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Posted: 9/16/2004 10:19:18 AM EDT
[#1]
Are you KIDDING? They LOOK TACTICAL!!!!! That's what we all want! 
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Posted: 9/16/2004 10:40:45 AM EDT
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It will probably serve its purpose for most recreational shooters, but it is among the weakest and worst monts of the many, many options available to you.
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Posted: 9/16/2004 10:43:55 AM EDT
[#3]
Thanks. Please describe how it is weak. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 11:12:17 AM EDT
[#4]
Are you talking about the Aimpoint QRP mount?
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Posted: 9/16/2004 11:47:10 AM EDT
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Yes |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 12:03:39 PM EDT
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Nothing wrong with the QRP. It's the original issue mount and works very well. I've had one for several years with no problems. RTZ seems to be fine.
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Posted: 9/16/2004 1:13:07 PM EDT
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I've got QRP mounts on both of my Aimpoints. The only problem I've had in the couple years I've had them are that the large know sometimes tangles in the sling or web gear. I've heard reports of the large knobs breaking during hard use by guys in the military. I have no plans of replacing either of mine with more expensive mounts.
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Posted: 9/16/2004 3:13:20 PM EDT
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Damn fine mount, and I used one for years with zero problems. I would love for new-arguy to back up his "but it is among the weakest and worst monts" statement. In my opinion its a great mount for the money. Very strong and always kept its zero. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 3:42:25 PM EDT
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I don't know what Aimpoint was thinking when they put that HUGE KNOB on what could otherwise be a very nice/affordable mount!
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Posted: 9/16/2004 3:59:11 PM EDT
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Comparitively speaking is all. Like I said, it is likely that it will serve the needs of most everyone, but put up against most any other mount you can get for it (Knights, GG&G, ARMS, LaRue, PRI, etc) I would bet money the QRP would break first. Kind of like saying should I buy cast or forged? A good cast receiver will withstand everything most recreational shooters have to throw at it and more, but it will break first when put up next to a forged.
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:07:13 PM EDT
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I'm still wondering why? |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:16:53 PM EDT
[#12]
Different reports I have read and what others have told me for the most part. I swear several of the repots specifically compllained about the mount. I'll never forget the picture of the guy in Iraq holding the broken QRP mount in his hand. I realize there are probably going to be problems with all the mounts at some point or another being used in conditions like that, and maybe the reason I have heard so many more problems with the QRP is it is because its used most?
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:18:58 PM EDT
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Thanks for your comments guys.
I think I'll stick with the good 'ole advise: if it isn't broken, don't fix it. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 7:27:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/16/2004 7:56:27 PM EDT
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Thanks for your service in Iraq.  As you noted, the QRP works. Problem is, it isn't this week's fashonable mount. It doesn't say LaRue or even, cough, cough, ARMS on it so it must suck, right? WRONG! The QRP is a great mount that works. BTW, was fashion a big issue on the ground in Iraq? I can't imagine popping some islamic dirtbag with my Aimpoint dangling from some crummy old QRP and about to fall of the rifle. 
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Posted: 9/16/2004 7:59:34 PM EDT
[#16]
Ok, sarcasm mode off...
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Posted: 9/16/2004 8:43:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/16/2004 9:27:01 PM EDT
[#18]
You mean this picture? 
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Posted: 9/16/2004 9:28:47 PM EDT
[#19]
While it is clearly broken, it also looks like it'll still hold the aimpoint securely in place. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 9:32:00 PM EDT
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How about the ones that wouldn't? Apparently, this picture was taken as a result of feedback from soldiers who are actually using their weapons for a living. The mount was considered a weakness by them. Feedback from Iraq |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 9:43:30 PM EDT
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I read the linked report. There was no general complaint by soldiers about the QRP mount and the only reference to the mount was that picture which had this caption: "Figure 35. Broken rail grabber as a result of contact (buttstroke) with a combatant." |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 9:52:58 PM EDT
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Since the photograph was displayed with the accompanying M68 report and issued a figure number, I'm sure it will be included in any future briefings. There must be some significance if they photographed it and attached it to the report. Also, since the failure occured as a result of a buttstroke and the sight is nowhere near the buttstock, that means the weight of the sight alone broke the mount. Sounds like a weakness to me. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 10:04:54 PM EDT
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Possibly. However, if the evidence that the QRP is a weak mount is a picture of a mount broken over an enemy's head when the rifle is used as a impact weapon - especially in the light of the shear number of QRP's issued and acutually used in combat - then it's good enough for me. Besides, I haven't beat the snot out of anyone with my rifle lately.  |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 10:09:21 PM EDT
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If so it was probably already cracked or damaged. What about the posibility that it impacted the tango somehow in the followthrough, in wich case I still think it was already cracked. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 10:10:54 PM EDT
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Looks like one Aimpoint mount that broke after being used as a baseball bat to me. The report went in great detail with other equipment failures. If the Aimpoint mount was giving them any major problems it would have listed. All the picture shows is one broken Aimpoint mount, thats it. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 10:24:28 PM EDT
[#26]
+1
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Posted: 9/17/2004 5:33:41 PM EDT
[#27]
Yes that is the picture and yeah that was one of the reports... Again, Im not saying it is a weak (as in bad) mount. I think I've said every time it will probably just fine for most people's use. But I am saying it is probably among the weakest of the ones I had listed way above.
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Posted: 9/17/2004 5:43:52 PM EDT
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That could very well be true. They may have included the picture to prompt further investigation to see if others are having problems. It would be interesting to hear feedback from SOF troops as they seem to favor the sturdier platforms. |
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Posted: 9/17/2004 7:52:05 PM EDT
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One picture of an Aimpoint mount that broke after being used as bat in combat makes the Aimpoint mount "Weak"? Hell, we've all seen photos of broken mounts before from virtually every manufacturer. Does that make them all weak?
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Posted: 9/18/2004 8:33:52 AM EDT
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The Army insisted on this mount for the M145 MGO based on how well it worked with the M68 CCO. A few failures don't indicate a bad product.
Note that QR means Quick Release. This allows the mount to be removed quickly under all conditions, including wearing gloves. Since the mechanism is a screw it allows for slight variations of rail widths. ARMS mount (for one) doesn't. I still have the original M68 with the QR mount and see no compelling reason to change or "upgrade" either. -- Chuck |
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Posted: 9/18/2004 8:50:04 AM EDT
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It's an alright mount, you just need to put the knob on the strong side instead of the normal weak side. That prevents allot of snagging.
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Posted: 9/18/2004 8:53:03 AM EDT
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The Aimpoint QRP mount is what is issued to us. We used them in Iraq and had no real problems with them at all. I have seen bent ones but not broken ones, I also use one on my personal M4... On that note do you realize what combat is like at all? Anything can break, and anything WILL break in combat given the right situation. Our M16A4's and M4's broke out there as well. I HATE the aimpoint scopes we have though... total junk. we went to the range this last week and it was raining. Even with the caps closed on the scopes during the rain, when we went to qualify after the rain you could not see AT ALL through the damn things, complete fog out. I have no complaints about the mount though.
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