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Posted: 7/19/2020 5:55:01 PM EDT
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If you find bags large enough, you could throw in a packet of oxygen absorber (like they do to preserve foods) and even a VCI pack as well. Should take care of about anything.
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Posted: 7/19/2020 5:56:32 PM EDT
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Interesting idea.
Maybe even purge with nitrogen. |
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Posted: 7/19/2020 6:06:32 PM EDT
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Coat well with lubricant and add a desiccant pack.
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Posted: 7/19/2020 6:14:37 PM EDT
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If you get the roll, you can make them as large as you want. They also sell the large mylar type bags that you can put them in too.
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Posted: 7/19/2020 6:20:28 PM EDT
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We seal-a-meal tons of stuff. I buy the bags in a roll and you can cut them to any length. Sounds like a good idea to me. I'd put in Oxygen absorbers and silica packs, oil it up and double seal each end. I'd then put it in ANOTHER bag and seal it twice on each end. Bullet proof. Put a bunch of mags and ammo along with a LPK and store away.
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Posted: 7/19/2020 6:35:30 PM EDT
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I vac sealed a P320 with two mags once.
It took a couple tries of repositioning the gun to get it right. If certain parts of the gun were too close to the edges, it would compromise the seal. But in the end, I won.  An AR15 would be far more challenging, I'm sure. |
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Posted: 7/19/2020 6:42:00 PM EDT
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   https://vacuumsealersexpert.com/use-vacuum-sealer-applications-food-storage/ Also several YT videos about it as well. |
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Posted: 7/19/2020 7:00:40 PM EDT
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I would think that CLP would contribute to advanced degradation of the vacuum bag and its seal.
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Posted: 7/19/2020 7:45:59 PM EDT
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Brownell's sell bags with the VCI vapor barrier that are vacuum sealed.....
https://www.brownells.com/gunsmith-tools-supplies/shop-accessories-supplies/gun-storage-materials/gun-storage-bags/vacuum-seal-storage-bags-prod42749.aspx One caution on using standard plastic bags..... The standard plastic will pass moisture and allow the VCI vapor to escape. You need to use a special "hard" plastic similar to the plastic bags used to ship electronic components that won't pass moisture or the vapor. Also, standard plastic bag material actually contains a percentage of water. I was surprised at this after a friend who works in a major plastic bag factory told me that part of the manufacturing process is to dry the excess moisture out of the film. He said that normal plastic bags and sealer films all contain water when finished. |
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Posted: 7/19/2020 8:08:21 PM EDT
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Yes. But for the best protection while storing.... vacuum seal them in VCI bags.
I've done that to several firearms for a decade or more. Don't even have to worry about spraying them down or worrying about corrosion. No oil even required and actually better that way. |
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Posted: 7/19/2020 8:45:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I vac sealed a P320 with two mags once. It took a couple tries of repositioning the gun to get it right. If certain parts of the gun were too close to the edges, it would compromise the seal. But in the end, I won. https://i.imgur.com/G1MObdf.jpg An AR15 would be far more challenging, I'm sure. lol! This is amazing, but what the hell is the point in sealing them? Are you going to bury them or sink them in your pond for safe keeping? |
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Posted: 7/20/2020 1:51:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would think that CLP would contribute to advanced degradation of the vacuum bag and its seal. All great ideas and I did think of this, but I use Safari Charlies as a preservative. It is a local manufacturer of what I call a "CLP", supposedly enviro-friendly and it has a great smell, not that smell has anything to do with its effectiveness. I spray it in zip-lock bags of parts and have not observed any plastic breakdown after many months. I am going to get myself a Foodsaver soon. |
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Posted: 7/20/2020 10:44:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol! This is amazing, but what the hell is the point in sealing them? Are you going to bury them or sink them in your pond for safe keeping? So they don't get rusty when I sleep in the creek. |
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Posted: 7/21/2020 4:58:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol! This is amazing, but what the hell is the point in sealing them? Are you going to bury them or sink them in your pond for safe keeping? In my line of work (actually old line, I am retired 4 months now), we vacuum sealed all of our major refinery machinery parts for LTS (long term storage), or at least tried to, depending on the geometry. We had threaded fasteners, 5/8" x 6" that were $1000-$5000 in value and some machinery would take 100's of them. These were vacuum sealed to be ready for use. So I was thinking the same thing for my firearms, especially those that are not used much and who the hell knows what the political landscape looks like down the road. Being retired has given me time to think about a lot of crap these days 
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Posted: 7/21/2020 5:34:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://vacuumsealersexpert.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/maxresdefault-1024x576.jpg https://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/SHOWERGUN_2.jpg https://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/showergun.jpg https://vacuumsealersexpert.com/use-vacuum-sealer-applications-food-storage/ @11C1P Also several YT videos about it as well. Whats the story behind the shower guns? |
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Posted: 7/21/2020 7:00:07 AM EDT
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OK-now a related secondary question---
If one seals up a shower rifle does the cookie go inside with the rifle or does it go in it's own bag? |
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Posted: 7/21/2020 7:42:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whats the story behind the shower guns? My guess is somebody wanted to have guns in the shower without them getting wet? |
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Posted: 7/21/2020 9:39:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whats the story behind the shower guns? Thats how I clean my guns 
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Posted: 7/21/2020 10:12:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats how I clean my guns When I used to get back from the field & my M16 was covered in a bunch of crud & crap just like I was, I'd pull the BCG/CH & walk into the shower with it & rinse all the grime & gunk off. 1st time I did it everyone said I'd get an article 15 & it was going to rust to hell. After I got out of the shower, I'd hose it down with WD-40 to displace all the water, which is what it actually is & what the "WD" stands for. Then I'd clean & lube like normal. After people seeing how I did it, got it so clean pretty fast & didn't get in trouble, a bunch of guys started doing it that way. |
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Posted: 7/21/2020 10:19:12 PM EDT
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I keep 7 different sizes of 6 mil LDPE Lay-Flat Tubing on a bar above my work bench. Using a 10' or 15' sealer to seal up both ends after putting ammo/rifle inside, I cut the corner and insert a vacuum hose to pull a vacuum. With the vacuum pump running, seal the corner. Sometimes I use O2 adsorbers if long term storage is expected.
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Posted: 7/21/2020 10:31:59 PM EDT
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You can use the roll bags and make a bag as long as you need.
Double bag it. One can develop leaks. |
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Posted: 7/22/2020 1:18:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whats the story behind the shower guns? Its so you don't get clapped while washing your balls or taking a shit because of home invaders. You can vacuum seal a pistol and drop it in the toilet tank also for another backup. |
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Posted: 7/22/2020 1:43:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whats the story behind the shower guns? Newb alert! Buy a membership. Go back into the archives around...2006-2008. Try "shower cookie" to get you started.  
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Posted: 7/23/2020 3:58:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Newb alert! Buy a membership. Go back into the archives around...2006-2008. Try "shower cookie" to get you started. https://img.memecdn.com/I-was-eating-a-cookie-in-the-shower-when-I-heard-a-noise_o_74983.jpg lol  @Desert_AIP I understand the purpose, I guess I should have asked how are they able to be used while being vacuum sealed. Can you still pull the trigger reliably? Is there a shower knife to open bag? |
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Posted: 7/24/2020 11:25:15 AM EDT
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That thread made me laugh so hard. Easily one of the funnier threads in our history.
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Posted: 7/24/2020 2:35:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol! This is amazing, but what the hell is the point in sealing them? Are you going to bury them or sink them in your pond for safe keeping? Biden has promised that one of his first actions will be to require everyone buy a tax stamp for each AR they already own, or surrender it. So I suspect there will be a lot of buried treasure before the election... |
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Posted: 7/24/2020 7:58:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Biden has promised that one of his first actions will be to require everyone buy a tax stamp for each AR they already own, or surrender it. So I suspect there will be a lot of buried treasure before the election... I have a sneaky feeling there will be a lot of false walls being built down the road |
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Posted: 7/25/2020 4:23:25 PM EDT
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Reposted below
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Posted: 10/20/2020 3:14:59 PM EDT
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I stored a few new Uzi MGs vacuum sealed in food saver bags for years. Sprayed first with Zep IronClad metal preservative then bagged and vacuumed. Just like brand new 12 years later.
If you have a gun with sharp protrusions, use a piece of small bubblewrap or a few layers of plastic food wrap around that area to prevent puncture of the vacuum bag. The large food saver bag rolls will fit an AR if you take off the pistol grip and just place it in with the rest of the gun. If your pistol grip has an allen bolt, it might be advisable to exchange it for a regular straight slot screw, then you can include a cheap flathead screwdriver too so you have what you need to assemble it if recovering it from some remote stash and under duress. |
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Posted: 10/21/2020 7:52:45 AM EDT
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I did this about five years ago.
Had to leave guns for about 1.5 years. Had a friend that would let me store the safe, but didn’t want any responsibility for lubing and such I placed ARs in silicone impregnated “gun socks” then vacuum packed them, TWICE. I used the large gallon size rolls from Food Saver rolls. Grips stated on, but optics had to be removed. I was able to check on them about ten months in, gags stayed sealed. No issues when opening them almost a year and a half later. No corrosion on blued 1911s either |
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Posted: 12/22/2020 12:34:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/22/2020 7:50:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would think that CLP would contribute to advanced degradation of the vacuum bag and its seal. ^ This. Might be better off with a light wax like renaissance. |
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Posted: 12/22/2020 7:56:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whats the story behind the shower guns? Its when you are your most vulnerable other than asleep. |
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Posted: 12/22/2020 7:57:33 PM EDT
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It will not work long term. No matter what, too many sharp edges pushing against the vacuum seal
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Posted: 12/22/2020 8:11:01 PM EDT
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They should have vending machines with firearms and ammo sealed like that.
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Posted: 12/22/2020 9:53:49 PM EDT
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I have, and some others a few years ago have as well.
They sell rifle-sized aluminum/mylar foil bags, like the stuff MREs are wrapped in. Clean thoroghly. Do not lube. Trust me on this. You want it bone dry. If you don't you wind up with a sticky film that makes cosmoline look easy to clean. Once you have that done, wrap the gun in VpCI (vapor phase corrosion inhibitor) paper. It's like craft paper but specifically treated to create a anti-corrision environment. Then put the wrapped AR in the mylar bag with a largish silca gel packet (outside the paper.) Vacuum but don't overdo it or the edges may break the bag (the VpCI paper helps with this too.) The of course seal. I did this and broke the seal 10 years later, everything was like new but the optic had what I assume was some VpCI haze on the glass. Store batteries separate packaging. Only store lithium or NiMH. |
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Posted: 12/22/2020 10:05:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They should have vending machines with firearms and ammo sealed like that. Wonderfully horrible idea. |
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Posted: 12/22/2020 10:54:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have, and some others a few years ago have as well. They sell rifle-sized aluminum/mylar foil bags, like the stuff MREs are wrapped in. Clean thoroghly. Do not lube. Trust me on this. You want it bone dry. If you don't you wind up with a sticky film that makes cosmoline look easy to clean. Once you have that done, wrap the gun in VpCI (vapor phase corrosion inhibitor) paper. It's like craft paper but specifically treated to create a anti-corrision environment. Then put the wrapped AR in the mylar bag with a largish silca gel packet (outside the paper.) Vacuum but don't overdo it or the edges may break the bag (the VpCI paper helps with this too.) The of course seal. I did this and broke the seal 10 years later, everything was like new but the optic had what I assume was some VpCI haze on the glass. Store batteries separate packaging. Only store lithium or NiMH. Even with a light spray of a CLP....I use a product called Safari Charlie, a local made CLP that I have found to be less oily....it smells real good also I am going to move in the direction to do some sealing and storing soon....My spare parts plan is spare "assembled" parts.... Will not have optics nor BUIS installed |
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Posted: 12/22/2020 11:16:44 PM EDT
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VCI Poly Bags are what you seek. At this vendor and elsewhere.
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Posted: 1/7/2021 1:59:45 PM EDT
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Wilson Combat sells pistol bags that are made to store your gun in, I've used them for mine for years now and no adverse problems or effect, they are Zip lock style.
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