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I think big cans deserve to have big guns, big guns have big calibers. My vote is the USP 45 Tactical full size. I mean where are you really going to use a can other than home protection or the range? If you gotta have a can use a big gun as long as it fits your hand.
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That's a good point.
Even though the finger grooves are a bit of a turn off on the HK45, what are the real differences between it and the USP? The tactical USP is the only one I haven't physically held, are the suppressor sights on it any better than the HK45 tactical? |
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I second the USP 45 tactical. I wasn't sure I would like the size, but after shooting it, I appreciate the feel. I am not sure if the sights will clear an Octane, but they are pretty tall. As for the light, the X300U fits well with the surefire adapter. (I found the remote switch for the light is a huge help as its tricky to operate the light without it unless you have very long fingers. Here is a pic of mine to persuade you... <a href="http://s34.photobucket.com/user/ki_soarer/media/IMG_6617.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d136/ki_soarer/IMG_6617.jpg</a> View Quote That's a fine looking weapon, thank you for sharing. My LGS has a rental range, so I'll head over there when I have a free weekend and try them all out. |
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That's a fine looking weapon, thank you for sharing. My LGS has a rental range, so I'll head over there when I have a free weekend and try them all out. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I second the USP 45 tactical. I wasn't sure I would like the size, but after shooting it, I appreciate the feel. I am not sure if the sights will clear an Octane, but they are pretty tall. As for the light, the X300U fits well with the surefire adapter. (I found the remote switch for the light is a huge help as its tricky to operate the light without it unless you have very long fingers. Here is a pic of mine to persuade you... <a href="http://s34.photobucket.com/user/ki_soarer/media/IMG_6617.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d136/ki_soarer/IMG_6617.jpg</a> That's a fine looking weapon, thank you for sharing. My LGS has a rental range, so I'll head over there when I have a free weekend and try them all out. A USP Tactical is like an old Cadillac. Too big for several applications, but that big car comfort is second to none! |
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More ergonomic than a Glock 21
And I agree with the rest, the USP45 Tactical is what you seek. Although a Mk24 is also a good contender for this as well. |
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More ergonomic than a Glock 21 And I agree with the rest, the USP45 Tactical is what you seek. Although a Mk24 is also a good contender for this as well. View Quote There's a reason I sold my glock 21 a long time ago. Can the Mk23s even be had anymore? I thought they were discontinued. |
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There's a reason I sold my glock 21 a long time ago. Can the Mk23s even be had anymore? I thought they were discontinued. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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More ergonomic than a Glock 21 And I agree with the rest, the USP45 Tactical is what you seek. Although a Mk24 is also a good contender for this as well. There's a reason I sold my glock 21 a long time ago. Can the Mk23s even be had anymore? I thought they were discontinued. |
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The rumors of the death of the Mk23 persist constantly.
HK still makes them and still imports them, just not in the numbers they do their other guns and no longer with the maritime finish. The new models get the same harsh enviro finish the Tacs get. My dealer has a brand new 2015 one on his wall right now. BUT Speaking as a Mk23 owner, skip it. Unless you are a die hard fan of the design you really gain nothing going Mk23 for the extra price you pay that you don't already get with the regular USP45 Tac... except for a different proprietary rail that is even harder to find adapters for and IMO better sights (more traditionally shaped three dot vs the Tac's billboard rear target style). |
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Will this just be a range toy?They can be found in the wild but you'd have success ordering online at some GS that specializes in HK's. The HK45C is the Mk24 Mod 0. View Quote I am planning on having it suppressed for the majority of shooting, but I may leave the can behind and push into concealed carry for a bit. That's part of why I was considering the HK45C, but as some previous posters pointed out, a full size is better balanced with the can. I'll probably end up with both eventually, but that won't be for a while so the big question is: which to get first? Decisions, decisions. |
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The rumors of the death of the Mk23 persist constantly. HK still makes them and still imports them, just not in the numbers they do their other guns and no longer with the maritime finish. The new models get the same harsh enviro finish the Tacs get. My dealer has a brand new 2015 one on his wall right now. BUT Speaking as a Mk23 owner, skip it. Unless you are a die hard fan of the design you really gain nothing going Mk23 for the extra price you pay that you don't already get with the regular USP45 Tac... except for a different proprietary rail that is even harder to find adapters for and IMO better sights (more traditionally shaped three dot vs the Tac's billboard rear target style). View Quote Thanks for clarifying. The biggest issue I need to solve is the suppressor sight thing. I've had so many headaches with other pistols trying to hunt down suppressor sights that I'd like to just find something that works right out of the box. I'd prefer to stick with factory HK sights if possible, but I just don't know if the tactical USP sights clear the Octane. Can the MK23 sights be installed on the USP and are they taller than the tac USP's? |
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I am planning on having it suppressed for the majority of shooting, but I may leave the can behind and push into concealed carry for a bit. That's part of why I was considering the HK45C, but as some previous posters pointed out, a full size is better balanced with the can. I'll probably end up with both eventually, but that won't be for a while so the big question is: which to get first? Decisions, decisions. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Will this just be a range toy?They can be found in the wild but you'd have success ordering online at some GS that specializes in HK's. The HK45C is the Mk24 Mod 0. I am planning on having it suppressed for the majority of shooting, but I may leave the can behind and push into concealed carry for a bit. That's part of why I was considering the HK45C, but as some previous posters pointed out, a full size is better balanced with the can. I'll probably end up with both eventually, but that won't be for a while so the big question is: which to get first? Decisions, decisions. Good luck. |
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<snip> View Quote Thanks for taking the time to lay all of that out! If I had to convert a standard USP, or wanted night sights in the event the USP Tactical doesn't come with them (forgive my ignorance), would these be the ones to get? http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/USP-Tactical-Night-Sight-Fully-Adjustable-p1721.htm ETA: Thanks to everyone for the input. I'll stop by the rental range and see which one shoots best, definitely leaning towards the tac USP in light of the comments here. |
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Thanks for taking the time to lay all of that out! If I had to convert a standard USP, or wanted night sights in the event the USP Tactical doesn't come with them (forgive my ignorance), would these be the ones to get? http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/USP-Tactical-Night-Sight-Fully-Adjustable-p1721.htm ETA: Thanks to everyone for the input. I'll stop by the rental range and see which one shoots best, definitely leaning towards the tac USP in light of the comments here. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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<snip> Thanks for taking the time to lay all of that out! If I had to convert a standard USP, or wanted night sights in the event the USP Tactical doesn't come with them (forgive my ignorance), would these be the ones to get? http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/USP-Tactical-Night-Sight-Fully-Adjustable-p1721.htm ETA: Thanks to everyone for the input. I'll stop by the rental range and see which one shoots best, definitely leaning towards the tac USP in light of the comments here. |
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I have seen those sights installed on a USP Tac before in place of the regular sights and if I remember right they do still clear most cans. I think Mepros are the HK factory supplier.
As for converting a standard USP into a Tac keep in mind that HK has said that the USP45 Tac has a different recoil spring in it than the regular USP45 "for suppressor use" (has different part numbers to boot). I have never seen a proper explanation of what or why this is. Also by the time you buy the barrel and the sights you will probably already be at or around Tac pricing anyway, and you will gain the match trigger of the Tac. |
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The host for my Octane is a HK45T. I agree than a large suppressor feels more natural with a full size gun.
Don't replace the sights until you try shooting with stock sights first. I have have not found the need to replace mine for suppressor use. Much has been said comparing the 45T, USP and MK23. Each has advantages and disadvantages. Should you have medium sized hands like me, the HK45 with its slimmer profile will be a better fit. |
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Thanks for the info, JsARCLIGHT.
The tactical USP definitely has my interest, but I'm still going to plan a trip to give them all a little test drive. |
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Well, I was leaning toward the USP, but I took a trip to my local shop and got a chance to handle and shoot both of them, suppressed and unsuppressed, and I decided on the HK45.
To my surprise, the finger grooves weren't as bad as I initially thought, and after running a couple mags through it, it seemed more comfortable than shooting the USP. The sights aren't super tall, but they get up high enough to where the can isn't obscuring my target. I even got to run my Octane that's in jail on the demo guns, so I know exactly what I'm up for. They ordered me a HK45 Tactical with an FDE frame. I should have it in next week. Thanks to everyone for the input. |
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Nice! Range report for us if you don't mind. View Quote I wish I had taken a picture of the target, I'll be sure to give a detailed report when it comes in. I'll go back for another supervised visit with the Octane and put a box or so of ammo through it. Of the rounds I did fire, I had no problem hitting center mass at 15 yards. When I tried DA, I pulled a few low and to the left. Probably something I just need to get used to. That first time going from DA to SA threw me off a little, but once I got the hang of it I was able to walk it back in. The sights on the HK45 don't stick up above the top of the can,but they sit just high enough so that the can wasn't obscuring my target. I'll definitely report back with pics in a week or two. ETA : while I was at the shop, I confirmed that a SureFire X300U DOES NOT fit on a HK45 Compact. |
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I wish I had taken a picture of the target, I'll be sure to give a detailed report when it comes in. I'll go back for another supervised visit with the Octane and put a box or so of ammo through it. Of the rounds I did fire, I had no problem hitting center mass at 15 yards. When I tried DA, I pulled a few low and to the left. Probably something I just need to get used to. That first time going from DA to SA threw me off a little, but once I got the hang of it I was able to walk it back in. The sights on the HK45 don't stick up above the top of the can,but they sit just high enough so that the can wasn't obscuring my target. I'll definitely report back with pics in a week or two. ETA : while I was at the shop, I confirmed that a SureFire X300U DOES NOT fit on a HK45 Compact. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Nice! Range report for us if you don't mind. I wish I had taken a picture of the target, I'll be sure to give a detailed report when it comes in. I'll go back for another supervised visit with the Octane and put a box or so of ammo through it. Of the rounds I did fire, I had no problem hitting center mass at 15 yards. When I tried DA, I pulled a few low and to the left. Probably something I just need to get used to. That first time going from DA to SA threw me off a little, but once I got the hang of it I was able to walk it back in. The sights on the HK45 don't stick up above the top of the can,but they sit just high enough so that the can wasn't obscuring my target. I'll definitely report back with pics in a week or two. ETA : while I was at the shop, I confirmed that a SureFire X300U DOES NOT fit on a HK45 Compact. It does with some mods, there is a thread about it floating around the internet. Most people end up with the Viridian X5L or C5L since they fit without modification. I think a Streamlight model does too. Also, too late now I guess, but the USP Tactical sights do clear an Octane. |
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It does with some mods, there is a thread about it floating around the internet. Most people end up with the Viridian X5L or C5L since they fit without modification. I think a Streamlight model does too. Also, too late now I guess, but the USP Tactical sights do clear an Octane. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Nice! Range report for us if you don't mind. I wish I had taken a picture of the target, I'll be sure to give a detailed report when it comes in. I'll go back for another supervised visit with the Octane and put a box or so of ammo through it. Of the rounds I did fire, I had no problem hitting center mass at 15 yards. When I tried DA, I pulled a few low and to the left. Probably something I just need to get used to. That first time going from DA to SA threw me off a little, but once I got the hang of it I was able to walk it back in. The sights on the HK45 don't stick up above the top of the can,but they sit just high enough so that the can wasn't obscuring my target. I'll definitely report back with pics in a week or two. ETA : while I was at the shop, I confirmed that a SureFire X300U DOES NOT fit on a HK45 Compact. It does with some mods, there is a thread about it floating around the internet. Most people end up with the Viridian X5L or C5L since they fit without modification. I think a Streamlight model does too. Also, too late now I guess, but the USP Tactical sights do clear an Octane. I'm the guy that made the x300 mod. It's not hard and works very well. There is a thread here with a link but if you Google SFx300 HK45c modification there is a link to my post on m4carbine that lays the whole thing out. |
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I see now. Thanks.
I should have clarified that there's no way it would work on the 45C without modification. |
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I'm glad you got a very positive experience.
I was completely sold after my first as well, the USP45. Your post makes me ponder if I should give the HK45 another try. |
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I'm glad you got a very positive experience. I was completely sold after my first as well, the USP45. Your post makes me ponder if I should give the HK45 another try. View Quote Personal preference and priorities on features (such as the pic rail vs. "universal" rail) definitely play a large part in it. I can say, having the memory fresh in my brain of firing the HK45 and USP 45 side by side, the HK45 won in the ergonomic category for me. It wasn't by much, but it was enough to make the decision clear for me. The USP just felt a little bit more cumbersome in the hand, but everyone's hands are a little different, so you really have to try it out before making a decision. I definitely wouldn't rule out the USP from a future purchase, but I couldn't see using it as a CCW. I am fortunate to live near a range that has a pretty wide selection of rentals, that really helps. |
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