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Posted: 7/17/2008 2:58:05 PM EDT
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Winchester Ranger T 230gr also available as +P, Federal HST 230gr also available as +P, Federal Tactical Bonded 230gr +P, Speer Gold Dot 230gr.
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Posted: 7/17/2008 3:07:23 PM EDT
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i have been looking at federal HST... but im lookingat a 2-4 week backorder. And i had a bad experience with gold dot... not to mention hydra shok outperformend it by a mile. i will check the ranger T for sure.
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Posted: 7/17/2008 3:09:11 PM EDT
[#3]
+1 - Winchester TA45T or RA45TP |
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Posted: 7/17/2008 3:12:49 PM EDT
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How does hydrashok outperform gold dot? 
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Posted: 7/17/2008 4:01:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/17/2008 4:03:42 PM EDT
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I've been running TAP but my 1991A1 eats it all. I haven't been able to find a HP it won't cycle.
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Posted: 7/17/2008 5:21:21 PM EDT
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230 Grain Gold Dot 230 Grain HST 230 Grain Win-T Pick one, I don't care which. My preference is for the Gold Dot due to availability. |
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Posted: 7/17/2008 5:23:10 PM EDT
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tested gold dot Vs. hydrs shok and a number of other rounds in wet newspaper for an even comparison 9mm same gun same day. Also had issues with casings on gold dot they started showing a lines at the base of the bullet and cracking.
Gold dot 115g expanded to .664 for about 87.042% expansion over origional size Hyra shok 135g expanded to .768 for about 116.338% expansion over origional size. |
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Posted: 7/17/2008 5:30:02 PM EDT
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185 grain federal hydra-shok....one hell of a hot round..my new agent loves it
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Posted: 7/17/2008 9:19:29 PM EDT
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200gr +P Gold Dots
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Posted: 7/17/2008 9:20:57 PM EDT
[#11]
Where the hell are you finding Ranger T series? Online? ETA: I have Hydrashoks in both my 1911's and love 'em |
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Posted: 7/18/2008 12:22:24 AM EDT
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I met a very nice man online. We exchanged goods for currency. I'm set.
Keep an eye on the EE...  |
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Posted: 7/18/2008 3:39:21 AM EDT
[#13]
 ......... so much more scientific than ballistic gelatin. Well then, the hydroshock is the round you need when defending yourself against rouge phone books. 
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Posted: 7/18/2008 10:32:28 AM EDT
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I shall rush to the gun store immediately to purchase this wonderful ammo! There was a suspicious looking phone book waiting to ambush me in my driveway just yesterday! |
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Posted: 7/18/2008 1:27:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/18/2008 6:48:51 PM EDT
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this is why I think before a thread can be posted, A mod needs to review it before it can be seen by everyone |
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Posted: 7/18/2008 10:37:26 PM EDT
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So you are going to choose 1980s technology that is known for plugging up with clothing when fired on the two-way range over a bullet that is reputable, has excellent weight retention and is bonded. I just don't know what to tell you. |
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Posted: 7/19/2008 7:57:33 PM EDT
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Big +1 |
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Posted: 7/20/2008 4:51:54 PM EDT
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Oh...I was going to say 10mm Auto.  I like the HSTs and Gold Dots out of all of my Pistolas, including my .45 ACP. |
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Posted: 7/21/2008 10:41:41 PM EDT
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im insulted. Despite the fact that phone book is not ballistic gelatin as long at the comparison is apples to apples in the same medium it gives me a round to round comparison on funationality. besides ballistic gelatin is only an approximation of average tissue in an average human bieng and does not account for differences in muscle layering or bone upon bullet impact. So there goes your "scientific" theroy on balliatic gelation.
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Posted: 7/21/2008 10:44:44 PM EDT
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i shall have to retry the gold dot in my 1911. i know it is a good round, my main issue was with the casing issues i had. its worth a shot and its just gonna take time to see if they will last in my mags.
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Posted: 7/22/2008 4:19:10 AM EDT
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I've been very happy with the Federal HST in my Springer.
Ballistic tests show it to be one of the top performing rounds, it's much cheaper than most other defense ammo, and you can get it in +P or standard pressures. I need to pick up another 2 boxes sometime soon. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 7:09:49 AM EDT
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Your testing was flawed in some way. Gold dot > Hydrasuck. This has been proven from ballistic gelatin to real world applications. There's a reason why Federal doesn't market the Hydrasuck to LE any more. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 7:32:27 AM EDT
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First off to everyone else - there's no need to be rude to the OP. Just a pointing out of the facts is sufficient. Please keep that in mind.
First of all, you're right - comparing apples to apples is usually a good idea, but checking a bullet in phone books is not since it may emphasize the wrong parameter of a bullet's performance, and that parameter may behave completely different in human tissue. Using your example, you compared the HydraShok to the Gold Dot, and the HS performed better, but that only means that the HS performs better in telephone books - nothing else. You can then jump from apples to oranges, and conclude that performance will be just as good in tissue. As far as the homogeneity of ballistic gelatin is concerned - you're right. It does not account for different densities, but the overall density is the same. What this means is that if you were to shoot 10 shots into ballistic gelatin, and 10 shots in the same spot in a human, you'd get about the same AVERAGE penetration depth and bullet expansion, although the standard deviation of the shots into a human would be greater. This is reflected in one of the Fackler articles I have in the FAQ about the 147gr Winchester JHP performance compared to actual gunshot victims. |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 9:26:38 PM EDT
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Check out my post from a little while ago. This poll was geared towards law enforcement. The poll speaks for itself if you ask me...... www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=76&t=680904 |
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Posted: 7/22/2008 9:48:40 PM EDT
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I just voted and tied all it up...
two |
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Posted: 7/23/2008 7:10:09 AM EDT
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HST, Gold Dot, Ranger - pick one and don't worry about it. Leave the HydraShoks off the list.
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Posted: 7/23/2008 3:11:43 PM EDT
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sounds like the OP has a finicky-feeding 1911..
I could argue that the Remington 230gr Golden Saber features the best overall feed profile of all the premium loads, and excellent terminal ballistics to match |
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Posted: 8/2/2008 5:47:06 PM EDT
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bump
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Posted: 8/3/2008 8:59:58 AM EDT
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I agree that he has a finicky 1911. I wouldn't recommend any HP for carry until those feeding issues were sorted out. GS might work most of the time, or it might not... Is this a PT1911? |
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Posted: 8/3/2008 9:06:54 AM EDT
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I've seen the HST, Ranger-T, Gold Dot, Hydrashok, and Golden Saber all in regular bare gel, denim covered gel, and through auto glass into gel thanks to an ATK demonstration at our department range.
HST and Ranger-T impressed me most with consistent expansion and penetration. Gold Dot was good in the respect that it's bonded jacket held it together, watched the HST and Ranger-T both lose it's jacket on 1 or 2 occasions through auto glass but they still had some expansion. A fully expanded HST is an awesome sight. My vote is HST first and Ranger-T second.  Try to get your gun working with 1 of those two loads, they seem to have good jacket profiles as they stand now so it would concern me that your gun doesn't feed them. |
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Posted: 8/3/2008 3:39:57 PM EDT
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Get a Wilson and a CM Power mag... Buy lots of which ever one works. |
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Posted: 8/4/2008 12:26:13 PM EDT
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ANy of those I would not want to be on the receiving end that is for sure. Pick the one that works in your gun.
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Posted: 8/4/2008 10:12:05 PM EDT
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In your poll I would replace the Hydra Shock with the Corbon DPX, and then choose whichever feeds best in your firearm.
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Posted: 8/7/2008 7:20:06 AM EDT
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I know corbon DPX is a great round, but the most wt i can get is 185, and i wanted to stick with 230.
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Posted: 8/7/2008 7:41:11 AM EDT
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The reason the DPX is 185gr is due to its solid copper construction. It's a long bullet even at 185gr. The "slow and heavy" approach is usually a good indicator, but in this case, 185gr is just fine if that's what you're worries about.
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Posted: 8/7/2008 7:33:05 PM EDT
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yes, but i still dont like the lighter bulelts. plus it may not match up with how my target ammo shoots because of the weight.
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