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Posted: 8/17/2005 6:09:47 PM EDT
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The Israelis haven't produced the full size Galil in years, neither have the South Africans.
There won't be anymore imported. The Afrikaners did import some R series rifle that was a pump action, which was a marketing flop. |
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Posted: 8/17/2005 6:13:21 PM EDT
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You can still find the full size kits available as well as the micros. Micros get pretty steep though. In the $2000 range for just the kits.
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Posted: 8/17/2005 6:20:45 PM EDT
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Good question, what did make them cost so much more? Or is it the simple fact than not as many are stateside in the first place?
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Posted: 8/17/2005 6:26:00 PM EDT
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Galils were ALWAYS expensive. Those of us who were in the game in the '80s remember that a Action Arms Galil ARM in 5.56mm ran about $875.00 when a Colt AR-15A2 ran $789.95. These are 1989 prices (I just checked one of my old mags). You could typically find AR's for a lot less though After the '89 ban, prices on iported rifles shot up.
Forged and milled steel AK receivers have always been, and always will be expensive. |
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Posted: 8/17/2005 6:29:26 PM EDT
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If I remember correctly, I paid about $750 for my Galil AR in 1987. That was alot of $$ back then. |
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Posted: 8/17/2005 6:34:08 PM EDT
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Any idea why? Labor more expensive in Israel? Better materials? Just wondering... Spooky |
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Posted: 8/17/2005 6:38:09 PM EDT
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I believe that the Guatemalans where producing Galils under contract--are they still doing so I wonder?
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Posted: 8/17/2005 6:39:56 PM EDT
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Forging and milling a steel receiver is a whole lot more expensive than forging and milling an aluminum receiver (AR/M16) or stamping sheet metal (AKM, HK9X series).
Cost of materials, labor, and transport over to the US all drove costs up. Israel stopped producing the Galil because of two main reasons..... 1) Cost. They get M16's from the US for next to nothing, and it was just too expensive to produce the Galil. 2) Weight. Enough of the IDF complained about the weight that they relegated the Galil to the Armored Corps and Artillery. Some reserves may still have Galils, but they've been getting M16's since the Yom Kippur War and it hasn't let up yet. |
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Posted: 8/17/2005 6:40:27 PM EDT
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I'm asking because I'm looking to get a high quality rifle in .223 and don't want to buy an AR.
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Posted: 8/17/2005 6:41:20 PM EDT
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How much scratch do you want to lay down, and what caliber are you looking to get? |
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Posted: 8/17/2005 6:44:34 PM EDT
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.223, And I dont know how much $ down... I have some dough but not enough for what I'm looking for  College is expensive 
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Posted: 8/17/2005 6:47:43 PM EDT
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Thanks! Those look like plenty of reasons to be three times as expensive... Spooky |
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Posted: 8/17/2005 7:00:46 PM EDT
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Once you see how much it will cost you.....You'll rethink that AR comment. If you're on a budget and want a high quality .223 rifle but don't want an AR. You've pretty much killed you're best all round choice. IMO find a good pencil barrel Carbine, get an IDF sling. Some USGI mags, and shoot the shit out of it. I have two pencil barrel 20 inch rifles. I love em. One and orginal M16 and another USGI pencil barrel I built up on a M4 flat top upper, they shoot nice! And can be carried all day. Just my 2 cents. 
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Posted: 8/17/2005 7:00:54 PM EDT
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Couple of my old Galils....I prefer the AR to the ARM, since the bipod adds a fair amount of weight to an already weighty rifle.
Model 386, 16" 5.56mm.     Model 329, 18" 7.62x51mm. 
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Posted: 8/17/2005 7:01:53 PM EDT
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More than a fair amount of wisdom there. 
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Posted: 8/17/2005 7:04:51 PM EDT
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Still need a Galil for the collection and a Valmet 
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Posted: 8/17/2005 8:50:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/17/2005 10:01:11 PM EDT
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Besides the base price of the rifle, you still have to factor in import costs (normally importers charge about 3x the base price), wholesale and retail profit margins..
Also, the Israelis are not 3rd world slave workers for $100 a month like in Romania. |
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Posted: 8/18/2005 7:13:23 AM EDT
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That's true... But I don't think the price should be more than 1k for a Galil. I might buy an AR since there is no other option or I might save $1700 and get the Ohio Rapid Fire, but I dont think so. The price tag is too much... A $800 Bushmaster sounds a lot better to me! lol Still not the reliability I'm looking for 
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Posted: 8/18/2005 7:18:53 AM EDT
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Well........believe it or not I've let my Colts get filthy and they still work fine. The AR isn't the prima donna that alot of people think it is, but the less you fuck with it the more reliable it stays, kind of like a 1911.
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Posted: 8/18/2005 8:18:51 AM EDT
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Just the way it is... ARs do get a bad rap though, mostly by substandard civilian parts/rifles.. Have had no problems with my issued M4A1, but then again, I take care of it. Better stop before it becomes an AR v AK thread...
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Posted: 8/18/2005 10:57:47 AM EDT
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I have been told that the Colombians are still building the Galil. They use it in 5.56 and Guantemala uses it in 7.62x51 IIRC. Maybe what I was told is incorrect, but I suspect that some are still being produced somewhere, at least in small batches, or the Israelis are selling off their old ones as they receive more M16s. Certainly, none are being built for import as sporting weapons, for sure.
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Posted: 8/18/2005 11:01:38 AM EDT
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All the Galils in use by South American forces (they do allot of peace keeping in the Balkans) were all Israeli; One army issued both.. Most with 5.56, some with 7.62 |
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Posted: 8/18/2005 11:17:15 AM EDT
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Interesting...Thank You Stottman. (Edited so I couud spell "Stottman" correctly!  )
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Posted: 8/18/2005 1:43:52 PM EDT
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the south korean dawoo is a great rifle and is fairly cheap.
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Posted: 8/18/2005 2:47:53 PM EDT
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Yeah my dad has a Old Colt 1960s circa that he still shoots now and then, but doesn't clean it. I was thinking about getting around to it and cleaning it......but just haven't made the rounds yet. Reliability isn't really an issue with ARs these days. You should have one. Hell I have 8 complete ARs, two complete uppers and 3 stripped lowers! They are superb Rifles you won't have any problems with them. Stick with RRA or Bushmaster. Of course there are other brands, LMT, CMT |
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