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Posted: 8/29/2005 6:17:27 AM EDT
I have an Aimpoint CompC, I think, and I got it and a ARMS Swan Sleeve #38-EX off of eBay for $350. It's a great sight, but I have always thought that the fact that it didn't have any magnification was disappointing. I have considered selling it every once in a while and buying an ACOG or the like, but the great price I got on it and the expensive prices of an ACOG have always kept me from doing so.
So, now this magnification optic built specifically for my Aimpoint comes out and the thing seems to work fantastic. With a twist off mount or a flip to the side mount available, it could make my Aimpoint extremely versatile. But at a price of more than $450! I just can't justify paying that much for it. Does anyone think there is a hope of it coming down in price anytime soon? I would pay $200-250 for it. Anything else and it comes in too close to the price of an ACOG and then I think I would be better just having an all-in-one optic. |
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Yes, I think it's too expensive...for me, at this point in time.
Quality costs...but how can you determine if it's quality enough to warrant the price tag, or they're just selling it at an arbitrarily high price because it's the only one you can buy? Who the hell knows lol. |
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I think the price is pretty steep, especially when you add the price of the mount in with it. By that time, you've got an ACOG, all in one package.
Having said that, I'll probably still but one. |
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I also think it is a lot for what it is, but Aimpoint is the only one to have produced one that works. EoTech has been working on theirs for some time now, but still nothing. People have been racking their brains trying to figure out how to rig a cheap monocular and achieve the same thing. But so far there's nothing that comes close to working. If you want what this offers, you pay the price. Same is true of the ACOG...
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Oh, its worth mentioning that while I think it is a lot of money... I did buy one with the Samson flip mount. The Flip mount is easily the most expensive mount for it, but its the only thing like it and probably the very best, most versitile mount you can buy for the magnifier.
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I'm done with fancy expensive optics and the ridiculously high-priced mounts.
For now. No seriously, I think the magnifier is worth 250-300 bucks. That's what I would be willing to pay. |
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I feel the exact same way. When you add up the price, you could get an ACOG, then you realize you are contemplating putting $1000 down for an optic, and sigh in frustration that you can't afford the cool toys you want. <sigh>
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It is dang expensive, so was my TA31 and TA31F, Nightforce NSX, the Aimpoint M3 2MOA to go with the magnifier, my Leupolds, the ARMS and Leupold and LT and Samson mounts, and so forth.
Heck, only the PK-A for my Norinco was reasonably priced, but it's no Aimpoint. The good sh-t costs, that'll never change. However, it is worth mentioning that the 3X Magnifier can be used on other rifles with Eotech or Aimpoints with no adjustments required, just put it on and fire away. Tactically speaking, that is an advantage. |
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For what it is, I think it's really expensive.
A monocular with a longer eye relief and rubber coating......for over $400? Yikes! $200 would be more doable, but still a little expensive for what you get. All the above is my personal opinion. No flames intended or needed. WIZZO |
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im thinking of actually selling my eotech to get an acog. because with the price of the magnifier and mount, it costs more than an acog. and i like an acog better.
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And then you have to factor in the cost of up-grading to either the M3 or ML3 in order to make it all worth while!
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The Aimpoint set-up is more versatile. The battery powered dot solves the dark reticule problem that can occur when using the ACOG in some lighting conditions. The Aimpoint without magnifier is faster for most folks to use (myself included) in CQB range. The Aimpoint with magnifier has about an inch more eye relief than the TA-31. Without the magnifier, eye relief is of course not an issue and a consistent cheekweld is not as critical as it with the TA-31. The TA-31 doesn't require batteries which means there are no batteries to fail at the worst possible time. The glass on the TA-31 is much clearer than the Aimpoint (even when both wear ARDs). The dot on the TA-31 is defined so the dot itself can be used for BDC and the reticule incorporates BDC. The TA-31 has no moving parts (save the W/E knobs which are not exposed) whereas the Aimpoint has a brightness control which can be snapped off if dropped (it happens). |
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I've got the whole package for sale in the EE NIB Magnifier with a LaRue PVS14 mount for under $600. I will seperate. Its a great product, but I've got other commitments.
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I am considering trying and alternative to the 3x magnifier. I have an original Colt 3x20 BDC scope. I have held that by hand behind my Aimpoint and any scope will sight through an Aimpoint but this Colt scope is fairly compact. In front of the top turret/BDC knob, there is nearly 1.5 inches of 35mm diameter tube. TPS makes 35mm rings. I am thinking two of these rings of the right height atop an ARMS #17 short 1913 rail will give me quick detach 3x power optic behind the Aimpoint. Yes there is a duplex style reticle in the scope....but we'll see when I get the money for the mounts. I haven't used the scope in years. If it holds zero it'll be fine for daylight and the aimpoint's dot for low light..Maybe
I do not know of any extended eye relief monoculars to try. |
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Unless I get a great deal on a used one, I will just get an ACOG. Hell, I probably will anyway....
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Did I say it would not work? I think not. If you're going to spend that kind of coin then why not do it right! IMO a 4moa dot coupled with a 3X optic is just a bit too large for even semi-precision shooting. |
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You did not explicitly state that an M2/ML2 would not work with the magnifier but you did insiniuate that it is necessary to purchase an M3/ML3 if you are going to use the magnifier. My point was to clearly illustrate to anyone reading this thread that either series of Aimpoint will work fine with the magnifier. If Aimpoint had designed the magnifier to only be used with a 2 MOA dot then they would have specifically stated that. It is completely acceptable to have a your preference but it is also important to clearly explain why you have said preference. |
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I like the Aimpoint 3X setup, but I would have hoped for a bit more clarity for that kind of cash. I think I could have stomached the price for something that's almost as clear as an ACOG. The M3 and 3X is actually pretty light when compared to a S&B Short Dot and LaRue SPR-E. That, and the battery life is way better... I only wish the optics were more clear. Then it would be a REALLY nice setup.
I'm holding onto a M3-2MOA to use with a 3X, but it won't be until I get a Form 1 back for my CQBR... And I still might end up using something else. -Cap'n |
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I usually buy everything, so its absence from my kit must indicate I consider it way over priced. If I were going to war I would pay the at war prices and get one, but being at home at the moment, inflated war prices don’t appeal to me. I’ve already paid enough inflated war on terror prices on other equipment to hold me over until this one is over. I think most of arfcom agrees with me. Most new gear, especially a step forward from Aimpoint, would cause a major upgrade among arfcomers. Instead only a few here have bought them (or they are keeping it a secret). That tells me I’m not alone in thinking it’s way overpriced. |
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Well, I'll agree with that much. But for a short and medium range optic setup, especially if used with the QF mount, it strikes me as the best setup there is, period, and a perfect match to the .556 platform. I really like my TA31, I shot about 300 rounds this morning with my 14.5" A2, mostly at 100 yards. Pretty much semi-rapid fire (30 rounds in about 40 seconds) with Q3131A into a 4" circle using the top of the donut as my aiming point, concrete bench or floor, bipod, or mag as a monopod, and the new (for me) Dieter grip really really helps you use the mag as a monopod. But if I was going to combat, I'd take the Aimpoint/Magnifier/QF setup for sure. |
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It IS too expensive, and it doesn't work very well IMO. (Shitty FOV, dims the view, and not very clear).
I'd rather have an ACOG on a QD mount to put in my range bag or in a MOLLE pouch to replace the EOTECH for longer range shots. |
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Wow, amazing that I even hit the target with it. Maybe...............I should've bought an Eotech. I guess each has it's rabid fans, like the camera boards. Actually, even compared to my other optics, I'm pretty pleased with it. |
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for that price it better come with a hooker and a pound of blow.
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As I stated earlier, comparing the Aimpoint magnifier combo to an ACOG is like comparing apples to oranges. Each set-up has pros and cons. |
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i have had the dilemma of trying to figure out whether or not I wanted the magnifier or an ACOG. I decided to leave my eotech on my carbine for my home defense weapon and then just buy another rifle and put an acog on it for longer ranges. At least that way my dollars actually pay for products that are worth something.
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There is no doubt the magnifyer is WAY over priced. Seriously, WHY would you buy the magnifyer unless you were actually going to go to the sandbox or actually used your rifle for combat/LE situations. For most of us couch comandos where our targets don't shoot back, we really have to sit and think about WHY we would want this. Maybe it's to look cool, or have the newest thing out, and thats fine, to each their own. But for me personally, there's no way I would spend 500$+ on a 3x magnifyer when i can get a REAL scope that has REAL prescision far superior to a 3x monocular for less $$$. Speed you say? Bottom line is, if you have to use your weapon in a self defense situation, ALL you need or want is a simple aimpoint or eotech with no mag at all because it WILL be at close range, or else you'll have a hard sell to the jury it wasn't murder. If your like me, and like to use your AR for hunting, you can get a decent scope and a reapeatable QD mount set for it, and simply mount it in place of the eotech/aimpoint, and have a much better settup for precision, for less than the simple mag costs. Even in a SHTF scenario, an unmagnified optic is plenty suficient for any distance that you would even remotely need to consider engaging any target, or for that matter any distance that your ammo will more than likely do it's job sufficiently. Personally, i'll continue to use my eotech as the full time optic on my AR, and take the extra whopping 1 minute or so to throw a 3-9x nikon on there when i want to use it for hunting or more prescision shooting. Or eventually build another AR strictly for prescision(hell, for the price of the 3x mag and a decent mount you can damn near build another complete AR).
For a couple hundred bucks, the 3x mag might be a worthwhile toy, but more than that for it's limited real world uses and it's a waste IMO. Maybe if eotech's magnifyer combo works a little better, and is somewhat reasonably priced, I'll give it a shot, but there aint no way in hell I'm shelling out a grand for a half ass result. Either buy two optics designed for their specific jobs and that do it RIGHT, or buy an Acog, and learn how to compensate for it's CQB weaknesses. I guess the bottom line to my ramblings is there are more than likely better alternatives for the vast majority of shooters. IMO, the aimpoint/3x is best suited for military/LE and serious shooting competitions sch as 3 gun. For the rest of us, we are better off with an Acog or two separate optics designed for 2 different jobs, at least until we see the new eotech settup and it's price point. |
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I bet those magnifiers might come in real handy for some couch potatoes in New Orleans, Biloxi, and Mobile Bay. Don't see much of a police deterrent there.
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As Edwin and MattB have stated before me in this thread and I have stated before in other threads, you can't really compare it to an ACOG. It is a totally different beast.
The 3x was developed specificly to give added range to the Aimpoint CQB optic. It was never designed or marketed to be a "scope". The Aimpoint magnifier is an excellent tool to help identify targets at further distances and engage if need be. If you shoot paper targets at 300 yards on a range you can hit them all day with an Aimpoint or EOTech alone. But if your target is moving in and out of cover and shooting back, a little magnification can make the difference in a hit or a miss. The 3x can also be removed or flipped out of the way quickly if you must transition from the street to entering a building. If you shoot at a range, from a bench, buy a scope. If you need a CQB aiming system that will allow you to identify and engage targets with greater effectiveness, get a 3x magnifier to use with your Aimpoint or EOTech. Yes it is expensive, but those of us who run them will tell you that they are worth every penny. TalonArms.com |
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Amen. God Bless those folks. |
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Not expensive if your can span it accross several weapon systems. With three of my weapons systems that utilize the magnifier, that's $133 a pop. Yeah Good! As for the EOTech system (which has yet been releases) why bother? No backwards compatibility with their own previous units, what did they happen to forget their established customer base? Oh, for shits and giggles, anyone bother to try the magnifier with a low power scout scope? Gives a whole new meaning scout M1As and 16" SOCOMs. |
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Its a $400 3X scope. Thats not THAT crazy. You guys act like a $400 scope is super expensive or something.
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If you don't have the money, I guess it's too expensive. So you don't get one.
If you do have the money it's NOT too expensive. So you DO get one. I love mine. C'mon we're talking about $450 here people. SOme of you guys drop more twice that, without a second thought, on a new rifle you don't shoot. |
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I think I can summarize this thread this way. If you think it's too expensive, you either don't see the value in it or can't afford it. There is no dishonor is either opinion. But it is what it is and it costs what the market will bear. If you want to play, ya gotta pay. |
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Hell yes. There's a lot of open areas due to the water. A lot of long streets/canals. Where you're used to thinking of ground level with the associated clutter, a lot of LOSs are "raised" a good bit, and clear of clutter due to it being underwater. You can see (and be seen) much further from a rooftop or whatever. It isn't all bayou and close country. And you don't neccessarily have to be shooting all of that distance. A magnified optic lets you ID/IFF from a lot farther off. |
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Since my post pretty much got turned into some kind of statement that the M68 and 3x is equivalent to an ACOG, I'm almost sorry I said that. I didn't mean to imply that they were interchangeable. I was simply stating the economics of the issue, not looking at the capabilities. I think the price is high, but I'll buy one. I thought the price was high for my ACOGs, but I've got those. And they are worth all of the money that they cost. IMO, the added capability is probably going to be worth it to me. I'd just buy it sooner if it were about $100 cheaper. |
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The etching of a lens to make it have a reticle is practically a non cost its so inexpensive. Other than that its a weapon scope. |
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