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Posted: 8/18/2004 4:06:51 PM EDT

I have one safe that I am not able to keep in climate controlled conditions. I just opened it for the first time this year (

), and found some light mold on some of the stocks.

I have oiled the hell out of them and am ready to put them away, but I obviously need to do something about the humidity. Desicant packs do not work very long here, but I have a Golden Rod.

Problem is, you have to plug it in. The safe is a Remington brand safe, so it is pretty thick. How do I run the chord inside of it? Running it through the door and closing on the chord can not be a good idea. Do I need to drill a hole in my safe to run the chord through? Seams odd to do this.

Is there a better way? An I missing something here?

Thanks

Posted: 8/18/2004 4:36:08 PM EDT

[#1]

Is it fire rated?

Posted: 8/18/2004 4:37:29 PM EDT

[#2]

Yes. It is a top notch safe, just not moisture proof.

Posted: 8/18/2004 5:07:04 PM EDT

[#3]

Are you sure that there isn't a hole for that purpose already in the safe?
It will be small, probably 1/4" in diameter, only big enough to run the cord through. You attach the plug after the cord is extended outside the safe. Look low , towards the rear of the safe.

Posted: 8/18/2004 5:11:02 PM EDT

[#4]

Any top quality safe has a hole expressly for corded lights and rods.......it will likely have a grommet over it.

Posted: 8/18/2004 5:18:42 PM EDT

[#5]

Hey Ober,check about a foot from the base on the back of the safe.If you still don't find a hole,spray everything down with WD-40,it will leave a film on your rifles that will last awhile.

Posted: 8/18/2004 5:21:18 PM EDT

[#6]

I remember now that there were some plugs in the bottom, and I think one towards the rear bottom. I put them in and RTV'ed over them to help keep the weather out.

Thanks guys. looks like I have some work to do.

"Honey (7 months pregnant), can you hold this 700 pound safe up while I poke my head under there for a minute or two?"

Posted: 8/18/2004 5:26:14 PM EDT

[#7]

You should also have an access port to it from inside the safe.....you may just need a new drill bit or two to get through the RTV gunk.....

Posted: 8/18/2004 5:39:40 PM EDT

[#8]

I would get it off of the floor also. Or put a moisture barrier underneath it, or both.
Also consider if it's pretty much air tight and you place a weapon in there that is damp, it really won't dry out and may mold as stated.

Mark

Posted: 8/18/2004 5:46:01 PM EDT

[#9]

Safes ain't air-tite!! Find the hole or make a new one. Install that Golden Rod AND keep a BIG dessicant pack in there. (Gave 20 bucks for a monster for one of my safes - solved the problem.)

Posted: 8/18/2004 5:56:33 PM EDT

[#10]

Dessicant in a safe is useless! ....trust me my company sells the stuff by the 55 gal drums....I can get all that crap you want! The first time you open the safe....you need to "recharge" the dessicant. It can actually do more harm than good as it absorbs moisture, and if left there long enough actually cause the metal to rust. I was even told this by the factory reps. In a short answer all that dessicant is "drywall" If you want a chemical barrier look for a product made by "Cortec", namely a VCI inhibitor. This product emitts a chemical that adhears to metal, and forms a barrier against the rust. It is all I use in my safe, and I have never had one minute of problem. It is what they use on offshore oil rigs to keep tools, etc from rusting in the sea air.

...online link

www.vcicoatings.com/cortecprod1.htm

they are mostly indutrial sales thru that site, but there is also some that are consumer packed under the "BullFrog" line.

If there is enough interest in these, I will purchase a case at my cost and we can split them, they have a safe life of about 18 months.

Posted: 8/18/2004 6:37:12 PM EDT

[#11]

I have to agree with Jeepcreep the long term storage vci paper I use to wrap my blanks in keeps the corroision away better than anything I,ve tried.
My unheated shop is about 600 yards from the pacific ocean and we get 60 to 100 inches of rain a year.

Posted: 8/18/2004 7:18:54 PM EDT

[#12]

Be careful, IIRC, most fire rated safes cannot be drilled or they will lose their fire rating. You might be able to find some fire rated caulk to seal it up.

Posted: 8/19/2004 3:14:08 AM EDT

[#13]

all safes have holes in them from the factory.

usually, there is a threaded lifting eye hole in the top/center.

remy safes have a hole for light/heater wires at the bottom/left...when viewed from the front. find it from the rear exterior wall of the sage and remove the plastic plug.

as mickey sytated, no (more accurately stated as very, very few) safe is air tight. the gasketed safes don't achieve a closure until the extreme tempurature of a house fire swells the gasket.

Posted: 8/19/2004 3:17:47 AM EDT

[#14]

depending on the size (30-gun and up) of the safe and humidity conditions, i run TWO goldenrod (actually, i use watlow industrial units with higher wattages) heaters...one on each bottom/side wall of the safe.

i may not be in the 'long term storage' safe for months. if a heater fails, the backup is still working.

btw, ober...old leather slings used to mold on me!!! i hated that!

Posted: 8/19/2004 3:26:12 AM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:
I have to agree with Jeepcreep the long term storage vci paper I use to wrap my blanks in keeps the corroision away better than anything I,ve tried.

...I recently wrapped all my mags that I have stuck away in my "cave" in the VCI paper...good stuff!

Posted: 8/19/2004 10:58:57 AM EDT

[#16]

Move to Aridzona?

Posted: 8/19/2004 12:57:53 PM EDT

[#17]

VCI paper?

Posted: 8/19/2004 1:07:10 PM EDT

[#18]

Move to Aridzona?

yeah...it's a dry heat!

Posted: 8/19/2004 1:33:52 PM EDT

[#19]

I would rather move to Alaska. I can do cold. I can't do heat.

Oddly enough, there was no problem with the leather. I keep it in good condition though - religously.

I have never had a wood or even synthetic stock mold problem before.

Posted: 8/19/2004 2:11:47 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
VCI paper?

Vapor Corrosion Inhibitor

from Corroless Corrosion Control:

"VCI technology works by emitting a vapour which forms a microscopic layer on metal surfaces. This layer has considerable anticorrosive properties and prevents steel and other metals from corroding. Therefore, not only surfaces which are in direct contact with the Corroless product, but also areas in contained void or airspaces above the product, will be protected from corrosion."

Posted: 8/19/2004 2:18:44 PM EDT

[#21]

Cool, now, where would I find a case or so of this magical substace?

Posted: 8/19/2004 3:23:55 PM EDT

[#22]

....apparently Obe dosen't click on Jeeplinks

www.vcicoatings.com/cortecprod1.htm

Posted: 8/19/2004 4:13:02 PM EDT

[#23]

Oooops. Brain fart.

Posted: 8/19/2004 4:18:34 PM EDT

[#24]

If you have a hole on the top of the safe, Make sure it is open as well. The golden rod is placed on the bottom of the safe and it lightly heats the interior air in the safe as long as there is a slight differance from the interior and exterior air you should be ok , this should dispell the moisture in the safe thru the top of the safe as heat rises.

Posted: 8/19/2004 5:28:25 PM EDT

[#25]

The way Goldenrods work is they raise the dew point. The moisture is still there, it just can't condense on the metalwork.

Mold can still pull moisture from the air and grow on leather and wood but the metal is protected.

Posted: 8/19/2004 5:35:51 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
Move to Aridzona?

Unless you live where the monsoon rains hit every day this time of year.

Posted: 8/19/2004 5:39:43 PM EDT

[#27]

Had about 3 inches today.

The garage has flooded to about 3 inches deep 4 times in the last 24 hours.

Posted: 8/19/2004 9:50:19 PM EDT

[#28]

some more vci product links www.uline.com/Group_89.asp

Posted: 8/24/2004 10:30:32 AM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
Dessicant in a safe is useless! ....trust me my company sells the stuff by the 55 gal drums....I can get all that crap you want! The first time you open the safe....you need to "recharge" the dessicant. It can actually do more harm than good as it absorbs moisture, and if left there long enough actually cause the metal to rust. I was even told this by the factory reps. In a short answer all that dessicant is "drywall" If you want a chemical barrier look for a product made by "Cortec", namely a VCI inhibitor. This product emitts a chemical that adhears to metal, and forms a barrier against the rust. It is all I use in my safe, and I have never had one minute of problem. It is what they use on offshore oil rigs to keep tools, etc from rusting in the sea air.

...online link

www.vcicoatings.com/cortecprod1.htm

they are mostly indutrial sales thru that site, but there is also some that are consumer packed under the "BullFrog" line.

If there is enough interest in these, I will purchase a case at my cost and we can split them, they have a safe life of about 18 months.

I'd be interested in one or two of the Bullfrog Rust Shields. Can I get one direct from you?

Thanks.

Posted: 8/24/2004 11:07:38 AM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
If you still don't find a hole,spray everything down with WD-40,it will leave a film on your rifles that will last awhile.

WD40 is just 10% stoddard cleaner added to water for delivery. Ie water dispersed stoddard cleaner #40. Its just a penetrating cleaner that is water based. There is no protecting qualities to it. Lots of people end up with rusted guns, fishing poles etc as a result.

Posted: 8/25/2004 3:41:36 PM EDT

[#31]

I contacted them. They are $25. Heyzeus H keyrist, I could buy a vacume pump for what it would cost me to buy enough!!!!!

Posted: 8/25/2004 5:02:20 PM EDT

[#32]

you can still buy cosmoline substitutes.

ober, the rain has been been amazing, AGAIN, this year.

i do invest in a few stainless firearms. if i can get it in stainless..i do!

Posted: 8/25/2004 5:11:50 PM EDT

[#33]

You running a de-humidifier outside> Drop my interior ambient humidity by a fair amount in the summers - not a worry winters.

Luck
Alac

Posted: 8/25/2004 5:41:25 PM EDT

[#34]

Campy, I do buy stainless when I can, but Mausers and AK's are hard to come by in that type of finish.

The other safes are in climate controled areas, just no more room, so this one had to have a room built around it. Safe storage was the main concern over humidity when built.

Posted: 8/25/2004 5:48:38 PM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:
[I'd be interested in one or two of the Bullfrog Rust Shields. Can I get one direct from you?

Actually no, the "BullFrog" brand is a consumer version of the industrial product. (VCI), I think you can buy the BullFrog products in fishing supply stores...especially in Fla.

Posted: 8/26/2004 5:40:36 AM EDT

[#36]

Here`where I get mine.

www.action-electronics.com/bfemitter.htm

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