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Posted: 4/3/2016 8:40:09 AM EDT
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Since the original thread got locked on OP request...
https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_13/166746_Official_Roland_Special_Glock_19_thread___.html I thought it was an interesting discussion and I'm not sure why the OP requested a lock. While many seem to think that you just leave a Glock alone, it seems the best pistol shooters in the world have decided to put together their own custom guns. Pistol Forum discussion G&A Article There was a good thread on Primary and Secondary but you have to register to see it. 12/23/16 Update: I'm updating this thread a bit to include the term "fauxland special". The Roland special is a very specific setup: Glock 19 with frame work and slide milling, stock internals, KKM bbl and comp, Trijicon RMR, and an X300U. What about pistols following this functional theme but not actually being Roland Specials? Unlike a clone AR thread that balks at "inspired-by builds" I'm amending this thread it to include similar glocks that deviate from the specific configuration but fill the overall function: RDS and comp equipped Glocks that aren't competition oriented "open-class" rigs. G17s, ATOM/ZEV/etc slides, other optics, upgraded triggers and internals, TBRCI comps, non-KKM barrels, non-x300u lights, lonewolf/P80/CCF frames etc... do not a Roland make, but they are functional equivalents that are being termed "faux-lands". |
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Originally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote: KKM Comp and barrel. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote: Originally Posted By 96Ag: Originally Posted By Lancelot: Originally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote: https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1641/26336888015_49636ec138_b.jpgRolando Especial by Two Sierra, on Flickr Which magwell / trigger is that? And which compensator? Thank you. KKM Comp and barrel. Thank you. |
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
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When I saw this, my first thought was "That thing is fuck-ugly and there is no way anyone would use that outside of competition."
Read the G&A article, took a closer look. The concept is sound; same size as a Glock 34 with a brake slapped on to reduce muzzle flip. But some of the details are stupid as hell. I can't see anyone managing to rack the slide on something other than, say, their clothing with top slide serrations. Could certainly do so off of the RMR, but I'd be worried about breaking it off the slide. Minor concern in a life/death situation, but something to think about. Anyway. This would be an optimal setup for someone whose only weapon is their sidearm, say law enforcement.(Don't see any department allowing it, unless they're SWAT) My only concern would be trigger/action work, and the KKM barrel; that seems to be where reliability problems could be introduced, and I'm not a fan of trigger work on guns that I carry. I don't see much need for a match-grade barrel, either; the stock ones hold 2-3 inches for me at 25 yards. Has anyone attached a muzzle brake to a factory threaded barrel? That would seem to be the optimal setup, at least for me. |
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I picture a 17 frame with a 19 or 26 slide with a muzzle brake and an rds.
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Aftee reading about this new concept I decided to built one to use it as a range toy, but let me tell you I'm so impress about how flat it shoots, acquiring the rmr dot it's so easy, it quickly became one of my favorite so decided to carry and order an IWB JM custom that it will take some time to get to me, any of you guys carrying this bad boy I'm open to other suggestions on holsters
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Originally Posted By khadafy:
Aftee reading about this new concept I decided to built one to use it as a range toy, but let me tell you I'm so impress about how flat it shoots, acquiring the rmr dot it's so easy, it quickly became one of my favorite so decided to carry and order an IWB JM custom that it will take some time to get to me, any of you guys carrying this bad boy I'm open to other suggestions on holsters View Quote The JM Custom Kydex rig is what I'm running as well. I know others have taken a liking to the VG3 from RCS, but I had my JM before the VG3 was released to the public, so I've been sticking with it. |
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Originally Posted By Ghent915:
The JM Custom Kydex rig is what I'm running as well. I know others have taken a liking to the VG3 from RCS, but I had my JM before the VG3 was released to the public, so I've been sticking with it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Ghent915:
Originally Posted By khadafy:
Aftee reading about this new concept I decided to built one to use it as a range toy, but let me tell you I'm so impress about how flat it shoots, acquiring the rmr dot it's so easy, it quickly became one of my favorite so decided to carry and order an IWB JM custom that it will take some time to get to me, any of you guys carrying this bad boy I'm open to other suggestions on holsters The JM Custom Kydex rig is what I'm running as well. I know others have taken a liking to the VG3 from RCS, but I had my JM before the VG3 was released to the public, so I've been sticking with it. I will like to try the VG3 concept, but i the same time i need a holster that will allow me to do live fire. I was looking at the EIDOLON but don't know if it fits. |
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Originally Posted By steve-oh:
roland speshul in the wild? My eyes aren't that good. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/sr338/50CA9840-54AE-45A7-A2E8-C7DC581AC3A0_zpsrbwdwnrb.jpg View Quote Looks like it if you zoom in. Where did this picture come from? The rifle setup looks odd, I can't really place it but it looks like it has a KAC can. |
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Looks like it if you zoom in. Where did this picture come from? The rifle setup looks odd, I can't really place it but it looks like it has a KAC can. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By steve-oh:
roland speshul in the wild? My eyes aren't that good. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/sr338/50CA9840-54AE-45A7-A2E8-C7DC581AC3A0_zpsrbwdwnrb.jpg Looks like it if you zoom in. Where did this picture come from? The rifle setup looks odd, I can't really place it but it looks like it has a KAC can. Looks like DARC |
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Everytime I see this Glock and I can't help but think how stupid it is, but how much I want one.
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Originally Posted By BCV:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By steve-oh:
roland speshul in the wild? My eyes aren't that good. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/sr338/50CA9840-54AE-45A7-A2E8-C7DC581AC3A0_zpsrbwdwnrb.jpg Looks like it if you zoom in. Where did this picture come from? The rifle setup looks odd, I can't really place it but it looks like it has a KAC can. Looks like DARC Probably, lots of stuff pops up there. Which means that without knowing who is shooting it, it probably isn't "in the wild". |
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Originally Posted By BCV:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By steve-oh:
roland speshul in the wild? My eyes aren't that good. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/sr338/50CA9840-54AE-45A7-A2E8-C7DC581AC3A0_zpsrbwdwnrb.jpg Looks like it if you zoom in. Where did this picture come from? The rifle setup looks odd, I can't really place it but it looks like it has a KAC can. Looks like DARC Not DARC. walls are painted, not coated in explosive residue and sim splatter. |
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Referring to me: you have a very sarcastic and condescending and patronizing and insulting and demeaning way of 'being helpful"
Just the right amount of wrong. |
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6765&d=1459061099 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By UrbancommandoX:
I assume this thread is about the 960 roland conversion? I read on the 460 how the case the thicker and it added some real power to the 45. What advantages does the 960 have or rather what more powerful catridge does it mimic? I heard when this first came out people said it wont do anything 357 sig doesnt do, but there has to be more to this cartridge than that? Not Rowland... Roland. It's a G19 with a RDS, light, and KKM barrel and comp used by some super legit gunfighter types. https://pistol-forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=6765&d=1459061099 Rowland...Roland ok now I'm up to speed, I confused myself "sometimes that don't take much" |
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Since the comp works more efficiently with more velocity and pressure, how would a RS in .40S&W perform? Anyone tried it? If I wasn't strapped for cash, I'd get a LE trade in and do one myself
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Originally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote:
<a href="https://flic.kr/p/H6UdJW" target="_blank">https://c3.staticflickr.com/8/7349/26977398650_c698f2ff87_b.jpg</a>Roland Special. by Two Sierra, on Flickr View Quote image not appropriate for a tech forum -AJE |
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Originally Posted By BCV: Everytime I see this Glock and I can't help but think how stupid it is, but how much I want one. View Quote I'm in the same boat. Probably pick up the barrel and comp in a month or so, and either an mos or a atom slide. ETA: I'm actually trying to decide between a Roland special, or a G17 with a 6-Sec mount and RDS. Haven't decided which. |
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god i hate arfcom b/c i have no use for this but damn i want one now...
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I ain't a graduate of BMU....
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Would that comp fit another barrel, like a s3f solutions threaded barrel?
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Roland Special G19 and Jagerwerks G17C. 2016-07-22_12-25-48 by The One and Only "B"!, on Flickr IMG_20160615_123918 by The One and Only "B"!, on Flickr |
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Meh..... so stupid. Looks like a waste of money.
I have to get another $200 G22 and set one up minus the red dot. |
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Originally Posted By Airborne_Infantryman:
It won't. The KKM comp uses a proprietary thread pitch. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Airborne_Infantryman:
Originally Posted By david0731:
Would that comp fit another barrel, like a s3f solutions threaded barrel? It won't. The KKM comp uses a proprietary thread pitch. Ok, thanks for the reply. |
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Originally Posted By david0731:
Ok, thanks for the reply. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By david0731:
Originally Posted By Airborne_Infantryman:
Originally Posted By david0731:
Would that comp fit another barrel, like a s3f solutions threaded barrel? It won't. The KKM comp uses a proprietary thread pitch. Ok, thanks for the reply. Carver makes a comp that's really similar to the KKM comp that works on the standard 1/2x28 thread pitch S3F uses. |
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Originally Posted By Stantonizm:
Carver makes a comp that's really similar to the KKM comp that works on the standard 1/2x28 thread pitch S3F uses. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Stantonizm:
Originally Posted By david0731:
Originally Posted By Airborne_Infantryman:
Originally Posted By david0731:
Would that comp fit another barrel, like a s3f solutions threaded barrel? It won't. The KKM comp uses a proprietary thread pitch. Ok, thanks for the reply. Carver makes a comp that's really similar to the KKM comp that works on the standard 1/2x28 thread pitch S3F uses. They do, but it requires red loctite to keep it indexed properly. |
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Does it count as an RS if you use a G19 MOS or does it have to be a standard G19 milled by ATEi?
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Originally Posted By fatcat4620:
So basically this http://www.bestcarinf.com/manufacturers/honda/honda-civic/honda-civic-ricer/honda-civic-ricer-4.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By fatcat4620:
Originally Posted By Middlelength:
I love how everyone has a hard on for this. This is exactly how I would expect a gun to be set up by people that are familiar with the concept of competition shooting, and yet have no deep mastery of the handgun platform. The comp is lunacy on a 9mm gun, even the NATO stuff doesn't generate enough gas to need any sort of comp. Instead you have introduced ports and venting, and all the associated negative effects, for a pistol that is presumably used in tight quarters by "face shooters". Then, you've made the intentional choice to run a 19, instead of a 17, despite the fact that anyone with more than 5 minutes on a handgun shoots a 17 better, often 15-20% better. You've added a magwell, which is borderline retarded on a concealment piece, so you're just adding further mechanical complexity. Magwells on 19s don't often do that well with large/gloved hands either. Now, we've also added stippling. There are very, very few people who can stipple Glocks without reducing the integrity of the frame/grip. Not a good idea usually on a working gun. And of course, we declare that this is a "special" pistol, for "special" people, as if the concept and application can't then be critiqued. So basically this http://www.bestcarinf.com/manufacturers/honda/honda-civic/honda-civic-ricer/honda-civic-ricer-4.jpg Never go full retard... That car is full retard... |
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Originally Posted By bentron:
Does it count as an RS if you use a G19 MOS or does it have to be a standard G19 milled by ATEi? View Quote Don't matter to me, I'm not exactly a purist. I did however pick up a 19MOS today and ordered a Wilson Combat barrel. Plus I want a 1moa dot instead of the 3.5. We'll just call it a Roland variant. |
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Originally Posted By soowah:
Don't matter to me, I'm not exactly a purist. I did however pick up a 19MOS today and ordered a Wilson Combat barrel. Plus I want a 1moa dot instead of the 3.5. We'll just call it a Roland variant. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By soowah:
Originally Posted By bentron:
Does it count as an RS if you use a G19 MOS or does it have to be a standard G19 milled by ATEi? Don't matter to me, I'm not exactly a purist. I did however pick up a 19MOS today and ordered a Wilson Combat barrel. Plus I want a 1moa dot instead of the 3.5. We'll just call it a Roland variant. I think 1moa will be to small and hard to pick up fast, I've got a 3moa & 8moa I shoot the 8 better/faster just my 2 cents. |
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Originally Posted By BigPapaColt:
I think 1moa will be to small and hard to pick up fast, I've got a 3moa & 5moa I shoot the 5 better/faster just my 2 cents. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BigPapaColt:
Originally Posted By soowah:
Originally Posted By bentron:
Does it count as an RS if you use a G19 MOS or does it have to be a standard G19 milled by ATEi? Don't matter to me, I'm not exactly a purist. I did however pick up a 19MOS today and ordered a Wilson Combat barrel. Plus I want a 1moa dot instead of the 3.5. We'll just call it a Roland variant. I think 1moa will be to small and hard to pick up fast, I've got a 3moa & 5moa I shoot the 5 better/faster just my 2 cents. Maybe. I dug out my old TNVC RDP II 3moa dot and played a bit with it. Worse comes to worse I just throw the Trij on a PCC. |
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Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here!
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Alright, got this thing together. Who makes a decent holster that has an offset and drop, not thigh rig?
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Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here!
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The holster is a Safariland 6354DO and it still has to be worked just a little bit to make everything lock in as it is supposed to.
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using glock 34 or 17 for the holster type?
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
So I know you're a SF whore . . . . . |
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Originally Posted By BCV:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By steve-oh:
roland speshul in the wild? My eyes aren't that good. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/sr338/50CA9840-54AE-45A7-A2E8-C7DC581AC3A0_zpsrbwdwnrb.jpg Looks like it if you zoom in. Where did this picture come from? The rifle setup looks odd, I can't really place it but it looks like it has a KAC can. Looks like DARC Not enough shit on the ground to be DARC lol. And DARC isn't painted black and doesn't have the red stripe on the wall. The walls at DARC are coated in Skittles. |
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How much do the compensators help? Is it much louder indoors?
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Originally Posted By Stantonizm:
Carver makes a comp that's really similar to the KKM comp that works on the standard 1/2x28 thread pitch S3F uses. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Stantonizm:
Originally Posted By david0731:
Originally Posted By Airborne_Infantryman:
Originally Posted By david0731:
Would that comp fit another barrel, like a s3f solutions threaded barrel? It won't. The KKM comp uses a proprietary thread pitch. Ok, thanks for the reply. Carver makes a comp that's really similar to the KKM comp that works on the standard 1/2x28 thread pitch S3F uses. I just ordered one of the Carver Comps to try on my S3F Solutions barrel. Should have everything in hand by Friday. |
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Originally Posted By twpayne75:
I just ordered one of the Carver Comps to try on my S3F Solutions barrel. Should have everything in hand by Friday. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By twpayne75:
Originally Posted By Stantonizm:
Originally Posted By david0731:
Originally Posted By Airborne_Infantryman:
Originally Posted By david0731:
Would that comp fit another barrel, like a s3f solutions threaded barrel? It won't. The KKM comp uses a proprietary thread pitch. Ok, thanks for the reply. Carver makes a comp that's really similar to the KKM comp that works on the standard 1/2x28 thread pitch S3F uses. I just ordered one of the Carver Comps to try on my S3F Solutions barrel. Should have everything in hand by Friday. You'll like it! |
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