SOLD OUT

I have a bunch of B-West AZ receivers.  The are made for Chinese parts kits, but those holes can be welded up and drilled for euro guns.

These are in the white and of course were made before the ban, but of course have to be made into post ban guns, at least for now.  

These belong to a friend of mine that cannot go near a gun anymore and he would like me to sell them, and of course they count as a Made In USA part.

Any idea as to what they are worth?  There are about 75 of them or so.  They could be made into AOWs  by an enterprising Class 2, but I am too busy with LULAs right now.

BTW I am going to build a post ban for myself but want something exotic.  Any ideas as to cool parts kits and who has them.  I picked out serial # 9990666 for myself just for shits and giggles.

I am going to Superior Metal Treating tomorrow about 8AM to pick up the receivers as they have completed the heat treat.  We will random test about 10-15 for Rockwell.  If all is kosher they will be ready to ship.
Cost is $75 each and $10 shipping US Priortiy Mail insured.  $5 additional for each receiver in the same order.

FFL required to buy receivers.  We will ship to your FFL or directly to you if you are a licensee.

Payment:  our paypal is :"[email protected]"
We also accept Visa, MC, Discover and Amex or you can send a check or MO to:
GTS,LLC
Attn: Denny AK
2001 Clay St.
North Kansas City, MO 64116

In any regard there are only 80 of these so if you want one regardless of payment mode.  Email me at [email protected] so we do not oversell these and disappoint someone.

If people reserve them and payment is not received in two weeks the receiver will go to the next guy in line for one.  Remember 80 only.

Thanks to Campybob and all who helped get this together.

Denny
Denny

denny,

the biggest problem with the b-west receivers is that were sold off at a federal bankruptcy auction after the '94 ban. i am assuming you have receivers from this batch/lot. you seem to have a good handle on this fact.

in other words, they cannot legally be assembled into pre-ban rifles.

secondly, hardness must be checked/verified on a rockwell tester in order to bring any kind of fair market value, as b-west was notorious for soft recs that wallowed out the fire control pins and rivet holes. the two worst ak recs i have seen were b-west recs/guns that were no longer operable due to ovalized holes.

the thickness should be measured (are the 1mm or 1.5mm thick?) and the inside dimension checked (euro trunnions are wider and cannot be fitted without machining).

as they currently sit, drilled for chinese trunnions, they are not worth much, imo. as a guess...$25??? if properly hardened, perhaps $50-70???

love your serial number!

CampyBob,

Once again you guys come thru.  God, I love Ar15.com.

I will get a sample of receivers over to Marty at Badger Ordnance for the rockwell test and I will measure the receiver thickness and the size of the opening for the trunions.

If I have to go to the expense of heat treating them maybe they are worthless.  Or I will have to build a bunch of AOWs out of them to get anything out of them.  What say you about the concept of AOW building on them?  Basically what ATF calls an Assault Pistol in their total ignorance.  If i did the AOW project I would of course have them properly hardened.

We have built a few guns on these receivers and the holes are all in the right places and an easy build on a Chinese parts set.

Denny

If I have to go to the expense of heat treating them maybe they are worthless.

basically novelty items...the same as the cast fal receivers that tapco sells. but!!! it is more likely that the state of NOT KNOWING their heat treat condition that makes them paperweights.

if you can check each one (at approx. 2-3 minutes per piece)...THEN you would know what you have.

properly treated...they are definitely worth the equal of the curret oow recs. minus the heat treat = too much to bother with. let the buyers get a deal and send them off to ak-usa for the $35 + shipping heat treatment.

Or I will have to build a bunch of AOWs out of them to get anything out of them. What say you about the concept of AOW building on them? Basically what ATF calls an Assault Pistol in their total ignorance. If i did the AOW project I would of course have them properly hardened.

yes, a higher net value project is definitely merits the investment in time and money required to get them into spec. if you have a large enough quantity, akusa might work out a lower price...you never know.

my less than 2 cents? aow's and sbr's are a waste of time and paperwork vs. the profit margin and low demand.

if it were me. i'ld find out exactly 'what' i was sitting on and go from there. if soft...a cheap deal on the web and get my money back. if verifiably 23-30 rockwell "c" scale...i'ld sell them off at fair market value and build a few standard, fixed stock post-ban mac-90's on them.

you can't bat much worse than globaltrades has on them. at $500 a rifle, you ain't getting a new chriscraft 38' pleasure palace, but at least they should move out the door faster than a dozen aow pistols at $900.

I will check the heat treat and dimensions.  Once I know what I am dealing with I will make a decision on selling them.

Denny

Campy and others,

I went to a local heat treater, the same ones that does Badger Ordnance's heat treating, in fact Marty and I went down together.  

The B-Wests rockwelled about 12-14, almost dead soft.  The owner called me Friday and said they had a process, ferrous something, and they could treat them to 35-40 with no warping in this process.  The price was very right so I am having them treated this coming week.

I am thinking if you want to use a Euro kit you can still drill the holes for the Euro trunion and weld up  the others or just leave them.  After all they will count as a US Part.

Denny

The B-Wests rockwelled about 12-14, almost dead soft.

yup. worthless as they now sit...sadly.

The owner called me Friday and said they had a process, ferrous something, and they could treat them to 35-40 with no warping in this process. The price was very right so I am having them treated this coming week.

great! you have, literally, nothing to lose.

bulgarian recs checked 37-39. if you hit 25-35, you will be fine. if they do not warp/twist they will be better than the oow/hesse receivers.

I am thinking if you want to use a Euro kit you can still drill the holes for the Euro trunion and weld up the others or just leave them. After all they will count as a US Part.

sounds like a plan! good luck with the heat treating and keep us informed.

I am taking them to heat treat tomorrow.  I don't have my final cost on the heat treat till we get them there and get them counted and weighed.  I also do not know the time frame to get them back from heat treat and then we need to check them out.  According to the heat treater this method will not warp them, but shit happens.

I will keep everyone posted.

Denny

I got the B-Wests to the heat treater, Superior Metal Products on Thursday.  They should be back this coming week.  Glen, the owner, said they should Rockwell around 35 or so.

BTW there are only 80 Receivers and will be no more, at least from me as that is all I have.

I am not sure of the spelling but the heat treat is a process called ferrous nitrite (sp?) bath.  This is a hot mineral treatment and will not warp the receivers.  It is not as cheap as normal heat treating but will get them up to snuff in hardness without warping issues.

When they are done I am going to Rockwell at random and if readings on the random test are all plus or minus a couple of points and there is not wide variation all will be good to go.

It is looking like about $75 per receiver is what I am going to need after paying for the heat treat.  I will also mic the opening for the trunion but I expect it to meet Chinese spec.

Provided all works out we will also Park them grey for an extra $20 per receiver.

I found a Hungarian AMD 65 Parts kit and will build myself a SBR out of it on serial #9990666,  RRA trigger of course.  Even with the SBR config I will have to pin the folder, bummer, but if all goes right in Congress maybe some day I can un-pin it :)

Denny

denny,

 might i suggest that you include (perhaps for another $5???) a certificate of some sort that states that the receivers went thru a heat treat process and all that crap.

 perhaps just a note to that effect on the customer invoice.

 this would serve to increase the value of the rifle built on that receiver and the paperwork, if kept with the rifle, would be a very positive reflection on dennysguns by all who observed it...now, and in the future.

just a thought!

anyway, thank you for stepping up to the plate and doing the job CORRECTLY!

A certificate of Rockwell is a great ideal!  Why charge extra?  I can do it as a form and then fill in the serial number of the receiver and sign it, on letter head.  No problem.  I will get a receipt from Superior Metal Treating stating that they heat treated 80 BWest AK receivers too.

Denny (does his best to do thing right)

Hummm,

We need to get this ordering thing organized as there are only 80 receivers and I would just as soon only post them to AR15.com guys and sell them all right here to my buds.

I think emailing me is the best way to go as then I won't have to pick thru the posts and may miss someone and accidentally cause a problem.

How about any one who wants one to email me at my Denny's Guns email address, [email protected] with all the pertinent information on what you want, ie quantity, name, address, phone and ffl dealer you want it transfered to.

What do you all think?  That way I can keep track of them as they go out and not accidentally over sell them.

Denny

The receivers will be $75 to AR15.com members plus shipping, which I will have to work out when I get the receivers back from heat treat.  I plan on shipping the US Priority Mail with insurance and confirmation.

Denny

Kythri


Yep , your email is received and one receiver will be yours.

Denny

Kythri

Sorry, 4 receivers are held for you.

I am picking up the B-West AK receivers from the heat treater tomorrow morning.  We will test the Rockwell there and each receiver will have a certification of the rockwell hardness.

I am also going to post this on the first subject line of this thread.

Thanks for all who were interested and helped, especially CampyBob.

Denny

i spoke with denny on the phone the other night. while i cannot divulge any secrets, i can tell you i have, with the exception of redstararms and anschutz, never seen anyone go after quality like denny is.

i believe denny has stated the drilling is for the chi-com pattern. tig welding (backed with a copper block) will fill any holes you need to move. thickness/width is based on the chinese pattern, also.

it sounds like it will be a few more days untill the heat treater is done doing his thing...but these are going to done right.

denny even sent out one (or was it two?) of his old chinese ak's to have the hardness checked in order to get a close match on the original specifications.

i don't know denny from adam, but he sounds like a stand up guy.

god...if you got ken roberts, denny and me in a room...gave us a few cases of michelob...we would be in there bullshitting for a month!

Quoted: god...if you put me in a room...gave me a few cases of michelob...I would be in there bullshitting for a month!

...you got that right bro!

Sorry for not getting back to you guys right away but I got about 12 big irons in the fire, including the receivers.

As Campy said we are going to lengths to get this spot on.

The heat treater and I decided to get an exact metalurgy on the receiver before the heat treat to get them in really tight spec.  The Bwest company is long gone so there was no one to ask.  Soooo, I cut one receiver in half and sent it to Arrow Labs in Wichita, Ks for a lab analysis.  They should fax me a report a day or two after they get the receiver half I sent them.  Then, with the exact material know they can heat treat with in a couple of point without warpage.  I did not want to settle for just a surface treatment on the receivers.  I want these right on the money.  Too hard and rails and shit will crack, too soft and holes will waller and all the other bad stuff that happens when a metal is too soft.  Better too soft than too hard, but the original 12-14 Rockwell C scale was silly.

I took two original full auto military AK post samples with me when I went back to Superior Metal and we Rockwelled a couple of real military AKs.  The Norinco was 34-36 R C and the Egyptian Maadi was an unbelievable 48 R C.  Campy said that is way some Maadi's have rails crack.  Say what you want about Chinese AKs but it was pretty well on the money for a firearm sheet metal receiver.

I have going to have these Rockwelled in the area of 30-34.  I believe these will give the best of wear and not be brittle.

Sorry for the delay, but sometimes a little extra time will get you the right result.

BTW, even with the extra expense I will hold to the price for AR15.com, but the ones that do not sell here will be $150 at the Creek, as these will be the best ever.

Be patient and you will be rewarded with the best AK recievers available today to build on.

Denny

PS  I only have the front of a receiver in my possession, the back being at the lab.  If time allows I will mic it tomorrow and post the measurements.  These were made to be assembled with Chinese parts so I full expect them to mic to Chinese specs.  I got my AMD 65 parts kit in today and it is a beauty except for the flash hider which for some reason is a Krink.  Any body got an extra AMD brake????  I will be looking for one.

but the ones that do not sell here will be $150 at the Creek...

make me up a custom vest with pockets to hold about 40 receivers. i'll walk around the parking lot selling them like a street hawker!!!

red hot! getchur ak receiver right here! red hot and right out of the heat treat furnace!

nah....not flashy enough...i'ld blend in too much with the other dweebs out in the mud bog.

Campy,

Get FFLs and cash and we gots us a deal

And you best stop by my tables and say HI.  B12 Island I think.  Shit I have had these tables for 10 years and still can't remember my table numbers.

Look for the LULA sign.

D.