not that one should need a special date, but it is that time of year.  have you thanked a Vet for the freedom you enjoy ?  anyone can talk the talk but very few walk the walk.  those that served deserve our special thanks and admiration because it is they that keep us free, not any pansy ass politician.  when the wolf is at the door it is the men/women in green that keep us safe at night.

to all the Vet's out there, my deepest admiration and appreciation for all you have done and will do

special thanks to my grandfather, having fought in africa, italy, normandy, battle of the bulge, and the germany invasion for defeating the nazi menace

to my father and uncle who both served together 1964 & 1965 in a lil hell hole in south east asia called Vietnam

to the many men and women who served while i was in from 85-94, and to those serving before and after me.

hoooooooooooooooorah

Thank you all!!!

Well I can't thank myself , but
Thanks to all who went before me and after me!


Oh yeah ,For those who served: get your "Cold War Certificate"

www.perscomonline.army.mil/tagd/coldwar/default.htm

With every post, I thank all the vets!


See sig line!

I have the daily pleasure of living with a Vet. Without the man I myself wouldn't be here.

Hey, it's a shameless plug for the greatest man I know but since you asked...He has no great 'war stories' to share but the guys in his VFW post sure do.(as do countless thousands of others who aren't here to tell them) Regardless everyone who's ever been there (or is there today) deserves a special kind of thanks that words might not always be enough for. No role is so small that it's significance isn't worth saying thanks for.

The United States of America wouldn't exist without the sacrifices of our brothers and sisters who made it what it is. From Paul Revere to some unknown guy or gal just minutes ago, the very least we owe is "Thanks!'.

At every public event many vets come up to me and just talk for hours sometimes about their experiences, show me how many fingers or toes they are missing because of their service.  I listen to the stories, laugh with them, have even cried openly in public with them. I remember every story like it were told yeasterday as a tribute.  In every case I shake their hand and tell them their, and of those in their stories sacrafice will never be forgotten.

As a side note, where I come from, tomorrow is called "Dictat Tag" - Dictat day. Different cultures, different view, different day for their veterins.

And we thank all of you for your support.

Quoted: Well I can't thank myself hanksh www.perscomonline.army.mil/tagd/coldwar/default.htm

thanks for posting that i was looking for it so my dad could send in

No, but I don't know any WWII vets.  WWII was the last time they were fighting for american freedom.

Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam are all political wars that UNDERMINE american freedom in serious ways.  For instance, none of them are declared wars as the constitution requires, and their continuation is proof positive that the people who support them do not support the constitution.

Those lives lost in Afghanistan and Iraq are wasted lives.  Demanding obedient "honoring" of them only cheapens them.

This is why the founders opposed a standing army-- they know that they would be missused as they have been.  What was it George Washington said "Friendly relations with all, entangling alliances with none."

We weren't meant to have a standing army exactly to prevent such events as them being sent over to DIE just to get vengance for our selected president.

But don't put forth the political correctness... I'm not going to stand up and goose step over the constitution with you.  They are not fighting for freedom, they are avenging the presidents daddy.

This is just a form of political correctness and anyone who supports the constitution should not stand for it-- you dishonor the people who join the military who actually want to defend the country (And the constitution!)

These unconstutional wars are an attack on the very thing that makes this country great-- our founding document.

i was at pappadeaux the otherday and happend to have MY giftcard with about $50 on it, and this WW2 pilot was there at a different table (not in my section).  I had previously talked with him that day and when it was time for him to pay the waitress put the bill on the table and i took it before he could reach it and handed her my gift card.  i told him that his meal was on me today and i thanked him for his service.  i think it made his day...not for the meal....but just by thanking him.

Quoted: No, but I don't know any WWII vets.  WWII was the last time they were fighting for american freedom. Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam are all political wars that UNDERMINE american freedom in serious ways.  For instance, none of them are declared wars as the constitution requires, and their continuation is proof positive that the people who support them do not support the constitution. Those lives lost in Afghanistan and Iraq are wasted lives.  Demanding obedient "honoring" of them only cheapens them. This is why the founders opposed a standing army-- they know that they would be missused as they have been.  What was it George Washington said "Friendly relations with all, entangling alliances with none." We weren't meant to have a standing army exactly to prevent such events as them being sent over to DIE just to get vengance for our selected president. But don't put forth the political correctness... I'm not going to stand up and goose step over the constitution with you.  They are not fighting for freedom, they are avenging the presidents daddy. This is just a form of political correctness and anyone who supports the constitution should not stand for it-- you dishonor the people who join the military who actually want to defend the country (And the constitution!) These unconstutional wars are an attack on the very thing that makes this country great-- our founding document.

As an Iraqi FREEDOM Veteran, and a member of the military for 20 years, I take offense on everything you just stated.  Do me a favor and pull your head out of your ass, because you're really beginning to talk shit.

Have you served in the military?  If not, you you owe your freedom to every single military member who has laid down his life for this great country.

I consider this discussion over and do not care to hear any debate from you whatsoever.

KF
OIF Veteran
February 03 - July 03

to dongalt, i suggest you walk up to someone who fought in one of the wars or conflicts since WW2 , or the family who lost someone, and tell them that, i'd hazard a guess you'd be getting your ass handed back to you.  

so i dishonor the people who enlist to 'defend' our nation by recognizing everyone who has answerred our countries call since WW2 ?  sorry i don't think so i think it's ppl like you who are doing the dishonoring. hopefully some day someone will set you straight

Listen and you will hear the sound of a Democrat.  Granted his voice is garbled, no doubt from the sand gained by sticking his head in it.

Quoted: No, but I don't know any WWII vets.  WWII was the last time they were fighting for american freedom. Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam are all political wars that UNDERMINE american freedom in serious ways.  For instance, none of them are declared wars as the constitution requires, and their continuation is proof positive that the people who support them do not support the constitution. Those lives lost in Afghanistan and Iraq are wasted lives.  Demanding obedient "honoring" of them only cheapens them. This is why the founders opposed a standing army-- they know that they would be missused as they have been.  What was it George Washington said "Friendly relations with all, entangling alliances with none." We weren't meant to have a standing army exactly to prevent such events as them being sent over to DIE just to get vengance for our selected president. But don't put forth the political correctness... I'm not going to stand up and goose step over the constitution with you.  They are not fighting for freedom, they are avenging the presidents daddy. This is just a form of political correctness and anyone who supports the constitution should not stand for it-- you dishonor the people who join the military who actually want to defend the country (And the constitution!) These unconstutional wars are an attack on the very thing that makes this country great-- our founding document.

Ya know, I just reread your post.  How DARE you, on Veteran's Day, state:

Those lives lost in Afghanistan and Iraq are wasted lives.

I guess opinions are like assholes; just some are bigger than others.

VETERANS DAY '03

Quoted: No, but I don't know any WWII vets.  WWII was the last time they were fighting for american freedom. Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam are all political wars that UNDERMINE american freedom in serious ways.  For instance, none of them are declared wars as the constitution requires, and their continuation is proof positive that the people who support them do not support the constitution. Those lives lost in Afghanistan and Iraq are wasted lives.  Demanding obedient "honoring" of them only cheapens them. This is why the founders opposed a standing army-- they know that they would be missused as they have been.  What was it George Washington said "Friendly relations with all, entangling alliances with none." We weren't meant to have a standing army exactly to prevent such events as them being sent over to DIE just to get vengance for our selected president. But don't put forth the political correctness... I'm not going to stand up and goose step over the constitution with you.  They are not fighting for freedom, they are avenging the presidents daddy. This is just a form of political correctness and anyone who supports the constitution should not stand for it-- you dishonor the people who join the military who actually want to defend the country (And the constitution!) These unconstutional wars are an attack on the very thing that makes this country great-- our founding document.

My respects to those who served before and to those who presently serve.

We are losing our WWII veternas at about 1500 per day.  IMHO, those men were from a time when GIANTS walked the earth.  A special THANK YOU to our WWII veterans.

DonGalt, having foreign military service I was not permitted to join the marines when I tried to here in the U.S.

To this day I have always felt just a little like I have let down the country I have spent 90% of my time in, and have citicenship in. Your comments are about the most insulting I have heard in a long time.

These men are fighting to save the live of the civilians back home from an enemy that would do them harm, no less.  You disrespect them for this?   Since I am a mod it precludes me from saying what I would really like to, but I find this train of thought to be hightly offensive for the troops.

James Madison:
"As the greatest danger to liberty is from large standing armies, it is best to prevent them by an effectual provision for a good militia." (notes of debates in the 1787 Federal Convention)

You know, everyone whos "offended" or "insulted" by my comments-- all you people are socialists.  You are ANTI-AMERICANS.

Socialism is the idea that the government should control the people, that people should have others go and fight for them.  It is the idea that the people should be disarmed and the government have all the arms.

You don't respect what you have, what our founders sacrificed for.  You worship the state of socialism, and you oppose liberty.

You demand my obedience and my "thanks" for spreading socialism?   You know where you can go.

Course, you dont' even realize its socialism, you think you are defending america....

What the forefathers wanted was a citizen militia-- not standing army.  Worship of the standing army, FALSE claims that they are defending the country-- these are the words of the people who see no reason for the militia, NO REASON FOR THE SECOND AMMENDMENT.

To quote:

Elbridge Gerry, of Massachusetts:
"What, sir, is the use of militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. . . Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise a standing army upon its ruins." -- Debate, U.S. House of Representatives, August 17, 1789

Noah Webster, of Pennsylvania:

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power." -- An Examination of The Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, Philadelphia, 1787

"... but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights ..." -- Alexander Hamilton speaking of standing armies in Federalist 29

When you fight in an UNCONSTITUTINAL WAR, you are FIGHTING TO DEFEAT THE CONSTITUTION.

Its unfortunate that support for the constitution is as rare among pro-gun types as it is among anti-gun types.

Stop spewing political correctness, and read the constitution sometime.

Kinkfreak-- you faught to ensure this country was unfree.  You did not fight terrorists, you fought Iraqis.  Getting rid of Saddam Hussien is a noble goal, but it was not the same as defending America.  And it EXPLICITLY was done in VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION.

Something you swore to uphold and defend.  You broke your oath-- you should be ashamed, not me.

For the rest of you who apparently never got educated in these crappy government schools-- the constitution says that only Congress can declare war.  The president cannot unilaterally go to war to get vengance for his father, as this president has done.  The constitution says that specifically to stop wars like this one.  Congress never declared war, thus the Iraqi war (like Vietnam and Gulf 1) is Unconstitutional and illegal.

And in no way, shape or form is it about defending this country!    Iraq was never a threat to us, as is becomming more and more obvious every day.

All those people who died did so pointlessly.  Glorifying their deaths by falsely trying to justify them dishonors them, yourself, and your country.

Without the constitution, this country is nothing.  You violate your oath to defend it, you should be ashamed.

You're a SICK FUCK.

(almost edited)

A quick Google on Don Galt:

www.forum.objectivismonline.net/index.php?showtopic=43&st=20

(nevermind)

nice group he is in....banned

DonGalt,

Do you feel our war in Afghanistan is unjust?
After all we were attacked on our soil by Taliban.
The USA going on their turf to kill the killers who killed first is defending our country, no?

We enjoy plenty of sideroads on the AK board, and this thread started out fine for a non-AK topic. But it has taken several turns that have nothing to do with a gun board with the possible exception of belonging in Assaultweb's militia discussions.
Please stick to thanking vets this week, or I will be locking.

How exactly could Iraq have avoided being invaded by the US?

Our demand was that they turn over their WMDs.

The fact is, these WMDs are apparently non-existant, having been destroyed a half decade ago.  All the POWs say this, and we have found no WMDs.

So, what you're saying is that invading Iraq is justified because they failed to scramble together and manufacture some WMDs to turn over in the 12 months they had so that we wouldn't have invaded?

And you really think we wouldn't have attacked them if they had?  No, on the contrary, we would have attackedh tme for trying to scramble to produce some WMDs to turn over to us in order to avoid being attacked!

If Bush had turned up some WMDs and a delivery system capable of reaching the US, this war MIGHT have been justified.

But it still would have been unconstitutional.  And without the constitution, what do we have?

Someone asked about Afghanistan.  

Unfortunately, Afghanistan is also an illegal war.  No declaration of war was passed by congress.

Would it have been that hard for them to pass a declaration of war?  Do you think people wouldn't have supported it?

So why didn't they?

the only explanation I can think of is they enjoy pissing on the constitution.

Yes, I did get banned from a board-- people who cannot handle disagreement.  There are a lot of people who will not tolerate people who don't comply with their politically correct ideas.

I, however, am an american.  I believe people should be allowed to argue for their points, and I have done so here.

I have made my case-- the constitution is not unclear on the issue.  The only response you guys have presented (other than the guy who asked about afghanistan) is to call me names.

I don't consider calling me names to be a very good counter argument.

Quoted: We enjoy plenty of sideroads on the AK board, and this thread started out fine for a non-AK topic. But it has taken several turns that have nothing to do with a gun board with the possible exception of belonging in Assaultweb's militia discussions. Please stick to thanking vets this week, or I will be locking.

While I respectfully agree with RS39 on many points, I believe locking of this thread would send us down the path of other sites who don't allow any freedom of expression.

Mr. Galt, (and believe me, the Mr. is given with extreme reservation). This particular thread has almost nothing to do with The Constitution or any one asshole's opinion regarding any particular war or "conflict". The question posed was "HAVE YOU THANKED A VET FOR YOUR FREEDOM LATELY?"

Sick Fuck? Consider it a compliment, some say that of me. I wouldn't come off as offended had I done what you did.You chose to attack Veterans in a thread posted as a small shrine of love and respect. Your name might as well be William Jefferson Klinton. Name calling? Oh, dude... I didn't come close to that. Hey bub, I'm a godless Satanist. I can spit in the face of Biblical text and sneer. I do however refuse to spit in the faces of those who respond to the call from their country to do whatever they can, whenever they can regardless of my personal political opinion/agenda.


Look Don, it's not about your personal opinion of U.S. military actions.(Hell, I know more than one Vietnam Vet who disagreed with govt. policy. It has nothing to do with respect for govt. policy but those who did what they were called to do!) The question is as plain as the nose on your face. Nobody asked your political opinion. The question refers to how you view those who answer above and beyond the call.(I take it since you know no WWII Vets you know none at all?) What are ya, a clone? No family lost or loved and respected?

(Plain and simple. That's it. That's all.)

There are plenty of threads in General Discussion where your arguements might carry some weight and folks would be looking to thoroughly thrash you. I recommend you try your luck there. Hey, I'm sure a Google on me could play in your favor. Yours just happened to be overly appropriate, admitting to "troll your own introductory post"...Hmmm.

You spit in the face of Americans who hold something near and dear to their hearts in the way of a certain type of respect a SICK FUCK like yourself will never understand (and expect someone to side with you or give a damn?)

You want to live for an arguement? E-mail or IM me. All day every day, I'll be here to play. You'll lose. Funny thing is you won't do it because you want an audience, hence the SICK FUCK moniker. You spit in their faces and you've spit in mine.

It's one thing to be an opinionated dick, yet another to shit on those you owe.

stopped to pick up some groceries at a semi - local grocery store, strolling through picking out a few things, older gentleman was there wearing his VFW jacket with his name and rank on it, hard to say if he was a WW2 vet or a Korean War vet, not that it matters, i walked up to the gentleman, shook his hand thanked him for his service to our Great Country, had a few kind words with him and was on my way, the smile he had on his face makes it all worth while !

Don, consider Veteran's Day like a birthday party where you have chosen to nit pick about the exact date and timing along with arguements about 365 days vs a leap year, compounded by unflattering comments about their school/dating/work choices over the past year. Regardless of their accuracy, the time and place is wrong.

It is the VETERAN, not the preacher,
who has given us freedom of religion.

It is the VETERAN, not the reporter,
who has given us freedom of the press.

It is the VETERAN, not the poet,
who has given us freedom of speech.

It is the VETERAN, not the campus organizer,
who has given us freedom to assemble.

It is the VETERAN, not the lawyer,
who has given us the right to a fair trial.

It is the VETERAN, not the politician,
Who has given us the right to vote.

A big thumb's up to RS39

I wish sometimes I could be so 'short-winded' and eloquite with my replies. (hey, emotion is what it it is...)

You said it all. I'm proud of every Vet, be it family, friend or complete stranger. They've secured my place in the world. Who could ask for more?

makes you think more an more about the movie Starship Troopers (see it if you haven't) you had to serve in the military if you wanted to run as a politician !!!

I havent seen many Revolutionary War vets lately to thank

edited to add:

Before I get jumped on, I am a vet of Op Enduring Freedom, and have volunteered for duty in Iraq.

Quoted: you had to serve in the military if you wanted to run as a politician !!! like al gore did? sorry...i couldn't resist!

somehow if he was in that movie i think he'd be bug bait !

Freakzilla makes my point far more succinctly than I did in my attempts.

I notice that nobodies made a counter argument to my points, so I won't repeat them.

WildWes, if you didn't seek an audience, you would have posted me in IM with your request to have a discussion, not the other way around.   But, I don't think you're intelligent enough to spend time arguing with-- in fact, I don't think you can come up with a counter argument.  So why waste time listening to you call me names in impotent frustration?  Its boring.

I prefer not to thank Veterans so much as give them respect and admiration.  

I don't think most who have served in actual combat were honestly thinking about their country or there freedom at the time.  

As I have come to believe, in war one finds themself fighting to live and for the man next to them.  

The soldiers who charges a machinegun nest isn't doing it for god and country, he's doing it so that it might not harm those that have become his family.  

Most combat veterans will tell you that any glory or honor that comes their way is purely coincidental.

Quoted: Freakzilla makes my point far more succinctly than I did in my attempts. I notice that nobodies made a counter argument to my points, so I won't repeat them. WildWes, if you didn't seek an audience, you would have posted me in IM with your request to have a discussion, not the other way around.   But, I don't think you're intelligent enough to spend time arguing with-- in fact, I don't think you can come up with a counter argument.  So why waste time listening to you call me names in impotent frustration?  Its boring.

Please run that by me one more time. (I rode the short bus)

No name calling here, you just suck. Argument? I think  you missed the whole discussion.(So, you owe your freedom to who Mr. Intellect?)--SERIOUSLY, WHO and WHAT do you owe your freedom to? Answer that, ...please.

IM and E-mail, like I said. You have not an argument, simply an opinion. Intelligent? Bet I can match your score chief. IM you prior to posting? (wouldn't that screw up the whole system)

Quoted: Freakzilla makes my point far more succinctly than I did in my attempts. I notice that nobodies made a counter argument to my points, so I won't repeat them. WildWes, if you didn't seek an audience, you would have posted me in IM with your request to have a discussion, not the other way around.   But, I don't think you're intelligent enough to spend time arguing with-- in fact, I don't think you can come up with a counter argument.  So why waste time listening to you call me names in impotent frustration?  Its boring.

Is that "nobody's" or "nobodies"? Hmm, is DonGalt otherwise known as "Bowhunt"? I see a certain similarity in grammar.
(and attitude) Go ahead and repeat yourself, the fact that you got no response was because no one was listening. (B, if you must... make that" 'noone' instead of no one ". It might read better for ya that way)

Sheesh, intelligence. BUY SOME! (or should one say "GET SOME!" ?)

Wasting time? Damn big fella! You have enough balls to play with me but can't play with the others who pissed right back in your face? Hey, let's not make this a personal one-sided attack. Why don't you (in all your intelligence) respond to the others who shit on your commentary?

??? (short bus for you?)

Don, what exactly are your arguements, I will debate you, but so far, other than just trying to spew bile to piss people off, I see few arguements.  

Constitution this, constitution that, blah blah blah.... is not an arguement.


Start a new thread with what ever arguements you have here, and I will discuss it with you.