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Posted: 1/9/2003 3:51:27 AM EDT
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afaik, the bizon utilizes a helical feed path, tube shaped magazine and is chambered in 9x18 makarov.
it would not surprise me if the soviets developed other pistol calibre versions for export sale (9x19, .380, .32 acp).  pic from valeri shilin's excellent website club.guns.ru |
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Posted: 1/9/2003 4:58:44 AM EDT
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ahhh, seems they have copied our highly prized Calico 9mm!, what next? A highpoint carbine knockoff! |
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Posted: 1/9/2003 8:29:31 AM EDT
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F#$%ING H@LL. Another damned socialist let into this country. I think Obe916 and me should be in charge of the INS. RotDorn: Don't diss the calico. This Bizon is only in 9x18 for peeps sake! At least Calico had the know how to produce a 9x19 gun.  themao 
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Posted: 1/9/2003 11:29:05 AM EDT
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ever wrench on a busted calico mag? it's not the most robust device i've seen by a long shot.
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Posted: 1/9/2003 2:54:43 PM EDT
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actually, he is another 'capitalist pig' such as ourselves. he will never go back to that stinkhole again (to paraphrase him). he is quite happy to be away from it. he also said the one for the AK's was 'squarish'. I'll approach him next time I see him and ask more questions. (I didn't see him today) |
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Posted: 1/9/2003 3:09:37 PM EDT
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Send me your poor huddled masss..........I have work for them. [insert evil laugh] 
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Posted: 1/9/2003 7:19:10 PM EDT
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I put $20 down on the table that after I Q&A him for 5 minutes, I'll prove he's for the redistribution of wealth in one way or another. Those people enjoy the KGB and central planning. themao
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Posted: 1/9/2003 7:26:24 PM EDT
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whatever
the topic is the Bizon magazine(s). Either you have something to contribute, or not. |
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Posted: 1/9/2003 7:53:03 PM EDT
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That's a sweet looking design. Granted, it may/may not be a copy of the calico. For pistol cal it is a fairly effecient way to carry ammo. For rifle, I wouldn't know.....
Too bad there is no way of any of that stuff getting into the US into civilian hands.  I didn't look at the other links, but is this mag specific to a weopon designe. As in, a gun has to be deisnged to use it? Or can it be used in (in the 7.62x39 mentioned) in any AK? Edit- just linking in a pic from one of the links.  |
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Posted: 1/10/2003 3:39:44 AM EDT
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kaliburz, note the mag locking system. the mag hooks to the underside of the fsb by means of a hooked locator. the rear lockup is similar to any other kalashnikov.
so yes, the magazine, and its' mounting, are specific to this particular family of firearms. mao, i know several russian/belarussian/ ukranian/lithuanian folks that have earned their u.s. citizenship. i can tell you this in all honesty. NO ONE learns and loves capitalism like an ex-commie. what's that old adage about converts being more zealous than those raised in the faith? in this case, i believe it to be true. |
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Posted: 1/10/2003 5:02:40 AM EDT
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Good grief, I'm just screwing with you people (aka being my typical asshole Yugoslavian Mountain Hound self....I hope the hell you people have seen Triumph).
 Anyway, here's my "contribution": club.guns.ru/eng/bizon.html This is a good write up on the Bizon, and it shows the designers. "60 % of the BIZON components are interchangeable with the AK-100 series assault rifles." They do in fact offer a 9x19 version, and a few other crazy ass cartridges. Here's the page from Izmash. They have a 9x18 and a 9x18 "modern", which may be a typo. It's probably 9x19. izhmash.udm.ru/arms/bizon2.html Man, if we lived in a FREE country, it's quite possible I'd skip a MP5 for one of these in 9 mm. The trigger is the same as an AK-74's, which means a Red Star Arms trigger would be perfect! themao
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Posted: 1/10/2003 6:13:00 AM EDT
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Would the gas system be the same since it uses a much lower powered round? Seems that a round used in blowback style pistols would not work well in a gas piston rifle.
Anyway, the gun is light years behind the Calico. All the Calicos I see on TV shoot lazers! At least the Bizon doesn't look as cheap as the Calico. |
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Posted: 1/10/2003 9:41:08 AM EDT
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Well, if a rifle version was made in 9mm, it could make it in. But I'm not sure how the mag would make inside the US. There is no way under current law.
I suppose a "cylender" drum under 7.62x39 could be refit on one that wasn't made for the cylinder. If the back is the same, all you would need is a hook for the front, right? Hook the front, swivel the mag up and latch the back in.... I wonder..... could a Saiga .410, 20 and 12 guage work w/ such a cylinder drum? It would seem big, but man.... |
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Posted: 1/10/2003 10:05:09 AM EDT
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mao, my apology!
ober, the bison is blowback, no gas system. kaliburz, helix feed mags are among the most complex ever devised. making one would be a bear. the bison hooks into a socket at the front of the mag tube. the hook engages a pocket that is machined into a 'custom' fsb that is cast with a boss on it. the mag also has a feed tower that enters the magwell of the receiver to stabilize it just like other feed systems utilize. |
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