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Posted: 3/7/2006 4:48:54 AM EDT

LaRue has just finished their new mount for the Aimpoint 3x magnifier. The model number is #LT602. This mount is made to attach directly to the rear end of the LT EO-Tech mount.

Also, this mount will be available in three heigths.
Low- to mount on the back of the LT EO-Tech mount (pictured)
Medium- to mount on the upper reciever rail behind an Eo-Tech (also mounted on the u.r rail)
High- to mount on the u.r. rail behind an Aimpoint

Posted: 3/7/2006 5:58:26 AM EDT

[#1]

That is cool

Posted: 3/7/2006 6:22:20 AM EDT

[#2]

Mark is a God.

Posted: 3/7/2006 7:13:52 AM EDT

[#3]

Very COOL!!!!!

Posted: 3/7/2006 7:51:24 AM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
Mark is a God.

On that one, even I will tell you: STOP IT!!!

You know, he believes anything you tell him, so.....

Posted: 3/7/2006 8:06:04 AM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Mark is a God.

On that one, even I will tell you: STOP IT!!!

You know, he believes anything you tell him, so.....

Hahaha yeah can't let go to his head.

One thing I can say about Mark. When you tell him he needs to change something, he changes it so fast it makes your head spin.

I can't recall any mount makers that actually listen to their customers and then go correct even the simplist detail. Mark LaRue is going to be major player in the mount/rail field for a very long time. If the other players don't start to catch up they are going to left far far behind.

Posted: 3/7/2006 9:33:44 AM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:

I can't recall any mount makers that actually listen to their customers and then go correct even the simplist detail. Mark LaRue is going to be major player in the mount/rail field for a very long time. If the other players don't start to catch up they are going to left far far behind.

Hey Boom,
I can give you one name. Scott Samson. Scott is pretty damn fast at making changes as well. It is good to know that we have two suppliers that can get things done!

McGrubbs,
Any idea what these things are going to cost?
Also, is the only quick release capability the throw lever?
And last, Can it be mounted further forward? It looks like it might be a little too far back for us "nose to charging handle" types.

Not to start a flame war (but I am sure it will

) I have an observation.
It seems to me that if the only release mechanisim is the throw lever, that an Aimpoint twist mount might be a better choice for anyone who does not use a riser or 1/3 lower co-witness Aimpoint mount. Of course, if you run a LaRue EOTech riser, this is your best option for a 3x mount and it keeps it all "in the family" so to speak. I just don't see it being a better option than the Quick Flip or the Twist Mount for anything other than matching it with other LaRue mounts.

On the positive side, the thing looks really freaking light! Also, with the thinner ring in the front, you can cut off the rubber armor, install it, and put some of the armor back on again in front of the ring.

ok, C4i, flame suit on.

TalonArms.com

Posted: 3/7/2006 9:55:57 AM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
Hey Boom,
I can give you one name. Scott Samson. Scott is pretty damn fast at making changes as well. It is good to know that we have two suppliers that can get things done!

"Yeah, Scott Samson was making changes for Steve Troy too. As in ..."let me change this from your pocket to mine". Besides he is not even in the same ball park when it comes to LaRue mounts.

Is he still a subcontractor for Dick Swan/ARMS? That new ARMS rail looks very very close to the First Troy design. At least Troy and Samson did not use plastic lower rails.

Disclaimer: Anything I write, type or say is my opinion and mine alone. Boom

Posted: 3/7/2006 10:06:46 AM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:

McGrubbs,
Any idea what these things are going to cost?
Also, is the only quick release capability the throw lever?
And last, Can it be mounted further forward? It looks like it might be a little too far back for us "nose to charging handle" types.

Not to start a flame war (but I am sure it will ) I have an observation.
It seems to me that if the only release mechanisim is the throw lever, that an Aimpoint twist mount might be a better choice for anyone who does not use a riser or 1/3 lower co-witness Aimpoint mount. Of course, if you run a LaRue EOTech riser, this is your best option for a 3x mount and it keeps it all "in the family" so to speak. I just don't see it being a better option than the Quick Flip or the Twist Mount for anything other than matching it with other LaRue mounts.

On the positive side, the thing looks really freaking light! Also, with the thinner ring in the front, you can cut off the rubber armor, install it, and put some of the armor back on again in front of the ring.

Not sure on the cost yet, so I am not going to just throw out a number.

The lever is the quick-release feature, like any optic mount.

As for location, it is mounted where you need it in relation to your EO-Tech. This mount will either attach to the LT EO-Tech mount (low version) or behind it on the flattop rail (medium version). It really depends on how you run your EO-Tech, on a LT mount or by itself.

Like I said, there will be three versions to suit the needs of users. To each, his own. But I will tell you that a fair number of shooters have simply been running their 3x magnifier in a standard LT ML2 mount. Personally speaking, I think the LaRue throw-lever is quick enough for most anyone. You have to think about fighting, not buying gear. The 3x magnifier is something to put on when you have the time to engage targets at greater distances. You will not have the time at CQB distances to mess with taking it either on or off.

I just can't see someone engaging targets at 100-200 yards, then if a threat emerges 3-50 yards away, reaching up to remove, flip over, etc. their magnifier. I tend to think that the flip mounts have been somewhat mis-represented in advertising as being great to do just that. It may make for great conjecture and sales, but it's not sound fighting.

BTW, no flame suit necessary.

Posted: 3/7/2006 10:10:00 AM EDT

[#9]

anyway to get a picture of the recticle after the 3X? trying to imagine how it looks is all. does the 1moa dot get magnified or something?

Thanks

Posted: 3/7/2006 10:18:07 AM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
anyway to get a picture of the recticle after the 3X? trying to imagine how it looks is all. does the 1moa dot get magnified or something?

Thanks

Everything gets magnified, reticle, target, everything in front of the 3X. This is a shot I took with a cheap camera.

Posted: 3/7/2006 10:56:23 AM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Hey Boom,
I can give you one name. Scott Samson. Scott is pretty damn fast at making changes as well. It is good to know that we have two suppliers that can get things done!

"Yeah, Scott Samson was making changes for Steve Troy too. As in ..."let me change this from your pocket to mine". Besides he is not even in the same ball park when it comes to LaRue mounts.

Is he still a subcontractor for Dick Swan/ARMS? That new ARMS rail looks very very close to the First Troy design. At least Troy and Samson did not use plastic lower rails.

Disclaimer: Anything I write, type or say is my opinion and mine alone. Boom

I am not going to say anything other than I think C4i is posting under your name

Posted: 3/7/2006 10:59:52 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
anyway to get a picture of the recticle after the 3X? trying to imagine how it looks is all. does the 1moa dot get magnified or something?

Thanks

Here is a pic of the reticle on a full sized IPSC target at 100 yards.
The center dot is magnified along with the rest of the sight picture. The center dot is about 3MOA as seen in this picture.

TalonArms.com

Posted: 3/7/2006 11:24:50 AM EDT

[#13]

Looks very nice. I like that a lot better than the flip-over mount from Sampson.

Posted: 3/7/2006 11:47:52 AM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:

I am not going to say anything other than I think C4i is posting under your name

What, under my name?

that does not make any sense. Grant and I do not agree on everything, but sometimes we do.

You'll learn I make my own decisions and keep my own council. I do indeed piss lots of people off, I am not the guy that holds his tongue, in the hope you will like me. I simply tell you like it is.

Back on Topic.

Samson does not compare with LaRue when it comes to changing his designs for the better. The above mount is what I am talking about. I asked Mark to please make this kind of mount, along with others several months ago. He finally got the chance, which is incredible considering he is so busy with the high demand for his products. It's only a matter of time before the military starts switching over to his products on a large scale.

I’m with McGrubbs on the Samson vs. LaRue mount. I have found you have plenty of time to install the 3X when engaging long distance targets, over the always on Samson mount. Another plus, I can switch it between my Aimpoint and EOtech. My 3X only goes behind my primary optic when I will be shooting long range, otherwise I use the main optic to engage.

Posted: 3/7/2006 12:02:52 PM EDT

[#15]

I didnt think it was possible for LaRue to kick any more ass than they did already, but I have been proven wrong!

Now, I just need to get a 3x mag., this mount, and a LaRue EOtech mount...

Posted: 3/7/2006 3:31:05 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:

Like I said, there will be three versions to suit the needs of users. To each, his own. But I will tell you that a fair number of shooters have simply been running their 3x magnifier in a standard LT ML2 mount. Personally speaking, I think the LaRue throw-lever is quick enough for most anyone. You have to think about fighting, not buying gear. The 3x magnifier is something to put on when you have the time to engage targets at greater distances. You will not have the time at CQB distances to mess with taking it either on or off.

I just can't see someone engaging targets at 100-200 yards, then if a threat emerges 3-50 yards away, reaching up to remove, flip over, etc. their magnifier. I tend to think that the flip mounts have been somewhat mis-represented in advertising as being great to do just that. It may make for great conjecture and sales, but it's not sound fighting.

BTW, no flame suit necessary.

McGrubbs,
Thank you for the friendly debate.

Don't discount the Quick Flip for just a lot of hype. Just as there are many professionals who use LaRue mounts, there are many running Quick Flips. SOCOM has ordered more Quick Flips than anyone else and I am quite sure the use them in combat!

You have to remember that DoD specified the quick detach capabilty when the contract went to Aimpoint. At that time, a throw lever or thumb screw were not considered fast enough. That is why Aimpoint came up with the twist mount. Samson was contacted and asked to develop a system that would have improvements and expanded capability. The Quick Flip is not just a flip model. It also has a throw lever just like the LaRue. The flip feature is in addition to, not in lieu of a quick detach mount.

With that said, it is really two different tools doing two different jobs.

If you are in a situation where you do not need split second transition you can use the throw lever on a LaRue mount. However, if you are in an unstable environment and you are facing threats and various distances, the Quick Flip will be a viable option.

Besides, I have photographic evidence that the Quick Flip will work with a LaRue cantilver Aimpoint mount. Nothing burst in to flames and they seem to get along just fine.

TalonArms.com

Posted: 3/7/2006 4:14:25 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Quoted:

I am not going to say anything other than I think C4i is posting under your name

What, under my name? that does not make any sense. Grant and I do not agree on everything, but sometimes we do.

You'll learn I make my own decisions and keep my own council. I do indeed piss lots of people off, I am not the guy that holds his tongue, in the hope you will like me. I simply tell you like it is.

Back on Topic.

Samson does not compare with LaRue when it comes to changing his designs for the better. The above mount is what I am talking about. I asked Mark to please make this kind of mount, along with others several months ago. He finally got the chance, which is incredible considering he is so busy with the high demand for his products. It's only a matter of time before the military starts switching over to his products on a large scale.

I’m with McGrubbs on the Samson vs. LaRue mount. I have found you have plenty of time to install the 3X when engaging long distance targets, over the always on Samson mount. Another plus, I can switch it between my Aimpoint and EOtech. My 3X only goes behind my primary optic when I will be shooting long range, otherwise I use the main optic to engage.

Boom,
Sorry if I pissed you off. I was trying to be nice. I have nothing negative to say about Mark LaRue or any LaRue product. And I can honestly say I remember you as a much more respectful man.

For the life of me I have no idea why some people can't be fan of LaRue and Samson both.

Posted: 3/7/2006 5:01:57 PM EDT

[#18]

Talon,

There were two mount manufacturers asked to make mounting solutions for the 3X and Samson was not one of them, it was more of a handoff to him from another company. Not trying to start anything, just getting the facts out. With that said, there are several mounting solutions out now for the 3X, GG&G makes one of the best but it is not talked about here very often.

The Flip Mount is not for me but that is personal preference, I know a lot of people who like them, it looks to me like the 3X could easily be knocked back into the locked position during an entry and cause problems but I have not heard of that happening to anyone yet.

The Twist Mount, a very simple, dependable design, the 3X can be stored in a pouch when not in use or easily detached and used as a monocular. The downside to this mount is anytime you detach something from your rifle there is the potential for loss of that item.

Larue makes excelent products (not sure that he has reached "god" status yet though Boom

)
and it looks like he has made another excelent product, The only downside I see to this mount will be eye relief when the 3X is behind an Aimpoint, the rear of the 3X is already over the charging handle and it is halfway up the 1913 rail, when mounted behind an Aimpoint it looks to me like the 3X will be too far back. Monty, do you have an Aimpoint that you can take a picture of the 3X and Larue mount with? If so I would really like to see how it sets.

Posted: 3/7/2006 5:31:05 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:

I am not going to say anything other than I think C4i is posting under your name

What, under my name? that does not make any sense. Grant and I do not agree on everything, but sometimes we do.

You'll learn I make my own decisions and keep my own council. I do indeed piss lots of people off, I am not the guy that holds his tongue, in the hope you will like me. I simply tell you like it is.

Back on Topic.

Samson does not compare with LaRue when it comes to changing his designs for the better. The above mount is what I am talking about. I asked Mark to please make this kind of mount, along with others several months ago. He finally got the chance, which is incredible considering he is so busy with the high demand for his products. It's only a matter of time before the military starts switching over to his products on a large scale.

I’m with McGrubbs on the Samson vs. LaRue mount. I have found you have plenty of time to install the 3X when engaging long distance targets, over the always on Samson mount. Another plus, I can switch it between my Aimpoint and EOtech. My 3X only goes behind my primary optic when I will be shooting long range, otherwise I use the main optic to engage.

Boom,
Sorry if I pissed you off. I was trying to be nice. I have nothing negative to say about Mark LaRue or any LaRue product. And I can honestly say I remember you as a much more respectful man.

For the life of me I have no idea why some people can't be fan of LaRue and Samson both.

Rob,

You in no way upset me. I am a very respectful person. I would glady buy you a beer at anytime. But when it comes to gear or other life depending items I am very forward in what I think, say and type.

Please do not take offense at the way I come off. I am sure you and me would be good friends if we knew each other.

Now as far as LaRue/Samson I don't know there buddy.

Beers on me whenever we meet.

Cheers

Joe

Posted: 3/8/2006 11:10:29 AM EDT

[#20]

More pics:

Posted: 3/8/2006 11:17:41 AM EDT

[#21]

Looks great, thanks for the pics!

Posted: 3/8/2006 1:23:54 PM EDT

[#22]

Posted: 3/8/2006 7:41:42 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
The center dot is magnified along with the rest of the sight picture. The center dot is about 3MOA as seen in this picture.

TalonArms.com

Thanks for the pic, looks like I might prefer that to my prior 2x Aimpoint. My study of optics in physics was a long time ago, so please help me out here.

How does putting the 3x magnifier between the eye and the reticle change the dot from 1MOA to 3MOA? I would have thought it would still subtend 1MOA, but would appear magnified as would the target. Wouldn't they maintain the same proportions, just appear 3x closer?

If you were to somehow put the magnifier between the reticle and the target (ignoring problems with eye relief, FOV, etc.), then would this happen? The dot would remain the same physical size, but appear over a target 3x larger, thus being effectively 1/3MOA? I think that's how Aimpoint did the 2x 2MOA - took a 4MOA unit, slapped a magnifier on the objective end, and ended up with 2MOA (4MOA/2x = 2MOA).

Someone please correct my mistakes here, b/c I'm confused.

ETA: just read on the EOTech web page FAQ that the dot is actually less than 1/3MOA but they advertize it as 1MOA. Assuming one could figure out holdover, that could be a nice setup for longer ranges.

Posted: 3/9/2006 7:04:04 AM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:
Quoted:
The center dot is magnified along with the rest of the sight picture. The center dot is about 3MOA as seen in this picture.

TalonArms.com

Thanks for the pic, looks like I might prefer that to my prior 2x Aimpoint. My study of optics in physics was a long time ago, so please help me out here.

How does putting the 3x magnifier between the eye and the reticle change the dot from 1MOA to 3MOA? I would have thought it would still subtend 1MOA, but would appear magnified as would the target. Wouldn't they maintain the same proportions, just appear 3x closer?

If you were to somehow put the magnifier between the reticle and the target (ignoring problems with eye relief, FOV, etc.), then would this happen? The dot would remain the same physical size, but appear over a target 3x larger, thus being effectively 1/3MOA? I think that's how Aimpoint did the 2x 2MOA - took a 4MOA unit, slapped a magnifier on the objective end, and ended up with 2MOA (4MOA/2x = 2MOA).

Someone please correct my mistakes here, b/c I'm confused.

ETA: just read on the EOTech web page FAQ that the dot is actually less than 1/3MOA but they advertize it as 1MOA. Assuming one could figure out holdover, that could be a nice setup for longer ranges.

No you are no confused. The dots physical size has not changed it is still 1/3 moa. It just appears bigger along with everything else it sees due to the 3X.

Posted: 3/9/2006 9:08:56 AM EDT

[#25]

Why the hell didn`t the mighty Aimpoint genius`s make that 3x magnifier just screw on to the back of the Aimpoint itself?

Same goes for the Eotech, look at the body design of the Eotech it`s a perfect shape for droping on to it sometype of magnifier, hell you could have whatever magification you wanted with different magnifiers.
A groove on either side of the Eotech shroud and they could have a magifier drop down on it easily.

Posted: 3/9/2006 10:28:41 AM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
Why the hell didn`t the mighty Aimpoint genius`s make that 3x magnifier just screw on to the back of the Aimpoint itself?

Same goes for the Eotech, look at the body design of the Eotech it`s a perfect shape for droping on to it sometype of magnifier, hell you could have whatever magification you wanted with different magnifiers.
A groove on either side of the Eotech shroud and they could have a magifier drop down on it easily.

For the Aimpoint there would have too much unsupported weight if the 3X screwed into the end of it and it would not have taken much to break it.

Posted: 3/9/2006 11:13:58 AM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
More pics:

img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/mcgrubbs/magnifiermount007-2.jpg

img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/mcgrubbs/magnifiermount002-2.jpg

img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/mcgrubbs/magnifiermount-2.jpg

Send that to me so I can "test" it

Posted: 3/9/2006 1:56:59 PM EDT

[#28]

And why does a simple 3x monocular, with no reticule or POA adjustment system, cost so damn much?

If Burris can make a 3x scope for less than $50, then why does the Swedish Wonder Magnifier cost $450?

Is Swedish glass made of unobtainium? Is each one made by hand by buxom blond Valkyries? Or are they made... ?

Posted: 3/9/2006 2:06:19 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Why the hell didn`t the mighty Aimpoint genius`s make that 3x magnifier just screw on to the back of the Aimpoint itself?

Same goes for the Eotech, look at the body design of the Eotech it`s a perfect shape for droping on to it sometype of magnifier, hell you could have whatever magification you wanted with different magnifiers.
A groove on either side of the Eotech shroud and they could have a magifier drop down on it easily.

For the Aimpoint there would have too much unsupported weight if the 3X screwed into the end of it and it would not have taken much to break it.

That could be overcome with a revised slightly thicker/longer casing on the Aimpoint so there would be more threaded area, it`s not like they have done alot of new RD to it to justify it`s steady price over the years.

All the Eotech needs is a new shroud with magnified optics that slide onto it from above instead of that new deal hanging behind another NEW model.
You wouldn`t have to mess with the electronics or anything just a nice magnified optic.

Posted: 3/10/2006 10:38:04 AM EDT

[#30]

Sort of makes me wish I had gone with the Larue EOTech mount instead of the Dominator. I'd love to have a little magnification but I don't think both would fit on the Dominator. May have to look into that though.

Posted: 3/10/2006 1:48:16 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

If Burris can make a 3x scope for less than $50, then why does the Swedish Wonder Magnifier cost $450?

Because the market will allow it.Remember when ACOG's were 1K because they couldn't manufacture them fast enough ? Trijicon moved to a bigger plant,started producing a shitload more of them,then the price corrected itself.

Once the demand for this goes down,so will the asking price.

Just an un-educated opinion of course

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