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Posted: 7/20/2004 3:45:50 PM EDT
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It gets worse by the minute.
Jokin called out for goofing off when they should have been filling orders |
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Posted: 7/20/2004 3:47:05 PM EDT
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Sadly as long as fools order from JOKEN, fools will get screwed.
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Posted: 7/20/2004 3:50:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/20/2004 3:53:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/20/2004 4:00:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/20/2004 4:04:53 PM EDT
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Looks like Jokin is just a garage instead of a real business/storefront.
Jokin refuses to let customer visit store |
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Posted: 7/20/2004 4:10:55 PM EDT
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Won't be long before Cockhunt comes along and bans anyone talking shit about his vendor (which I'm sure he gets kickbacks from).
Buyer Beware!!!! |
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Posted: 7/20/2004 4:13:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/20/2004 4:17:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/20/2004 4:21:31 PM EDT
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Appears Jokin may be giving up on their main supplier and going with Rapid Fire Ohio.
We are sorry for selling you crap, we will try to offer better products |
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Posted: 7/20/2004 4:25:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/20/2004 4:25:53 PM EDT
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You've got to be kidding me. Red Faction pads his post count (210 to 218) with accounts of poor service from Jokin?! Thank you, Mr. Obvious!
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Posted: 7/20/2004 4:27:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/20/2004 4:41:03 PM EDT
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Seem's like they would just do it right the first time instead of going thru this crap over and over again..Hell of a way to build up a on line buisness.....
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Posted: 7/20/2004 4:52:44 PM EDT
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703 Airport Rd, Winslow, AZ 86047...Website Registration Address of Jokin
But they have another address for their business phone......Strange..... 410 E 2nd St, Winslow, AZ 86047...Business Phone Address of Jokin |
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Posted: 7/20/2004 4:54:42 PM EDT
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Best to give us at least snippets from the threads, as per usual goonsnet is down, or the threads have been deleted. |
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Posted: 7/20/2004 5:19:46 PM EDT
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Who fucking cares. If you are stupid enough to buy from this crook you get what you deserve.
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Posted: 7/20/2004 5:26:03 PM EDT
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Thats all those idiots know how to do when they get their tits cought in the grinder, is file a slander lawsuit.... I just love it.. How in the hell is posting the truth about a bad company considered slander??? What I really love is how the head penial implant in charge tells his minions that they should not buy from the reputable companies we buy from, rather they should spend their money at Jokeing, on Hexxe garbage...hehehehe |
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Posted: 7/20/2004 6:01:16 PM EDT
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Whats that they say about a fool and his money? In truth, anyone really in the know about AKs is hear already and already knows better. Why bother with those fools?
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Posted: 7/20/2004 6:48:23 PM EDT
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I wonder if Joken operates of of a chicken coop ?
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Posted: 7/20/2004 6:53:46 PM EDT
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And to think I was banned for bad mouthing them when my deal for mags went bad.
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Posted: 7/20/2004 7:05:19 PM EDT
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Nothing but the facts. Better Business Bureau Online JOE KEN FIREARMS 410 E Second St. Winslow, AZ 86047 Principal: Tom Fisco Phone Number: 928-289-6429 Web Site Address: www.joeken.com The information in this report has either been provided by the company, or has been compiled by the Bureau from other sources. CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE Based on BBB files, this company has an unsatisfactory record with the Bureau due to unanswered complaints. REPORT DATE: 07/20/2004 COPYRIGHT DATE: 2004 The Better Business Bureau STANDARD DISCLAIMER As a matter of policy, the Better Business Bureau does not endorse any product, service, or company. BBB reports generally cover a three-year reporting period, and are provided solely to assist you in exercising your own best judgment. Information contained in this report is believed reliable but not guaranteed as to accuracy. Reports are subject to change at any time. The Better Business Bureau reports on members and non-members. Membership in the BBB is voluntary. Members must meet and maintain BBB standards. If a company is a member of the BBB, it is stated in this report. |
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Posted: 7/20/2004 7:21:13 PM EDT
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Red Faction-
I know, I know. It makes you wonder how there is enough business to keep the doors open. People have been complaining for months and years. |
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Posted: 7/20/2004 7:32:29 PM EDT
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Still a few sr guys over on the other board but lots and lots of rooks. I still check in every now and then. ~ghtomrk
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Posted: 7/20/2004 7:38:51 PM EDT
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Seems like every company associated with GunGoons has had a less than stellar reputation. Not to mention raping the general membership of money, parts, guns, etc.
I have a couple of good friends over there that have had just about enough of Cockhunt and his never ending membership drives. |
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Posted: 7/21/2004 3:31:10 AM EDT
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Still a few sr guys over on the other board but lots and lots of rooks.
agreed...lots of rocks...er...rooks!! heheh! i cannot believe how this train wreck has unfolded. after the gucciano affair it would seem folks would be wiser and more careful in their purchases. this would seem to be especially true in light of the "building A" scams and the cover-ups that took place. |
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Posted: 7/21/2004 4:30:47 AM EDT
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That's just it if you just got into AK's you would never know...I hope this help's out some of the new guy's..Alway's good to do a little research...
Where the hell did my coffee go ?????? KIDS!!!!!! |
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Posted: 7/21/2004 8:47:52 AM EDT
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Amen Brother!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 7/21/2004 8:52:46 AM EDT
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I believe we've seen this happen far too often. Human nature takes over and the consumer trys to get something at the cheapest price he can find.
Do your homework people. Be an informed buyer. KF |
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Posted: 7/21/2004 9:05:33 AM EDT
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They still aren't incorporated so they have exposure as individuals.
Pending File Inquiry File Number: N11303616 Reservation Number: 55231 Corporation Name: JOEKEN FIREARMS,INC -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Designation Type: N NAME RESERVATION Pending Type Code: R NAME RESERVATION Location Code: P PHOENIX Date Received: 04/26/04 Date Returned: ? Approval Date: ? Reason Returned: BLANK Corp Type: User ID: TMPFIL06 Expedited Date: ? Expiration Date: 08/25/04 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contact: EDWARD KENNETH EWBANK III Address: 410 EAST SECOND STREET WINSLOW, AZ 86047 |
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Posted: 7/21/2004 9:31:48 AM EDT
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I get the feeling that they are running a ponzi scheme. They use the money from current orders to order merchandise to fill orders that have been placed months ago. A lot of complaints of CCs being charged the day of the order, yet the merchandise is not shipped for months if at all. Yet they have no problems putting ads in the Shotgun News. If the SGN got enough verifiable complaints from people being scammed, they would lose their right to advertise there under SGN's policy toward their advertisers.
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Posted: 7/21/2004 9:58:17 AM EDT
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I've heard they don't have enough operating capital to buy in bulk from HeXXe in order to keep items in stock. Also heard that HeXXe will not extend credit to them either. So they take all the money upfront and then buy the items from HeXXe.
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Posted: 7/21/2004 10:38:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2004 11:08:07 AM EDT
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Joekein says they are going to offer OOW receivers, and ORF built AKs..
Now I know Todd and Mike and crew love to sell guns.. More sales = more money.. But I am not sure I would associate my company with Joekin.. That might be a bad move to make??? |
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Posted: 7/21/2004 11:42:25 AM EDT
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One way or another the way they are conducting business is fishy. The bad part is that there are many mewcomers to our obsession that beleive firmly that the site they peruse (you know which site I am talking about), is the be all, end all in the field of Kalishnakov information. On that site there is no open discussion when it comes to paying sponsors, no matter how shady a sponsor is, the staff of that other site will gladly ensure that if anyone does a search looking for info on a vendor, as long as that vendor is paid up, there will be no negative posts. To say that if you send them an order you get what you desreve is not true, you could go over there and do a search and would have no reason to beleive you were dealing with anything other than an upstanding company.
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Posted: 7/21/2004 12:46:09 PM EDT
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I ordered from them once, because they were the only outfit with wood 74 kits at the time, and it took about 6 weeks for the order to arrive. My CC was charged the day I ordered the kit. This all happened before the bad reveiws started to appear. Maybe they were deleted before I saw them.
I will not order from them again. |
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Posted: 7/21/2004 1:58:39 PM EDT
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Maybe they were deleted before I saw them.
more than likely. EDWARD KENNETH EWBANK III is that anything like thurston howell III??? |
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Posted: 7/21/2004 2:00:30 PM EDT
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Now we know who watches TV Land too much..................
That Ginger was a hot one!!! |
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Posted: 7/21/2004 2:03:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2004 2:10:16 PM EDT
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Yeah I got my head ripped off because I asked where my mags were! I didn't get banned but I wish I had. |
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Posted: 7/21/2004 2:12:44 PM EDT
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I ordered a Polish PMKMS kit from them because they were giving a forum discount at you know where. My CC was charged the day of the order. The kit showed up seven and a half weeks later. |
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Posted: 7/21/2004 2:13:18 PM EDT
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So THATS where a certain company doing (is it finally finsihed yet?) a group buy learned to do business.
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Posted: 7/21/2004 2:22:07 PM EDT
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Heh, Joeken stuff is always fun to watch!
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Posted: 7/21/2004 4:25:37 PM EDT
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Looks like the jokin sales rep has been doing understudy work for the Navy Seal. Threatening somebody with a slander lawsuit for them voicing their suspicions is not slander! Gee, didn't the fake seal do that also? And I think the Gouch also tried that trick a number of times! I guess I'm gonna have to contact the BBB and turn in my story to add to their collection. Jokin promised me a 7.95 discount, then promply ADDED it to my total, instead of subtracting it from the total. That was back in Oct or Nov. Still no refund of the overcharge.
OJF |
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Posted: 7/21/2004 7:22:07 PM EDT
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Make sure you guys log in to .nutz and post your bad feedback under jokin's trader rating. Every month or so all the negatives get purged and I have to post negative feedback again. But at least it will warn some folks.
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Posted: 7/21/2004 8:03:26 PM EDT
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Hell, I thought it was pretty sad that they had to start a thread about the deals they didn't F up.
Hey, look at us we got a couple right!!! |
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Posted: 7/21/2004 10:42:24 PM EDT
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Who do you think sent the Guch the form letter to send out, he now gives the threatening, blank form letter to JoeKen, to try and quiet the angry mobs. Seems to me these shady business practices are not only tolerated over there, but they are appearantly perpetuated. |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 7:51:11 AM EDT
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well, p38, that's about all they can attract.
the newbs get scammed and the lies are perpetuated. dweebthorn justs keeps running his yap, just like da gooch did. |
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Posted: 7/22/2004 8:57:31 AM EDT
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Maybe instead of concentrating on BBB complaints against the vendors who seem to change semi-anually, some of those who are ripped off, maybe ought to share some of the legal lovin' with the guys who appear to be conspiring to rip them off. If it were not for somebody providing a safe haven by making sure thier reputations stay sterling then these jackasses would not be able to continue thier outrageous behaviour for nearly as long, especailly since the people providing this support are being monetarily compensated for thier services. I am aware that accepting advertising does not constitute conspiracy nor open the person who accepted the advertising to liability, but providing asssistance that leads to ongoing fraudulent business practices ddoes. I would actually think that the owners of that website would be more culpable than the business owners, I think that in a lot of cases the business owners really did get in over thier heads just as they always claim, but instead of being treated as business men who are expected to make changes to improve thier business, they are being led to continue thier shoddy practices and even guided to use underhanded tactics to avoid seeing thier potential clients being properly informed prior to sending them money.
A magazine that allows Coke to advertise on thier pages, is not responsible for a coke customer who drinks a tained coke and dies, however if that magazine owner helps to put poison in the cans, then writes articles denying anybody was hurt, and eliminates any evidence that somebody did get hurt, then they become responsible. I guess people who share such foul ethics, tend to gravitate towards each other. |
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Posted: 8/30/2004 7:00:11 AM EDT
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Check out the links above and see how many have been deleted !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If that's not a major cover-up, I don't know what is............ |
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