picking up one of those but I was leery of that much recoil in a scandium frame. Since you were using reloads S&W may tell you too bad.
Glad to hear no one was hurt. |
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Posted: 11/11/2008 2:22:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/11/2008 2:41:02 AM EDT
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I'm guessing the Super Redhawk and Marlin can handle slightly higher pressures then the S&W. Is there any way to see if your reload is above the max pressure for a 44 magnum?
Prep |
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Posted: 11/11/2008 3:57:55 AM EDT
[#17]
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I'm guessing the Super Redhawk and Marlin can handle slightly higher pressures then the S&W. Is there any way to see if your reload is above the max pressure for a 44 magnum? 200 GR. NOS JHP Hodgdon H110 .429" 1.600" 27.5 1708 29,000 CUP 28.5 1806 37,800 CUP The load is a light one according to the IMR website, which recommends starting at 27.5gr. Since you can't squeeze a double load of H110 into the case my presumption would be that the case was seriously underloaded which caused it to detonate. Small amounts of low density powder in large volume case can be a big problem. There is a lot of data on this phenomena out there. Check out http://www.reloadammo.com/liteload.htm for some information about this issue. |
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Posted: 11/11/2008 4:31:07 AM EDT
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I'm guessing the Super Redhawk and Marlin can handle slightly higher pressures then the S&W. Is there any way to see if your reload is above the max pressure for a 44 magnum? 200 GR. NOS JHP Hodgdon H110 .429" 1.600" 27.5 1708 29,000 CUP 28.5 1806 37,800 CUP The load is a light one according to the IMR website, which recommends starting at 27.5gr. Since you can't squeeze a double load of H110 into the case my presumption would be that the case was seriously underloaded which caused it to detonate. Small amounts of low density powder in large volume case can be a big problem. There is a lot of data on this phenomena out there. Check out http://www.reloadammo.com/liteload.htm for some information about this issue. +1 I have seen it. Just enough to build pressure, but not enough to move the crimped bullet. The pressure has to go somewhere. |
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Posted: 11/11/2008 4:39:39 AM EDT
[#19]
Glad your OK, I'll be happy to take any other S&W's off your hands...
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Posted: 11/11/2008 6:17:20 AM EDT
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The way the top strap went, I am pointing to the ammo as the cause, not the cylinder.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 7:00:57 AM EDT
[#21]
...nothing a little duck tape cant fix... go look for the other half of the cylinder and get it rocking again
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Posted: 11/11/2008 7:05:56 AM EDT
[#22]
I'm glad you're ok, but I'm leaning towards the reload as the problem and not the pistol.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:35:32 AM EDT
[#23]
That sure looks the aftermath of an overloaded round to me. You even blew the topstrap. The odds of a bad cylinder and a bad frame seem rather remote. I'd say unless S&W is in a generous mood, you just learned an expensive lesson.
I'm glad you are unharmed. You can buy another gun but your health is priceless. |
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:40:41 AM EDT
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I'm glad you're ok, but I'm leaning towards the reload as the problem and not the pistol. +1. An extra few grains of powder could have easily spiked the pressures enough. But, blame the gun.
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:42:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/11/2008 11:46:03 AM EDT
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I'll have a talk with me 340PD tonight. That is unacceptable behavior for a S&W. Glad you're ok bro. |
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Posted: 11/11/2008 2:10:06 PM EDT
[#27]
Quoted: Quoted: I'm glad you're ok, but I'm leaning towards the reload as the problem and not the pistol. +1. An extra few grains of powder could have easily spiked the pressures enough. But, blame the gun. Actually, with 110/296, a few extra grains might possibly have saved the gun. 110/296 is a powder capable of top-end results, but very finicky. This is the very reason that I will not use it, and will gladly suffer a mild velocity loss with 2400 for top loads. |
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Posted: 11/11/2008 2:40:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: We must handload from the same manual. I stopped using 296 and H110 a long time ago. Actually, with 110/296, a few extra grains might possibly have saved the gun. 110/296 is a powder capable of top-end results, but very finicky. This is the very reason that I will not use it, and will gladly suffer a mild velocity loss with 2400 for top loads. |
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Posted: 11/11/2008 3:19:22 PM EDT
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You bash S&W and then the first reply to your post is...
WTF! Reloads? Your answer is yes. There lies your answer. GM |
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Posted: 11/11/2008 3:37:04 PM EDT
[#30]
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I'm guessing the Super Redhawk and Marlin can handle slightly higher pressures then the S&W. Is there any way to see if your reload is above the max pressure for a 44 magnum? 200 GR. NOS JHP Hodgdon H110 .429" 1.600" 27.5 1708 29,000 CUP 28.5 1806 37,800 CUP The load is a light one according to the IMR website, which recommends starting at 27.5gr. Since you can't squeeze a double load of H110 into the case my presumption would be that the case was seriously underloaded which caused it to detonate. Small amounts of low density powder in large volume case can be a big problem. There is a lot of data on this phenomena out there. Check out http://www.reloadammo.com/liteload.htm for some information about this issue. This is probably the right answer. I use H110 some but take extra caution to weigh each load. Smokeless powder is supposed to burn, but under some conditions will detonate which is bad ju-ju for anything in your hand. You should head to nearest casino because you are definitely lucky right now. |
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Posted: 11/11/2008 5:29:25 PM EDT
[#31]
A better title for this thread would be No more reloading for me...............
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Posted: 11/11/2008 7:12:59 PM EDT
[#32]
glad your ok... who knows you might just get lucky and they will send you a new gun. A guy who used to frequent the gun store i worked at blew up 3 S&W 500's with reloads... and they sent him a new gun every time
... should kept the guns cause the guy is an idiot |
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Posted: 11/11/2008 9:04:58 PM EDT
[#33]
Wow!
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The problem with Hodgdon H110/Win 296 is that you must use the exact amount of powder, no less and no more. The exact amount.
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I'm glad you're ok, but I'm leaning towards the reload as the problem and not the pistol. +1. An extra few grains of powder could have easily spiked the pressures enough. But, blame the gun. Also according to my Winchester loading manual, you must have a very heavy crimp, so that the burning powder can build up enough pressure to force the bullet out. I see that the the gun is a S&W Al/Ti type gun, which is very light with very vicious recoil and muzzle flip. Could the recoil cause the bullet to loosen or telescope out, and thus loose the heavy crimp? Could also have been under-charged, this could've been a problem also. BTW: I have a S&W 38spl 342PD, and with factory 38spls it actually hurts my hand. I have to load target wadcutters if I want to shoot it extensively. |
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Posted: 11/12/2008 1:07:30 AM EDT
[#34]
I can't help but note the irony of your screen name within the context of your thread. That said, I'm glad to hear you came out of this ok.
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Posted: 11/12/2008 8:38:49 AM EDT
[#35]
MY LAST STATEMENT...................As I have said in an ealier post, I have loaded more than 50,000 rounds with no problems. I have fired thousands of .44 mag. loads out of my Ruger Super Redhawk and Marlin lever action. As a matter of fact, I fired the same loads in the Smith that I practied with my Marlin for deer hunting this weekend. Firing 6 rounds out of the Smith, in my opinion, should not have blown up. IF, by some chance I get a relpacement for the revolver, I will sell the gun. IF, it was my fault, I will take the blame.
THANKS TO ALL THAT SHOWED CONCERN FOR MY WELFAIR, FOR THE OTHERS...........................................................oh well.............. I'm done........................... |
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Posted: 11/12/2008 8:45:01 AM EDT
[#36]
Quoted: I'm done........................... Well, bye. |
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Posted: 11/12/2008 8:52:01 AM EDT
[#37]
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MY LAST STATEMENT...................As I have said in an ealier post, I have loaded more than 50,000 rounds with no problems. I have fired thousands of .44 mag. loads out of my Ruger Super Redhawk and Marlin lever action. As a matter of fact, I fired the same loads in the Smith that I practied with my Marlin for deer hunting this weekend. Firing 6 rounds out of the Smith, in my opinion, should not have blown up. IF, by some chance I get a relpacement for the revolver, I will sell the gun. IF, it was my fault, I will take the blame. THANKS TO ALL THAT SHOWED CONCERN FOR MY WELFAIR, FOR THE OTHERS...........................................................oh well.............. I'm done........................... Your fault not the guns. But I know you won't believe that. That would mean you made a mistake. |
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Posted: 11/12/2008 9:09:29 AM EDT
[#38]
willing to bet the "reload" part will not be told when the call is made to S&W, "oh no....factory loads, actaully box was marked S&W"
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Posted: 11/12/2008 10:20:48 AM EDT
[#39]
<––- Willing to bet S&W will want to see some of the ammo used. We'll see I guess. I'm glad you still have all your fingers. Please keep us updated as to what they say.
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Posted: 11/12/2008 11:24:50 AM EDT
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MY LAST STATEMENT...................As I have said in an ealier post, I have loaded more than 50,000 rounds with no problems. I have fired thousands of .44 mag. loads out of my Ruger Super Redhawk and Marlin lever action. As a matter of fact, I fired the same loads in the Smith that I practied with my Marlin for deer hunting this weekend. Firing 6 rounds out of the Smith, in my opinion, should not have blown up. IF, by some chance I get a relpacement for the revolver, I will sell the gun. IF, it was my fault, I will take the blame. THANKS TO ALL THAT SHOWED CONCERN FOR MY WELFAIR, FOR THE OTHERS...........................................................oh well.............. I'm done........................... Situations like this are rare and now that you've posted your story on the internet with pictures of your gun, I'm certain they S&W wont have any matching you up with this story. That being said, I don't see why they would consider replacing your revolver for you since you only plan on selling it if you get a new one. Good luck. |
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Posted: 11/12/2008 11:46:05 AM EDT
[#41]
Looks like it'll be easier to clean.
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Posted: 11/12/2008 12:19:38 PM EDT
[#42]
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no more Smith & Wesson for me!! No indeed. |
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Posted: 11/12/2008 12:55:58 PM EDT
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A better title for this thread would be No more reloading for me............... I agree with this. 
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Posted: 11/12/2008 12:57:56 PM EDT
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I'm glad you're ok, but I'm leaning towards the reload as the problem and not the pistol. This +1 |
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Posted: 11/12/2008 12:58:49 PM EDT
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If S&W won't replace it, I'll give you $50 for it as a conversation piece. That is one incredibly screwed up gun!
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Posted: 11/12/2008 1:15:35 PM EDT
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I'm glad you're ok, but I'm leaning towards the reload as the problem and not the pistol. This +1 Nonsense; there's almost as many pictures of blown-up S&W revolvers here as there are blown up Glocks. 
Glad you didn't get hurt. |
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Posted: 11/12/2008 1:44:13 PM EDT
[#47]
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Looks like it'll be easier to clean. 
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Posted: 11/12/2008 4:17:31 PM EDT
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Just a thought...
Many years ago I saw a picture of a revolver similarly destroyed (I think it was in precision shooting, but I could be wrong). The conclusion was that the powder used didn't fill the case. When the gun was leveled to fire, the powder flowed forward. If you can picture the powder in a case laying on its side, the level of the powder was lower than the primer hole. The primer fired igniting the entire charge at once, rather than from one end. The force of the explosion was directed upwards, removing the top half of the cylinder and the top strap of the gun. Their answer was to mix oatmeal in with the powder to fill the case and shake the cases to distribute. I haven't reloaded in a long time, so I don't know whether this would be an issue with this load. Or, you might have gotten a short powder charge in this one case. |
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Posted: 11/12/2008 5:35:55 PM EDT
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Hornady 7th ed shows 25.8 Min 28.7 Max for that powder and that bullet.
Not an undercharge, not an overcharge. Either the wrong powder was in there, or there was a material flaw in the cylinder. |
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Posted: 11/12/2008 6:27:42 PM EDT
[#50]
WOW. I am glad you are OK.
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