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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - What would you guys prefer an AR M4'gery or an Arsenal AK in 5.56? and Why? TIA

Posted: 5/8/2004 2:48:36 PM EDT

Aspects of budget, reliabity, magazines, and accessories are important concerns. Seems to me that the Arsenal AK would be the better buy but Im just a FNG?

Posted: 5/8/2004 3:03:10 PM EDT

[#1]

FNG

AR is better deal. Better accuracy, mag availability, lighter, much more accessorizable. I think the only thing the AK (.223 only) has over it is reliability, and then, that's a non-issue if you can take care of it properly.

Or you can just get both!

Posted: 5/8/2004 3:12:40 PM EDT

[#2]

I'll have to agree with Andreuha...The AR..Imo

Posted: 5/8/2004 3:45:05 PM EDT

[#3]

5.45x39.5 AK-74 over them both...I can't tell you why, you would just have to shoot one..

But if your firm in your choice, I would call the AR because of the mags for the AK being scarce.. If they were cheep I would go with the AK..

Posted: 5/8/2004 4:12:11 PM EDT

[#4]

Aspects of budget,

'bout the same.

reliabity,

ak all the way.

magazines,

ak all the way. cheap drums, too.

and accessories

m4/ar platform is the gizmo-queen of the universe.

if you have neither an ar15 or an ak-47, my advice is to get the ak first, the ar15 second.

Posted: 5/8/2004 5:24:22 PM EDT

[#5]

The AR, it's simply a more effective platform due to superior ergonomics. The reliablity is a non-issue. The AR is plenty reliable with some very minimal maintainence. Not to mention the Arsenal AK is milled and the M4gery beats the snot out of it for weight.

Posted: 5/8/2004 7:22:07 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
5.45x39.5 AK-74 over them both...I can't tell you why, you would just have to shoot one..

I was thinking the same thing

But the post was about .223. Bleh, who needs an AK in .223?

Posted: 5/8/2004 7:31:01 PM EDT

[#7]

I have an SAR-3 that is fairly light, reliable and shoots 2moa all day long. I like it just fine but my M-4gery is just so much more erg.

Posted: 5/8/2004 7:38:32 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
I have an SAR-3 that is fairly light, reliable and shoots 2moa all day long. I like it just fine but my M-4gery is just so much more erg.

Yep. Now if only there was a 5.45x39 AR

Posted: 5/8/2004 7:40:24 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
Quoted:
I have an SAR-3 that is fairly light, reliable and shoots 2moa all day long. I like it just fine but my M-4gery is just so much more erg.

Yep. Now if only there was a 5.45x39 AR

There is....the Alexander Arms Genghis! Suprise!

Posted: 5/9/2004 5:00:43 AM EDT

[#10]

"Use your standard 223 Remington AR15 magazines." ..... hmmmmmm seems to me 20's or 10 rnd blocked 20's might work, but 30's would have to be a trick.....

www.competitionshootingsports.com/catalogue/category2/category66/product794

Posted: 5/9/2004 6:41:59 AM EDT

[#11]

My understanding is that a USGI thirty will properly feed a max load of around 25 rounds.

Posted: 5/9/2004 7:01:36 AM EDT

[#12]

Well, I remembered I had a few boxes in the car (am at work).....I borrowed a few current issue 30s (adventureline, black follower) and tried:

I could "Stuff" 28 in one mag and 29 in the other, but when stripping them out by hand I had to tap the mag (recoil sim) on a table edge to free up the next 3-4 rounds, but it wasn't reliable. At 20 and below, both mags functioned as if 5.56 was loaded.

I'll be darned.

Posted: 5/10/2004 6:07:32 AM EDT

[#13]

a pseudo range......

Posted: 5/10/2004 6:34:27 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
Aspects of budget,

'bout the same.

reliabity,

ak all the way.

magazines,

ak all the way. cheap drums, too.

and accessories

m4/ar platform is the gizmo-queen of the universe.

if you have neither an ar15 or an ak-47, my advice is to get the ak first, the ar15 second.

Where are these cheap .223 cal drums at?

The question wasn't should he get an AK-47 or an AR-15. The question was should he get a .223 cal AK or an AR. Given those options, I'd say AR all the way.

Mags are not easy to come by for the .223 cal AK and they are not always reliable. Even worst, all of the .223 cal AK's have propriatory mags made just for them. Other than some old Norinco .223 cal drums which are rare and expensive (and used only in Norinco .223 cal AKs), there aren't any .223 cal drums on the market.

Now a Galil would be a much better option than a .223 cal AK. The Galil was designed from the get go to be a .223 cal platform. It's proven, reliable, and good steel mags are easy to come by.

If the question were semi auto AK-47 v/s AR-15 though, I'd opt for the AK-47 first.

Posted: 5/10/2004 7:37:50 AM EDT

[#15]

In this case I'd take the AR, but it would depend what brand. Oly Plinker no way, get the AK. Bushie, Armalite go AR.

Posted: 5/10/2004 10:09:45 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Well, I remembered I had a few boxes in the car (am at work).....I borrowed a few current issue 30s (adventureline, black follower) and tried:

I could "Stuff" 28 in one mag and 29 in the other, but when stripping them out by hand I had to tap the mag (recoil sim) on a table edge to free up the next 3-4 rounds, but it wasn't reliable. At 20 and below, both mags functioned as if 5.56 was loaded.

I'll be darned.

For the tilt caused by the different case shape, you need the black followers instead of the newer ones.

I have never heard if Toad's AR47 lower has room to lengthen the magwell for 74 mags to be used with the Genghis.

Posted: 5/10/2004 3:19:17 PM EDT

[#17]

I have this adapter that I have had for years! It lets me use AR mags with no problems feeding! Its also removable!

Posted: 5/10/2004 3:30:53 PM EDT

[#18]

I have this adapter that I have had for years! It lets me use AR mags with no problems feeding! Its also removable!

Please delete this one!

Posted: 5/11/2004 6:16:32 AM EDT

[#19]

After just sending two hours to take apart my AR to get out a stuck round out of the chamber, I'll take my SAR 3 over my AR anytime.

Posted: 5/11/2004 7:01:53 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:
After just sending two hours to take apart my AR to get out a stuck round out of the chamber, I'll take my SAR 3 over my AR anytime.

What caused the round to get stuck?

Posted: 5/11/2004 8:28:18 AM EDT

[#21]

..and I spent teh other evening removing a stuck round from my SAR-2 while I haven had a stuck round in an M-16 series weapon in proabally 75,000 rounds fired minimum.

One abstratct incident and one rifle are not representative of the whole any more than Hillary Clinton is representative of humanity.

Posted: 5/11/2004 5:37:58 PM EDT

[#22]

"But the post was about .223. Bleh, who needs an AK in .223?"

I do. I just shot a practical rifle match with one, an Arsenal M-5S, with iron sights. Because of steel target damage you cannot shoot any bullet that a magnet sticks too. I can use Winchester Q3131A just fine.

Magazines are no problem. Either search hard for high priced Bulgarian waffles or order Robinson Arms modified AK74 mags for a little more than you buy the cheap AR mags for on the EE board. I have both and they work great.

I didn't notice a weight difference at the match. I carried a little less ammo this match and didn't have any weight related injuries. ;-)

Posted: 5/11/2004 7:17:44 PM EDT

[#23]

maybe I'm odd, but I think an AK should be in 7.62, or maybe 5.45 or what ever the russian 5mm is

Posted: 5/12/2004 5:48:37 AM EDT

[#24]

If you want a 5.56x45/.223 get a M4. If you want an AK get it in an AK caliber 7.62x39 or 5.45x39. I just don`t care much for AK`s in .223. But that`s just me.

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