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Posted: 9/25/2005 6:30:10 AM EDT
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The cars that I've shot inside of 100 yards, the 7.62x39mm went right on through. That includes the current lead core stuff, not just the older Chinese steel core stuff.
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Posted: 9/25/2005 8:41:13 AM EDT
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Cardoors, unless armoured, aren't much cover....just about anything flying over 300 m/sec will punch trough...if it still has enough velocity and form to do damage remains to be seen.
You can trust a typical fmj rifle round to have all that... |
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Posted: 9/25/2005 12:50:21 PM EDT
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So the question isn't whether I need a .308 ( everybody needs 1), but when do I need it, and I was to get one .308, which one should I get ??
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Posted: 9/25/2005 12:57:38 PM EDT
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The 7.62x39 roughly equates to a Winchester 30-30 which isn't bad, but it's not in the samee league as the .308. Which .308 to choose? For semi-auto, I would look at an M1A, for a bolt gun, a Remington 700 series. Good luck.
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Posted: 9/25/2005 12:58:56 PM EDT
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Forget the AR get an AK in 7.62X39 and a .308 I suggest a Fal or even a PTR91/Cetme. M1A has a high costs and is not really any more reliable. When shooting through cover there is more to consider than car bodies. 5.56 will not shoot through trees of any discernable thickness either. Also with 5.56 you must score more hits on average. You do not get hit 2-6 times with any 7.62 rifle round and keep fighting.
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Posted: 9/25/2005 1:04:18 PM EDT
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right, you do no get hit with a 5.56 2-6 TIMES AND KEEP FIGHTING EITHER, what a load of crap |
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Posted: 9/25/2005 1:08:40 PM EDT
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I'd rather be shot 6 times with 7.62x39 than 5.56mm M193. YMMV. |
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Posted: 9/25/2005 1:10:23 PM EDT
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7.62x39 ~= 30-30
7.62x54 (ala SVD, FPK, PKM, Mosin) ~= .308 As for hit-and-keep-fighting stories, there are plenty of medal citations from WWII (on all sides) that show what someone can still manage to do after being hit with (8mm Mauser, 303 Brit, 30-06, 7.62x54R)... So it should stand to reason that the same will be possible with the current generation of assault-weapon loads... |
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Posted: 9/25/2005 1:38:35 PM EDT
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1919A4 
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Posted: 9/25/2005 2:45:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/25/2005 4:59:54 PM EDT
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What "exactly" is this......newbie here |
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Posted: 9/25/2005 5:03:06 PM EDT
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DSA StG-58A, it's the finest post 89 FAL sold. I like 'em!   |
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Posted: 9/25/2005 5:08:40 PM EDT
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Trade you my Romy for it. I'll throw in a sling and a Jennings Pistol
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Posted: 9/25/2005 5:57:56 PM EDT
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Damn, how could I refuse a deal like that?  www.dsarms.com |
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Posted: 9/25/2005 6:49:25 PM EDT
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If I didn't know you were full of BS, I'd ask you to show proof. 
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Posted: 9/25/2005 7:21:53 PM EDT
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Performance aside, "That has a High Coolness Factor." Are the prices on the web site what you pay or just what they advertise? I gotta go with the Desert Cammo. |
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Posted: 9/25/2005 8:48:51 PM EDT
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There is very little margin with DSA for a dealer. You're going to be paying pretty close to retail on their stuff. |
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Posted: 9/25/2005 9:51:53 PM EDT
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7.62x39 is an obsolete round.
It has a lot of positives, though. It's cheap, readily available, and the guns that shoot it are affordable. It's reasonably effective. 5.45 is better if you really want an AK. I like AKs, I have both calibers. ARs too. 5.56 is better for most things. .308 may be better for others. I just bought a G1 on an Imbel for $650 with 12 magazines and 200 rounds of USGI .308. That kind of cash probably wouldn't get you a barrelled action if you were looking at M14/M1A parts... and we haven't even gotten to the price of magazines yet. |
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Posted: 9/25/2005 9:54:31 PM EDT
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I know 2 Fallujah vets, and a Sammarah vet that would tell you otherwise. Unless you scored chest or head they often would continue fighting till they bled out. |
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Posted: 9/25/2005 10:28:06 PM EDT
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No shit, SHOT PLACEMENT is more important than caliber. I am an OEF vet, and I know several guys who were shot with 7.62x39 rounds and survived. Does this mean that all 7.62x39 wounds are non-fatal? Of course not. |
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Posted: 9/26/2005 3:46:24 AM EDT
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For military use, yes. But as you've said it isn't without it's own set of benefits. The 7.62mm X 39mm is a mid-range round, where as the .308 caliber is a high powered round. For 300 meters or less the 7.62mm round is still very effective. The higher recoil of the .308 might prove to be a negative for mid-range tactical use. I'm not saying that it can't be used for mid-range stuff, I'm just saying the lower recoil of the 7.62mm would make follow up shots easier. The AK47 has proven itself effective at those distances on the battlefields of the past. The 5.45mm X 39mm round that replaced it just followed along with the same ideals for a mid-range weapon: low-recoil = better follow up shot capability & possibly accuracy too. |
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