Bama, check around at some of your local shops. I'll bet you'll find a deal you can live with. As an FFL dealer who actually makes his living at it, as opposed to working out of his basement, I really get upset when I hear folks recommending to others to order from Timbucktoo just to save a couple of bucks. $450 is a good price, then $25.00 to ship; that's $475.00. Gun will have to be shipped to an FFL dealer who usually charges anywhere from $25.00 or more, that moves it up to $500.00. My normal retail is $529.00 for the standard frame with fixed sights, night sites will run $60.00 more. And you can find us after the sale. We also offer other services such as "try before you buy" with 50 + rental guns on our indoor range to test drive before you decide, on staff gunsmith, and best of all, you can see what you are buying before you lay your money down. Seems to me this is a lot to give up to save a couple of bucks. Only thing I see as worse is perhaps shopping at the local Comunist Wal-Mart and supporting the 8 billion Chinese.