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How much money will the components add to the cost of the unit? And how much has it run you to get this improvement into the patent system?
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At this time I'm not set up for any production of this item.
I could make the mods by hand, to people's existing Eotech AA models. I could probably do it for around $100 for parts and labor in my spare time. The patent attorney stuff is expensive, but that's the way things go. I'm not expecting anybody to pay for any of my attorney costs. Also, while I can do some of this stuff in my spare time, I have to attend to my daily job. I don't have any production line or anything. It would be all hand-made, one at a time. So, if I get a pile of requests, there could be some waiting time involved for me to have a chance to finish all of them. |
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Neat idea.
The only thing I can think of that perhaps you have'nt (saw no mention of it in your post) would be the need for either an off switch of some sort or a cover for the panels to prevent charging. If in the field your rechargable batteries were to give up the ghost for whatever reason and alkaline batteries needed to be pressed into service, the auto recharging feature may cause them to leak, damaging the sight. Other than that one small concern, I would be interested in such a item. Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. |
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Tag. Cool idea. It would not work for me though since mine spends the majority of it's time inside and rechargeables are always dead when you go to use them after a few weeks of storage.
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While it is not well-known by the general public, lead-acid and alkaline "non-rechargeable" batteries can also be recharged a few times. Probably to lower than max capacity, but it can be done, and people do it.
The key is a low charge rate, which this panel supplies. So, even if it is not an optimal application with non-rechargeables, it can work to some extent with them, and wouldn't be likely to force overcharge leakage from them. I'd suspect that even if a non-rechargeable set of batteries was in there, it would be fine for a while, until you could get some NiMh batteries into it. This system is "self-regulating" to the extent that as the battery voltage increases near max, the amount of charging decreases due to the "evening out" of the difference between the charging voltage and the battery voltage. This isn't one of those "battery burner" quick-chargers. It's a trickle charger. The working charge voltage is just over 3v, so when you put a pair of 1.5v alkalines in there, the full voltage of the batteries is almost level with the charging voltage. So nothing dramatic is going to happen. In fact, the alkalines will take some charging as they run down, for a few times. During that time, it would be advisable to find some NiMh type batteries to replace them with. |
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And this is what makes the idea of a solar charger so silly. The fact that you are relying on an optic to begin with that places such high demands on a batteries. Aimpoint has it right. Add new battery before your one year deployment then turn it on and forget about it. |
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Yes, I've worked on something for Aimpoints too, but I felt it was unnecessary with the newer versions. However, some people prefer Eotechs. This is designed for their needs, and for people who have them in regular use.. If you like your Eotech, and are concerned about the battery situation, this is a way to help. |
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Did you have a patent issued? If not, you may have just jeopardized that ever happening. Once something becomes know to the public, it changes the rules. My company has hundreds of thousands of patents, and we are very careful with who we show prototypes to. Europe has the most liberal policies, meaning, if I show something to someone over there, and they decide they want to patent the idea, they can because the product became "public domain" once I revealed the unprotected product to them. I would consult with your attorney about showing off your work before the paperwork is finalized. I wouldn't want your idea to get stolen.
Mike F |
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Nice job!! You've got a good product there. Well thought out.....
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You have a problem then and need to call the company. Mine I have never had a set of batteries go bad although I replaced a set two years old just because. Good job Tom! |
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IMO this is a great idea and something like this was overdue.
I'd be interested in having it done. good luck on your patent app. |
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Without going into too much detail, could this system be made into a stand-alone kit for home installation?
You could sell the system as a kit and also offer installation depending on the requirements of the customer. A solar powered optic would certainly swing me toward the Eotech over the competition. ZM |
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Yes, it could be done as a kit. |
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Man, just when we think you have thought of everything, you think of something else. You are turning into the Edison of modern firearms.
And I know you will show this baby to us at SHOT, right? |
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Nifty,
I wondered why the company didn't set up the eotech so you had different battery modules. Ie have the basic sight portion, and be able to plug in the AA, the N, or CR123 battery sections in. TWL, if you don't mind my asking(no problem if you don't want to say), Does this just effect the battery compartment, or is the tied into the eotech electronics? Well re-read the post and I see thats it is tied into the battery compartment. |
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I certainly hope to be at the SHOT Show this year. I actually had it at SHOT last year, but only displayed it to a few people. |
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I respectfully disagree with this statement NiMh batteries Do have memory, but not as bad as NiCd. Lithium batteries Do not have memory. ETA: Nice work none the less! |
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I think that once you receive your patent, that this would be worth showing to the folks at eotech.
Can you imagine a generation or two down the road? Holy moses. |
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Send me a postcard from the mountains of A-stan. |
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I guess there's no plans to make a solar charger for night vision and thermal sights? |
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I hope the mil folks or for that matter the EO folks give you a good size check to buy your patent! |
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I can do this for virtually any application that can use a form of rechargeable battery. I just need to have the data on the electrical requirements, and a place to laminate the panel on the housing. In other applications, I have laminated larger panels like these onto Crane/LMT type buttstocks, and provided battery charging for the batteries that are in the battery storage tube. Other applications are also possible. Call me to discuss. |
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Victor, If you think that something like this solar charging would be a benefit for items that you sell, please contact me and we can talk about what can be done to suit your needs. I can make something for almost any application that uses rechargeable batteries, and I have enough experience in this to be creative for the special needs of the application. |
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Whatever happened to the idea of a centralized energy source to power all the devices that need electric power, opics, lasers, NV/thermal devices, etc. that heretofore use their own batteries and have their own battery housing? I think the solar recharging can be of huge service if the centralized power pack ever comes to light. Imagine if the EOTech, lasers, NV/thermal devices doing without their bulky battery housing, they can be made much smaller, and we wouldn't have to carry all kinds of batteries with us
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+1,000 for Ingenuity! I do have a question. Will the sight still be usable with regular non regargable batteries? What if the solar panels gets damaged?
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Yes inovation is silly...wheres my flintlock, I need to walk to the outhouse. |
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This application you see here, and some others, was the preliminary work toward the centralized power source of which you speak. I needed some experience in powering various devices, and I did that by doing on-board charging as the initial foray. I've worked on some things to integrate it all together too.I have a variety of other stuff on the drawing board to distribute power, and keep it all waterproof for SEAL and commando use. The issues involved are the interconnecting circuitry, and the needs for a variety of voltages/currents for the different devices vs the battery storage capacity and charging capacity. It can be done. It is cumbersome in the AR15, because of the layout. Also, I'm not wealthy and have to do this stuff out of my back pocket, and that pocket is not deep. I'm basically just a working stiff that sells some stuff on ARFcom for commissions. As it turns out, the individual charging systems that are integral with the device provide an inexpensive and viable solution that isn't too complex, and isn't weapon dependent. I can take this concept as far as anyone needs. I've been doing solar power in many applications from homes and businesses, down to specialized applications like this, for years now. |
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Are there any solor panels that don't have the white "box" outlines on them?
Some people may not like the grid pattern this puts on the guard. What about the "memory effect" seen in other recharging cells. I understand this will be unlikely, but I think people may want to hear it from you. |
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I have never seen any panels without the grid pattern. These are the cell junctions, and are pretty much inherent in solar panels with the existing technology. The "memory effect" isn't present in the NiMh battery chemistry, which is why I selected that chemistry for this use. The NiCd batteries do have "memory effect" which can reduce the effective capacity of the batteries if full charge/discharge cycles are not used. NiCd batteries can be used in this system, but I felt that the elimination of the memory effect by using the NiMh batteries was more important than the slight improvement in self-discharge rate available from NiCd. This is a "shallow cycling" design which would have adverse affects from "memory effects" present in NiCd batteries. |
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That really neat!
How about making solar rail panels? You use one rail panel per device that needs to be charged. |
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Can do. |
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You missed the point. The research should be invested in making the batteries last longer, not developing devices to try to keep them charged. The battery in an Aimpoint M3 will last longer in the scope on the lowest NV setting than if it was out of the scope on the shelf. |
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I never knew a Aimpoint set on the lowest setting, discharges less energy then when the battery is just sitting on the shelf...wow. So the batteries design forces it to use energy when its not being used, but when its used it discharges less. Back to the point. An Aimpoint is a very simple device which uses little energy. an EOtech is a HOLOSIGHT which consumes more power, hence it will need batteries more often with current technology. The OP has come up with an INOVATIVE way to overcome the problem ON HIS LIMITED BUDGET...he isnt EVERREADY, he's a guy just like you and I. I'm sure the guys at EOtech are looking into ways to drop the power consumption as well. Alot of the problem is ppl forget to turn them off, or hit the on switch and dont realize it. Its apples and oranges. There was a post here about a guy's wife who left the car running all night...now my 68 Mustang even on a full tank would run dry in 10 hours...does that mean I need to switch to a different car? Tossing some BS around like your post, was uncalled for. |
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i am in when it's ready im or email me. this is somethingi'have been wondering about being possible for awile.
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Inovation is great... but I don't get it. Why would you want a sight that NEEDS this??
What happens when it gets dropped on the panel or Kachinks off of something with some force. and if it's a range Only Idea.. then just bring spare batteries... Good luck with your idea... |
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Your a freaking thinker and good luck on the sales side.
Seals, Memory,possible rev. discharge, overcharge, solar cell delamination. wiring connections. Thats all I could think of for now, it seems youve covered them all already. |
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Great idea, I tried doing something simular to this a couple of years ago. I used a mini usb attachment (much like you would use on a cell phone). Premise was you could attach it to a power source (wall plug) or solar panel (portable system). I still have it around here somewhere, but I lost interest in it. Maybe, I'll get it going again, and we can compare notes?
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NiMH have a HORRID self discharge rate once fairly well used. Id look to package your invention with some form of new hybrid stlye rechargables like Eneloops or Hybrios so when users pull out the EOtech out of the safe it wont be dead. Your EOtech would have still been working had those been installed at the patent attys office.
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Does the Zeiss's Z-Point not constitute prior art?
Last time I spoke with a patent attorney he explained that the average patent litigation trial was $62,000. That's just to get to the point of a judge telling the other guy to knock it off. The attorney told me he'd love to take my money but it would be better spent on production. Best advice I've ever followed. |
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Have you looked into the new long-shelf life NiMh batteries? I have a set which is supposed to retain 80% of charge after 12 months.
Haven't fully tested that but I keep them in my camera which gets used once or month or so it's always had charge everytime I pick it up. (had to recharge after 6 months because I left it switched on) |
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What are you using to prevent over-charge? Some type of regulator built into the existing cuircut maybe.
and what about "reverse" flow into the panel? that would then discharge you batteries... |
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Interesting concept . It appears to be simple and viable despite
the concerns of the detractors . Keep up the good work |
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Tagged!!! Now that's creative thinking! Put me down for a couple of DIY kits if it gets that far! Please keep us posted!...
Tomac |
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