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Posted: 4/25/2006 3:17:42 PM EDT
...over on drudgereport.com you can see the pic of his new vid with an ak in the background. Any ideas what variant this is?

Brandon J.
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 3:19:30 PM EDT
[#1]
AKS-74U, otherwise known as the "Krinkov"
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 3:20:24 PM EDT
[#2]


Link Posted: 4/25/2006 3:23:11 PM EDT
[#3]
better pic
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 3:26:05 PM EDT
[#4]
Do you think that's a suicide belt/pouch he's got on or mags for his Krink?
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 3:27:08 PM EDT
[#5]
If I was there I'd shoot that fucker in the head and steal his gat.
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 3:41:22 PM EDT
[#6]

What kind of AK does Zarqawi have?    



The one that will be shoved up his fucking ass!
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 4:12:44 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
AKS-74U, otherwise known as the "Krinkov"



+1. Chopped down AK-74 w/folding stock=AKS-74, AKS-74 with barrel chopped=AKS-74U

Ive also seen it scribed simply "AKSU" and "AKSU-74"


Quoted:

Do you think that's a suicide belt/pouch he's got on or mags for his Krink?



Was that a joke? Seriously, terrorist masterminds dont blow themselves up, they talk retards into doing it for them. Them is mags.
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 4:13:34 PM EDT
[#8]
LOL. It's just too bad the hell fire missile that's going to take him out won't be able to spare the rifle

Brandon J.
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 4:15:40 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
better pic
i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/WORLD/meast/04/25/zarqawi/newt1.1519.zarqawi.ap.jpg



nice, I think the print out will make a handy target for my BB gun.

I wish someone would shoot that son of a bitch. Id like to volunteer...oh wait, I already did!
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 4:17:31 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
LOL. It's just too bad the hell fire missile that's going to take him out won't be able to spare the rifle

Brandon J.



That just wouldnt be right, killing him with a missle. It would cheat every 11B in the Army out of the chance to be THAT guy...
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 4:18:46 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
If I was there I'd shoot that fucker in the head and steal his gat.



yep. Sure hope he dies soon, but would like to borrow that Krinkov.
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 4:25:23 PM EDT
[#12]
I bet he is out of 5.45 ammo also, those mags are empty, he is frowning about his latest backorder from his ammoman.
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 4:25:48 PM EDT
[#13]
That's  the same model Bin Laden is always carrying.  Maybe he's trying to imitate the big man.
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 4:31:28 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
I bet he is out of 5.45 ammo also, those mags are empty, he is frowning about his latest backorder from his ammoman.



I think he is pissed cause ammoman said the Krink was a bringback but the damn thing had import stamps on it!
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 4:47:52 PM EDT
[#16]
Iraqi copy, or a Russian mfg'd Krink?
If russian - perhaps it came from the Chechan war - I know some russian weapons captured in the war have made their way onto Al qaeda films as propaganda pieces.
Much like Zarqawi posing with a captured M249 SAW - basically it says "yea, we killed some of your guys, and took their equipment. see? they aren't invincible"
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 5:08:04 PM EDT
[#17]
what a porker
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 5:19:10 PM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:
newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41601000/jpg/_41601544_zarqawi_grab_203.jpg

newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41601000/jpg/_41601986_zarqawi_afp203b.jpg




Seems awfully well fed for a Jihadi?



next thing you know, he'll be selling beef jerky and glass figurines at gun shows.
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 5:19:37 PM EDT
[#19]
russian left krink, iraq doesn't make any krinks or AK74s for that matter to my knowledge.

They do make thier own version of the SVD though, and I'm sure either buy AK47s or possibly make a few. But the krinks are russian krinks probably taken after the afghan war.
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 5:35:58 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41601000/jpg/_41601544_zarqawi_grab_203.jpg

newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41601000/jpg/_41601986_zarqawi_afp203b.jpg




Seems awfully well fed for a Jihadi?



next thing you know, he'll be selling beef jerky and glass figurines at gun shows.




Not really what I was getting at but amusing.  I read a decent book called "My Jihad" about an American muslim who fought the Russians in Chechnya and other assorted vacation spots they hovered in starvation more often than not.
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 5:40:56 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I bet he is out of 5.45 ammo also, those mags are empty, he is frowning about his latest backorder from his ammoman.



I think he is pissed cause ammoman said the Krink was a bringback but the damn thing had import stamps on it!



Link Posted: 4/25/2006 5:52:03 PM EDT
[#22]
Click Click............BANG...............BANG.....................................BANG...BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.........................Click Click.................BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG! Walks over and takes AKS-74U and gear!
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 6:08:27 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
Click Click............BANG...............BANG.....................................BANG...BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG.........................Click Click.................BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG! Walks over and takes AKS-74U and gear!



more like......"you dont need THIS anymore, thanks..."

I'd demill that Krink, brink it back, and put it on the same wall with my Edward Robert Hughs prints, just for some jacked up irony.
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 6:16:28 PM EDT
[#24]
what a fat chunky ass muther fucker..
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 6:28:02 PM EDT
[#25]
Al-Qaeda higher ups will often be seen with krinks. They are a symbol of authority and power due their scarcity. They are the firearm equivalent to the rhino horn knife in the Moslem world.
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 7:09:21 PM EDT
[#26]
hmmm,.. no 45rd Russian bakealite mag? what a fuck ass,.OBL at least has a fucking 45rd mag.
i would have been more impressed if he has spent the $$ to get one of the rare Russian 45rd 5.45 mags than him looking like he ate a few to many camel steaks.

i mean i was a big guy when i went over,...but i got skinny as fuck while i was there,.of course ive gotten back to normal now that ive been back,...but for a supposid hard ass extremist,..he looks pretty soft,( read fat as fuck )..probally sitting around and eating to many fried pork chops,. watching porno's and smoking and drinking in a nice air conditioned room somewhere

i am really not impressed with the SAW either,...look at the top cover(rear sight is forward, and no rail on cover), and where the butt stock meets the reciver,(looks like the early non hyd. buffer folding type).. the only US troops i have seen with M-249's still in that config. are some N.G. or finance units,..in which case some asshole probally left it in the shitter,. and the SAW disappeared

but that is how the FNH mini me's ( aka. M-249 in the US )are orginally sold. so it could be a captured US one,.. but it could have been bought by anyone that deals with the Belgians.
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 7:25:07 PM EDT
[#27]
Oh, I'd love to be near him (600 meters - wind behind me - ) behind an m107 rifle and proudly whisper...

This is for Bobby, you fucker!

them KAPOW!!! followed by the sonic crack of the .50 bullet as it travels downrange at hypersonic speed.



Then see his head explode like a watermelon from a distance.



PS - Bobby was a friend of mine that was killed in Iraq back in 2004 while working as a Civilian Contractor. Godspeed!
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 7:30:12 PM EDT
[#28]
Can't some of you keyboard artists do a photoshop job on his pic??? Maybe he could be wolfing some pork or have a turban with the old style bomb with fuse? C'mon this has real potential!
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 7:30:25 PM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
... so it could be a captured US one.



More likely taken from the body of a dead US soldier or Marine; all the more resons to cap that turd off with a bullet in between the ears.

God! Let a sniper take his worthless hide off the face of this earth.
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 8:05:13 PM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:
Can't some of you keyboard artists do a photoshop job on his pic??? Maybe he could be wolfing some pork or have a turban with the old style bomb with fuse? C'mon this has real potential!




Link Posted: 4/25/2006 9:30:34 PM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:
Do you think that's a suicide belt/pouch he's got on or mags for his Krink?



That's his lunch bag, his Mom makes him wear it around his neck because the other terrorists keep taking his lunch.
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 10:41:57 PM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:

Not really what I was getting at but amusing.  I read a decent book called "My Jihad" about an American muslim who fought the Russians in Chechnya and other assorted vacation spots they hovered in starvation more often than not.



According to Templar, the guy of which you speak apparently was once a moderator on this very board.  I shit you not.  This was back before I ever joined the board.  I think it was sometime during the 90's.
Link Posted: 4/25/2006 11:53:03 PM EDT
[#33]
Is anyone intrigued how/where he got that M249? Right before we light his beard on fire, we might want to ask him how he got it to function properly with a STANAG magazine.....
Link Posted: 4/28/2006 9:42:32 PM EDT
[#34]
More likely he's never even fired an AK, much less the Krink, and they'll find him cowering down in a hole like Saddamma Crying for his Mamma.  

jmm
Link Posted: 4/29/2006 5:33:30 AM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:
More likely he's never even fired an AK, much less the Krink, and they'll find him cowering down in a hole like Saddamma Crying for his Mamma.  

jmm



Never fired an AK? Are you serious?  All these guys Bin Ladin, Zarqawi, Zawahiri, etc,. spent years fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan.  Our government spent millions subsidizing Moslem Fundamentalists in Afghanistan to give the Soviets a taste of their own medicine i.e. having to fight a well armed insurgency.  They sure weren't fighting with muskets.

Some people now say Reagan shouldn't have supported the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan because it helped give rise to Jihadists and terrorists like Bin Laden.  Well hindsight is always 20/20 but I still think it was worth it to help get rid the world of the Communist Soviet Empire.        
Link Posted: 4/29/2006 9:11:47 AM EDT
[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:
More likely he's never even fired an AK, much less the Krink, and they'll find him cowering down in a hole like Saddamma Crying for his Mamma.  

jmm



Never fired an AK? Are you serious?  All these guys Bin Ladin, Zarqawi, Zawahiri, etc,. spent years fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan.  Our government spent millions subsidizing Moslem Fundamentalists in Afghanistan to give the Soviets a taste of their own medicine i.e. having to fight a well armed insurgency.  They sure weren't fighting with muskets.

Some people now say Reagan shouldn't have supported the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan because it helped give rise to Jihadists and terrorists like Bin Laden.  Well hindsight is always 20/20 but I still think it was worth it to help get rid the world of the Communist Soviet Empire.        



+1 Afganistan was the Soviet's Vietnam. The Muj were the Soviet's VC. And I think it was worth it to help cripple the communists, although I think I would rather train to fight a war in temperate Europe that will never come than have to go to the desert and get shot at for real. It doesnt matter though. They have turned against us and we are making them pay for it, hard.
Link Posted: 4/29/2006 2:36:34 PM EDT
[#37]
Given my ignorance of Zarqawi's past, I decided to do a little research.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zarqawi

Article says he went to Afghanistan, but the Soviets were already on the way out by the time he arrived.

He's credited with several bombings and maybe a beheading, nothing much about skill in combat with small arms.  Perhaps he has trained with them and is skilled, but his history and picture looks more like he sits at the table alot and wires up IED's.  Still dangerous, agreed, but not a rifleman.

Thanks for the prod, I needed the education.

jmm
Link Posted: 4/29/2006 2:43:43 PM EDT
[#38]
What is the porpoise of the Krink or any gun behind him, stupid fuck should realize the CIA will friggin stick a mcrosope up his ass get the serial number off the Krink and possibly trace him, any friggin clue will help catch this MF'er, although I like the wood on the Krink though it looks laminated...
Link Posted: 4/29/2006 3:12:16 PM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:
What is the porpoise of the Krink or any gun behind him, stupid fuck should realize the CIA will friggin stick a mcrosope up his ass get the serial number off the Krink and possibly trace him, any friggin clue will help catch this MF'er, although I like the wood on the Krink though it looks laminated...



It is functionally the same as sidearms were in Europe a long time ago-a status symbol. It means "I am the HTIC"
Link Posted: 4/30/2006 11:27:53 AM EDT
[#40]

Quoted:

Quoted:
What is the porpoise of the Krink or any gun behind him, stupid fuck should realize the CIA will friggin stick a mcrosope up his ass get the serial number off the Krink and possibly trace him, any friggin clue will help catch this MF'er, although I like the wood on the Krink though it looks laminated...



It is functionally the same as sidearms were in Europe a long time ago-a status symbol. It means "I am the HTIC"

I gotta admit I like the color of the handguards, I know Kvar has a set simiiar for sale, I believe they are Russian.
Link Posted: 4/30/2006 12:46:54 PM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
What is the porpoise of the Krink or any gun behind him, stupid fuck should realize the CIA will friggin stick a mcrosope up his ass get the serial number off the Krink and possibly trace him, any friggin clue will help catch this MF'er, although I like the wood on the Krink though it looks laminated...



It is functionally the same as sidearms were in Europe a long time ago-a status symbol. It means "I am the HTIC"

I gotta admit I like the color of the handguards, I know Kvar has a set simiiar for sale, I believe they are Russian.



I dont want to buy a set or build a clone to look just like his. I want to take his during EPW.
Link Posted: 4/30/2006 12:57:12 PM EDT
[#42]

Quoted:
Given my ignorance of Zarqawi's past, I decided to do a little research.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zarqawi

Article says he went to Afghanistan, but the Soviets were already on the way out by the time he arrived.

He's credited with several bombings and maybe a beheading, nothing much about skill in combat with small arms.  Perhaps he has trained with them and is skilled, but his history and picture looks more like he sits at the table alot and wires up IED's.  Still dangerous, agreed, but not a rifleman.

Thanks for the prod, I needed the education.

jmm



yeah, and you believe wikipedia.....They let any kook with a keyboard get on there and tell what they think....
Link Posted: 4/30/2006 1:00:47 PM EDT
[#43]
Without extra feeder paw springs and a source of parts that SAW will be bolt action or less in under 1000 rds anyway.  No way THOSE guys will give it the TLC and PMCS it needs to stay in working order.
Link Posted: 4/30/2006 1:40:37 PM EDT
[#44]
yeah, and you believe wikipedia.....They let any kook with a keyboard get on there and tell what they think

That is different from this forum how, exactly?  Unless your comment was sarcasm, in which case it was humorous.

I don't take Wiki as gospel, but at least they typically note outside sources for further research.  The other sources seemed to agree wiith Wiki's assessment.

jmm
Link Posted: 4/30/2006 2:00:03 PM EDT
[#45]
My guess is that his ak is now tapcorized
Link Posted: 4/30/2006 2:06:32 PM EDT
[#46]

Quoted:

What kind of AK does Zarqawi have?    



The one that will be shoved up his fucking ass!



Read the thread title and was going to post the exact phrase.


The one that will be shoved up his fucking ass!
Link Posted: 4/30/2006 2:10:56 PM EDT
[#47]
Does anyone think he gives a shit if his AK is "authentic"?
Link Posted: 5/1/2006 4:58:43 AM EDT
[#48]
Just reading some of the posts on the Zarqawi stuff.  I'm currently working in Baghdad doing intel/security work and my daily grind is dealing with these things.  Zarqawi is a Sunni from Jordan and his kind are very much the minority here.  His group is attributed to several beheadings, execution killings, bombings, etc. but nothing of major note in comparison to what the Shiite-dominated security forces we put in place here are doing to the people and us.  

He more than likely got his AKS-74U from his Chechen merc buddies who came here as snipers.  And yes, there are a lot of US weapons out here to include M4's, M16A2's, SAW's, and 240B's.  Getting ammo for them is a problem, though.  But they pump out videos in the marketplaces showing attacks on convoys, etc. and grabbing up our guys' guns and equipment.  Most of those scenes are 2003-2004 dated.  However, they do have a lot of our stuff.

Right now, the Iraqi security forces like the Iraqi Army, Public Order Brigades, SF, Commandos, and Police are almost entirely Shiite which take all their orders from Iran.  We are just a nuisance that pops into their compounds to check on them every so often and they are very good about doing the little dog-and-pony show for us to make us go away when we are satisfied.  They follow a guy much worse than Zarqawi called Muqtada Al-Sadr.  He runs the Jaysh Al-Mahdi or "Mahdi Army" which fought us in 2004 in Najaf until a peace arrangement was brokered with them.  And his buddy, a guy named Al-Hakim (who incidently is the Vice Presidnet of Iraq) runs the Bader Corps - Iraqi military dissidents that fled to Iran with their tanks, etc. for 15 years and received training/equipment from Iran.  Hakim is not even Iraqi -he's an Iranian citizen.  Bader Corps and the Mahdi Army run all the security forces in Iraq.  Iranian intelligence agents make up a part of the Iraqi Ministry of Interior which controls the security forces and it's controlled by Iran now.  The "insurgents" we've come to hear about on the news and from the briefings by the military are mostly Sunnis fighting the Iranian-directed Iraqi forces because they are angry that they see us helping them.  By day we train those guys and at night they go do the executions and round-ups of the Sunnis throughout Baghdad on unauthorized raids.  But when they round up 20 guys without any reason, they simply tell us they are "insurgents" and we buy it.  And, of course, they use the mosques or husseiniyahs (Shiite mosques) to plan and coordinate their attacks on the Sunnis as they know we can't touch them in there.  A couple months ago on the news when they talked about the raid that was conducted on the prayer room here, the Shiites called it a mosque and the entire Baghdad City Council broke off all relations with the US military.  However, a tortured Sunni man was found and rescued in it, along with tons of weapons and Al-Sadr propaganda.  The Ministry of Interior stayed neutral and quiet but was upset.  But that is almost all Shiite mosques here.        

Zarqawi has directed all Sunnis to fight the Iranian-backed Iraqi government as they are Shiite and hate each other.  So, every Muslim merc throughout the area has either come here or is still here fighting us and the Iraqi security forces.  And the Iraqi security/military forces put the IED's out on the street and make us believe they're put their by something called "insurgents."  We've seen the Iraqi Police place them, we've seen the Iraqi Police fire at Sunni mosques.  Neither side is good but Al-Sadr hates us and needs only to be told by Iran to turn on us overtly.  We've already had run-ins with the Mahdi Army and Bader Corps agents but were told to let them go as they are with the government.  So lots of the people here believe we support the Shiite's side because we (Us military) roll with them knowing every Shiite mosque is a torture facility and jail for Sunnis that the Iraqi Police use.  

Sorry to write so much but just wanted to get guys reading this to understand partly about the civil war that is truly going on here.  The Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah from Lebanon send guys here for a 3-month training program.  Chechen, Kuwaiti, Jordanian, Syrian, Afghan, and other mercs come here to help both sides.  The Iranians send the Bader Corps and Mahdi Army weapons and Iranian advisors which are openly received by Iraqi government representatives to be transported to Baghdad's Sadr City for distribution to police/military units.  All of which we know goes on every day, none of which the US military here will touch because of politics.  Frustrating.  But off-topic now and my apologies.
Link Posted: 5/1/2006 8:00:43 AM EDT
[#49]

Quoted:
My guess is that his ak is now tapcorized



That means when he is getting shot by Marines his handguards will melt and his six position stock will break! Not to forget his 4x26 scope will be out of sight because he mounted it on the dust cover!
I guess we can all thank tapco for that one.
Link Posted: 5/1/2006 11:50:41 AM EDT
[#50]

Quoted:
Just reading some of the posts on the Zarqawi stuff.  I'm currently working in Baghdad doing intel/security work and my daily grind is dealing with these things.  Zarqawi is a Sunni from Jordan and his kind are very much the minority here.  His group is attributed to several beheadings, execution killings, bombings, etc. but nothing of major note in comparison to what the Shiite-dominated security forces we put in place here are doing to the people and us.  

He more than likely got his AKS-74U from his Chechen merc buddies who came here as snipers.  And yes, there are a lot of US weapons out here to include M4's, M16A2's, SAW's, and 240B's.  Getting ammo for them is a problem, though.  But they pump out videos in the marketplaces showing attacks on convoys, etc. and grabbing up our guys' guns and equipment.  Most of those scenes are 2003-2004 dated.  However, they do have a lot of our stuff.

Right now, the Iraqi security forces like the Iraqi Army, Public Order Brigades, SF, Commandos, and Police are almost entirely Shiite which take all their orders from Iran.  We are just a nuisance that pops into their compounds to check on them every so often and they are very good about doing the little dog-and-pony show for us to make us go away when we are satisfied.  They follow a guy much worse than Zarqawi called Muqtada Al-Sadr.  He runs the Jaysh Al-Mahdi or "Mahdi Army" which fought us in 2004 in Najaf until a peace arrangement was brokered with them.  And his buddy, a guy named Al-Hakim (who incidently is the Vice Presidnet of Iraq) runs the Bader Corps - Iraqi military dissidents that fled to Iran with their tanks, etc. for 15 years and received training/equipment from Iran.  Hakim is not even Iraqi -he's an Iranian citizen.  Bader Corps and the Mahdi Army run all the security forces in Iraq.  Iranian intelligence agents make up a part of the Iraqi Ministry of Interior which controls the security forces and it's controlled by Iran now.  The "insurgents" we've come to hear about on the news and from the briefings by the military are mostly Sunnis fighting the Iranian-directed Iraqi forces because they are angry that they see us helping them.  By day we train those guys and at night they go do the executions and round-ups of the Sunnis throughout Baghdad on unauthorized raids.  But when they round up 20 guys without any reason, they simply tell us they are "insurgents" and we buy it.  And, of course, they use the mosques or husseiniyahs (Shiite mosques) to plan and coordinate their attacks on the Sunnis as they know we can't touch them in there.  A couple months ago on the news when they talked about the raid that was conducted on the prayer room here, the Shiites called it a mosque and the entire Baghdad City Council broke off all relations with the US military.  However, a tortured Sunni man was found and rescued in it, along with tons of weapons and Al-Sadr propaganda.  The Ministry of Interior stayed neutral and quiet but was upset.  But that is almost all Shiite mosques here.        

Zarqawi has directed all Sunnis to fight the Iranian-backed Iraqi government as they are Shiite and hate each other.  So, every Muslim merc throughout the area has either come here or is still here fighting us and the Iraqi security forces.  And the Iraqi security/military forces put the IED's out on the street and make us believe they're put their by something called "insurgents."  We've seen the Iraqi Police place them, we've seen the Iraqi Police fire at Sunni mosques.  Neither side is good but Al-Sadr hates us and needs only to be told by Iran to turn on us overtly.  We've already had run-ins with the Mahdi Army and Bader Corps agents but were told to let them go as they are with the government.  So lots of the people here believe we support the Shiite's side because we (Us military) roll with them knowing every Shiite mosque is a torture facility and jail for Sunnis that the Iraqi Police use.  

Sorry to write so much but just wanted to get guys reading this to understand partly about the civil war that is truly going on here.  The Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah from Lebanon send guys here for a 3-month training program.  Chechen, Kuwaiti, Jordanian, Syrian, Afghan, and other mercs come here to help both sides.  The Iranians send the Bader Corps and Mahdi Army weapons and Iranian advisors which are openly received by Iraqi government representatives to be transported to Baghdad's Sadr City for distribution to police/military units.  All of which we know goes on every day, none of which the US military here will touch because of politics.  Frustrating.  But off-topic now and my apologies.

sorry to quote you in entireity but that was the best post on Iraq I have seen in a while, it reminds me of the joke about Vietnam...."You take all the good people out of Vietnam and you put them them on a boat, then you proceed with killing all the bad guys, and after you kill all the bad guys you sink the boat....
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