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Posted: 9/14/2004 7:16:41 PM EDT
    THIS IS ONE NEAT UNIT. GEN III+, 64 LP/MM. TWO OUNCES LIGHTER THAN THE PVS-14, WATERPROOF TO 66 FEET, BETTER CONTROLS, MUCH BETTER BATTERY CAP. COMES WITH HEAD MOUNT, ADAPTER, SOFT CASE, ADAPTER ARM, WEAPON MOUNT, AND TACTICAL ACCESSORY PACK, PLUS MANUAL. MAYBE THE BEST THING ABOUT IT IS THAT IT DOES NOT YET HAVE AN NSN-NUMBER. THAT MEANS THEY CAN BE HAD, UNLIKE PVS-14'S. WES GRANT M.S.T.N. |
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Posted: 9/14/2004 7:22:14 PM EDT
[#1]
I'm drooling all over my computer screen.
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Posted: 9/14/2004 7:35:15 PM EDT
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They can use a better printed manual, in light of how much it costs
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Posted: 9/14/2004 7:45:32 PM EDT
[#3]
Price?
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Posted: 9/14/2004 7:54:13 PM EDT
[#4]
Hmm....
Now that is a tempting piece of merchandise. (Gawdam you to hell, Grant). Can you tell me if that little cutie will slide in behind an EO on a LaRue mount? Please be advised: If your answer is 'yes', I will enclose the bill from my bankruptcy attorney along with my check for the unit. SD |
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Posted: 9/14/2004 8:32:09 PM EDT
[#5]
One more thing I can't afford...
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Posted: 9/15/2004 2:03:22 AM EDT
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+1 Semper Fi Jeff |
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Posted: 9/15/2004 2:10:33 AM EDT
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+2 |
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Posted: 9/15/2004 2:58:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/15/2004 6:05:04 AM EDT
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You can get the ITT 6015 for around $2,600 (and change) if you want a GEN III NV device (my .02)....
C4 www.gandrtactical.com |
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Posted: 9/15/2004 8:53:44 AM EDT
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well if you want my two cents,i work in the industry and this is the best unit out there, compact , lightweight, good controls. bad news is that they are hard to get right now and demand is high.
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Posted: 9/15/2004 9:22:37 AM EDT
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This unit is identical to the US Night Vision 14 (USNV-14).
www.usnightvision.com/USNightVision.cgi?ProductBrowser=Monoculars Insight designed/built this unit for USNV, and it has been on the commercial market for a couple of years already through USNV. Now Insight is selling this under their own brand name. edit to add: BTW, there was a guy selling this at EE weeks ago for $3K in mint. |
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Posted: 9/15/2004 9:24:01 AM EDT
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i agree, I had the PVS14 which is basically the 6015 with gain control and that sucker was getting heavy by the end of the night. the new Mini14 is 2oz lighter, 2oz don't seem much but it sure made a big difference the next night. I like the PVS14 and I like the new mini14. if I had the cash, i will take the mini14. but i do like the mount option on the PVS14/6015 a bit better using the GG&G QD mount. |
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Posted: 9/15/2004 9:47:05 AM EDT
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C4IGRANT,
WHAT IS THE BASIS OF YOUR TWO CENTS WORTH? DO YOU HAVE AN ITT 6015 (ITT COMMERCIAL/LE VERSION, PVS-14 HOUSING WITH FIXED GAIN) OR VARIATION OF THE PVS-14? IF INDEED YOU DO, YOU ARE AWARE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THE BATTERY CAP ON SUCH HOUSINGS. IF YOU HAVE A PVS-14 WITH VARIABLE GAIN, YOU ARE AWARE HOW FRAGILE THE GAIN RHEOSTAT KNOB SHAFT IS. AND IF YOU HAVE EITHER THE ITT 6015 OR A VERSION OF THE PVS-14, YOU CAN APPRECIATE THE ADVANTAGE OF A UNIT LIKE THE M.U.M. WATERPROOF TO 66 FEET AS OPPOSED TO THE PVS-14 WHICH IS GOOD, ACCORDING TO MY MANUAL AT LEAST, FOR ONLY TEMPORARY SUBMERSION TO NO MORE THAN 6 FEET MAX! DO YOU HAVE AN M.U.M.? THE WAY WE CELEBRATE FESTIVE OCCASIONS DOWN HERE IS TO SHOOT STEEL AT NIGHT WITH M855 AND TRACERS USING NIGHT VISION. M.S.T.N. HAS SOLD OVER $100,000 WORTH OF N.V.D.'S OVER THE YEARS. NONE OF THIS MAKES ME AN EXPERT, BUT I DO AT LEAST HAVE SOME BASIS FOR MY THOUGHTS ON THE SUBJECT. AS SMG LEE MENTIONED, TWO OUNCES MATTERS AT THE END OF THE NIGHT. CONSIDER THE FACT THAT ONE MUST SUSPEND AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF WEIGHT (LEAD) LIKE TAPE-ON WHEEL WEIGHTS INSIDE THE BACK OF ONE'S HELMET TO BALANCE OUT THE HARD HAT. THE CONTROLS ON THE M.U.M. CRUSH THAT OF THE PVS-14, IN MY OPINION. THE GG&G WAS THE BENCHMARK AGAINST WHICH I MEASURED OTHER NVD MOUNTS FOR YEARS, UNTIL LARUE CAME ON THE SCENE. THE (FREE! INCLUDED!) INSIGHT TECH WEAPON MOUNT IS MORE STOUT THAN THE GG&G, AND ALLOWS FOR THE ADAPTER ARM TO STAY ATTACHED, AND IS AT LEAST ADEQUATE FOR THE LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME THE NVD WILL BE ON THE WEAPON. EMAIL FOR PRICING, IF INTERESTED. MAYBE I'LL RUN AN AD ON THE E.E. WE DON'T WANT CERTAIN FOLKS GETTING THEIR PANTIES IN A WAD OVER MY DISCUSSING PRICES ON THE DISCUSSION FORUMS. WES |
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Posted: 9/15/2004 10:37:55 AM EDT
[#14]
Wesly, I have used the 6015 and PVS-14D (I believe that was the model). I have not used the M.U.M., but have heard from other sources that it is good. My point is that most shooters (especially on this board) can get a QUALITY GEN III NV device for around $2,600. That is at least $500 to $700 cheaper than the Insight model. My question is the greater submergence depth, easier controls and better battery cap REALLY worth that much extra money??? Seeing how most of the folks on this board will not be seeing combat any time soon (where the enhancements of the Insight would prove more valuable) I don't personally view the extra money worth it.... C4 |
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Posted: 9/15/2004 10:49:14 AM EDT
[#15]
tagged
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Posted: 9/15/2004 6:16:35 PM EDT
[#16]
So the PVS-14 and the ITT 6015 are the Tacpoints of the NV world?
 C'mon guys, what happened to world peace? |
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Posted: 9/15/2004 6:41:47 PM EDT
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GRANT-
QUITE FEW OF MY CUSTOMERS DO SEE COMBAT, LIKE THE NEW OWNERS OF THE FOUR M.U.M.'S YOU SEE HERE. WES "DON'T CALL ME GRANT" GRANT M.S.T.N. |
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Posted: 9/15/2004 8:24:14 PM EDT
[#18]
so wait a minute here... are you telling me with this thing you can see in the dark?
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Posted: 9/16/2004 12:46:29 AM EDT
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It is a good unit. Overall design reflects the improvement of the PVS-14.
Interesting to know you have tried it in TWN (Taiwan?). |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 1:49:02 AM EDT
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Sweet
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Posted: 9/16/2004 3:53:14 AM EDT
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Wesly, Totally different customer. I would expect that folks going into combat have ZERO problem paying the extra $500-$700 for the upgrades (know I would). For the average Joe that needs NV for varmint hunting or home protection the 6015 will sever them VERY well.... C4 |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:29:50 AM EDT
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LET ME MAKE SURE I HAVE THIS STRAIGHT: YOU'VE "USED" A PVS-14 AND NEVER EVEN SEEN AN INSIGHT TECHNOLOGIES M.U.M., YET YOU FEEL QUALIFIED TO PONTIFICATE ON THEIR RELATIVE WORTH? DID YOU STAY IN A HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS LAST NIGHT? IS THAT THE BASIS OF YOUR EXPERTISE? YOUR PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE WITH THEM CERTAINLY DO NOT QUALIFY YOU.
I'VE OWNED AND SOLD GEN III NVD'S FOR GOING ON SIX YEARS. PRESENTLY, I HAVE AN ITT F6015P OMNI-IV MILSPEC UNIT WITH VARIABLE GAIN, AND OPTICALLY IT CAN'T BE BEAT BY ANYTHING I CAN GET MY HANDS ON. THE PVS-14 FORMAT HOUSING DOES HOWEVER HAVE SOME FEATURES THAT COULD BE IMPROVED UPON SIGNIFICANTLY. THE INSIGHT TECHNOLOGIES M.U.M. HAS DONE THAT. YOU HAVEN'T EVEN ADDRESSED TUBE QUALITY IN YOUR 6015/M.U.M. COMPARISON. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THEM? A STRAIGHT COMMERCIAL/LE ITT 6015 IS ONLY GUARANTEED TO BE BASIC GEN III QUALITY, 45LP/MM OR GREATER. MOST I FEEL SURE THESE DAYS DO EXCEED THIS MINIMUM. HOWEVER, TO MOVE UP TO A COMMERCIAL ITT/NVEC/USNV PVS-14 WITH A NO-JOKE 64 LP/MM TUBE, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY AS MUCH AS YOU DO FOR AN INSIGHT TECHNOLOGIES M.U.M., ASSUMING YOU CAN EVEN FIND A PVS-14 THESE DAYS. ADDITIONALLY, WITH THE PVS-14, YOU WON'T GET THE M.U.M.'S WEAPON MOUNT, THE DUAL BATTERY TYPE CAPABILITY, THE IMPROVED BATTERY CAP, THE LIGHTER WEIGHT, THE IMPROVED ERGONOMICS, SUPERIOR WATER RESISTANCE, ETC. HEY, BUT WHAT DO I KNOW ... ? WES |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 4:38:47 AM EDT
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Wesly, I know it is hard for you not to be a AZZ 24/7, but give it a try for once in your life! My WHOLE FING point is that the average Joe that wants to shoot varmints at night OR protect their home will find that the 6015 will meet or exceed their needs. If I was going into combat, I would FOR SURE drop the extra cash on the better model. We are talking two different things here. Your talking about NV for guys going into harms way. I am talking about IDing a target in my home or shooting a coyote! C4 (edited to remove homosexual comment) |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:11:16 AM EDT
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HY/POC/RI/SY - FALSE CLAIM TO VIRTUE; PRETENSE.
AFTER YOU RAILED ON FOLKS FOR MAKING JUDGEMENTS ON LARUE THROW LEVER MOUNTS WHEN THEY'D NEVER USED THEM AD NAUSEUM FOR NINE PAGES, YOU NOW DO THE SAME THING, AN INTERESTING INSIGHT INTO YOUR MAKEUP. WES |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:37:33 AM EDT
[#26]
Two of my favorite people fighting
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:46:22 AM EDT
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That's a negative ghost rider! I NEVER said that the M.U.M. was a POS or anything like that. I just think that the 6015 will meet a lot of folks needs (mine included and most likely yours). I have NO DOUBT that the Insight product superior to the 6015, but most folks don't need the 66ft water proofing! On the LaRue Tactical Nine Page "NAUSEUM" as you stated, I was clearing up the lies and mis-information that people had about LaRue Tactical. What I find interesting is you said VERY little to defend LaRue Tactical (especially when it comes to ARMS). This is where you and I differ. You are only interested in the bottom line (profit) and would NEVER DARE to acknowledge the problems with ARMS throw levers for fear of pissing off Dick (and losing your ARMS account). I on the other hand will gladly talk about the positives and negatives of any company that I sell (as they ALL have them). This provides an interesting insight into YOUR makeup as well! C4 |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:47:36 AM EDT
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Were not fighting, we are DISCUSSING our difference of opinion in a aggressive manner!  C4 |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:50:58 AM EDT
[#29]
ARMS sucks.
Please carry on. 
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:52:48 AM EDT
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C4 |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 5:58:28 AM EDT
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"We're retreating?"
"No, we're attacking in another direction"
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:30:25 AM EDT
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GRANT,
CHECK OUT THE LARUE THREAD IN QUESTION. I MADE MY POSITIVE OPINION OF LARUE ABUNDANTLY CLEAR ON THE VERY FIRST PAGE. LARUE PRODUCTS DO NOT NEED "DEFENDING" AS YOU DO IT. THEY STAND ON THEIR OWN MERITS. IN MY OPINION, YOUR CONSTANT RANTING ON THE LARUE THROW LEVER ISSUE DOES LARUE A DISSERVICE. YOU ACT LIKE A SECOND 3RDTK. WITH RESPECT TO ARMS: I HAVE NO "ARMS ACCOUNT". I AM NOT NOR HAVE I EVER BEEN AN ARMS DISTRIBUTOR. I AM MERELY A DEALER, LIKE YOU. I HAVE HEARD IT SAID, HOWEVER, THAT ARMS NO LONGER WISHES TO DO BUSINESS WITH ME, SINCE I AM A LARUE AND TROY INDUSTRIES DEALER. IN SHORT, GRANT, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YET AGAIN. I WON'T DIGNIFY ANY OF YOUR FURTHER CHILDISH ANTICS WITH A RESPONSE. AND STOP TRASHING MY THREAD. WES "DON'T CALL ME GRANT" GRANT |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:37:55 AM EDT
[#33]
A bit off of the NV topic, but in regards to Insight Technologies:
Insight makes the H&K pistol weapon light, which gets rather rave reviews. I own one (marked Insight rather than H&K), and its a well made unit. Any idea/info on Insight giving Surefire a run for their money on the rifle/carbine weapon light? |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 6:59:52 AM EDT
[#34]
ONE CAN HOPE. THEIR EARLY EFFORT, INCLUDED IN SOPMOD I, LEFT MUCH TO BE DESIRED.
WES |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 7:05:16 AM EDT
[#35]
All the Insight stuff I have used has been top notch. (see possible disclaimer at bottom)
We have a few of the 9500's here and they are sweet ( a PEQ2 with vis laser in the place of the IR aimer). Did Insight make the white ligth off the original SOPMOD M4? - cause that one sucked... |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 7:10:20 AM EDT
[#36]
From what I have read, and seen, yes, insite did make the SOPMOD light. I have only ever seen one and yeah, it was pretty cheesey.
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Posted: 9/16/2004 7:22:21 AM EDT
[#37]
Funny something like this comes along and the be all end all in NVDs is now second rate.
I have started down the PVS 14 / 6015 path and will likely stay there for the simple reason that I have acquired an amount for spare parts for the things and I can repair them to a degree, up to and includes repair of cracked housings. Also The PRI M69 mount is in my opinion the best way to mount a NVD onto any weapon. The ability to adjust the height of the NVD on the rail (to clear BUIS) is now in my opinion mandatory. So unless this thing will work in the current method of mounting PVS 14s i.e. head, helmet, and M69 mount I would have to acquire all of those items as well which could tack on another $300.00 or more clams to the already step price tag. I just can't change horses in the middle of this stream for the simple reason of cost. The 14 is at the moment good enough for me and while admittedly it isn't the most rugged NVD going, however it is in WIDE use in the Middle East with good results. So that being said I wish I could spring for the MUM but it just ain’t in the cards anytime soon. IPSC_GUY |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 7:28:28 AM EDT
[#38]
I will agree that LT products will stand on their own merits. The problem is that we have so many single minded or company "reps" on this board making false claims against LT that SOMEONE has to reply to their remarks. I know that Mr. LaRue appreciates my help in this matter and does NOT view it as a "disservice" in any way. So seeing how you WRONG again with your disservice comment, I say that you are the one that has no idea what they are talking about. Also, this is not "YOUR" thread. This is a public internet forum and I will post and comment on ANY thread that I wish. If you go back and read some of the posts from other members, you will see that some of them felt that the Insight was a little on the pricey side (or more than they could afford). I was simply commenting that there are more affordable GEN III NV devices out there that will serve their purposes. No bashing ever occured until you decided to make rude comments about my knowledge of NV devices! C4 |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 7:46:50 AM EDT
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I find the extra cash a point of interest.
this is like compare LaRue FF rail to Oly FIRSH, or compare Aimpoint to OKO, or I can keep going. A peasant using the NVG for hunting or home protection will find both unit useful but nevertheless the Insight unit are better and people who can pay the difference will go for it just like people spending money for a LaRue rail or KAC rail instead of the FIRSH. in what world will a regualr person using it for home protection or nned to spend 300 dollars on a rail?? We do because we can and we like it. to say the NVG is not owrth it, it is a humble personal opinion. I used a demo Insight unit for an night of running around in the dark with osme very serious folks and they all think the Insight to be a useful and definite upgrade to they existing PVS14. light weight is the word. 300lbs of light weight gear is 300lbs you got to hump, even if you can drop 2oz, it will make a world of difference at night wearing the darn NVG on a sneak and peek run. as far as using the NVG for self defense, it is like shooting your home intruder with an geared up AR. those lawyers and prosticutor will have a field day with you.  Grant, you said a normal user will not need to spend the money for the more capable Insight unit then you are also saying a regular user will not need those LaRue rail you sell, those nice EOTech you carry or the bitchen LMT MRP. because everything out there have a cheaper alternative that will function just fine for home users. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 7:53:48 AM EDT
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OWNED Sorry could not resist. I think Chen hit the nail on the head - very few of us will be using our own kit to go in harms way. However the benifit of the capitalist system allows those of us who wish to purchase items that we dont NEED - but we WANT. Insight had the most kick ass Thermal Sight at ou Sniper Concentration last year (but 30K USD) - do I need it NO - do I want it --> Damn Right (unfortunately I am a poor underpayed gov't employee)  |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 8:00:35 AM EDT
[#41]
Very good comments and I agree with you. There are a TON of folks running in combat zones running 6015's. They do their job well and have so for awhile now. I am CERTAIN that the Insight is an improvement over the 6015 or PVS-14. Most of people that have asked me about getting NV always want the most bang for the buck. This is where I believe the 6015 comes into play. This is also where LT comes in. They are NOT the most expensive rail system out there (actually is the cheapest of the companies that make mil-spec rails). So by recommending a LT rail system I am giving them the most bang for their buck. Same goes with EOTech. The 511 EOTech will do everything the Aimpoint ML2 will and will do it for $100 dollars less (if you count the mount you need to properly co-witness the Aimpoint). Again most bang for your buck. I am the type of dealer that always recommends "most bang for the buck." C4 |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 8:05:25 AM EDT
[#42]
Kevin, read my comments back to SMGLee. You will see that there was never any "Owning" as you put it. I am right there with you about wanting the best (am a card carrying member of the Gucci club). I think where I differ from and others is that I always do dollar cost averaging. Where can I get the most product for the money. I do this in my personal life (drive a Lexus instead of a BMW as I feel that I get more for my money) and it carries over to my business. Of course this is just personal opinion and nothing more.....C4 |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 10:44:52 AM EDT
[#43]
way to go smglee
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Posted: 9/16/2004 11:16:56 AM EDT
[#44]
GRANT,
YOU HAVE DEMONSTRATED WHAT I WILL REFER TO AS A LOW SIGNAL-TO-NOISE RATIO ON YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE TOPIC OF NIGHT VISION. LOOK IT UP. I HOPE YOU ARE BETTER SCHOOLED IN THE OTHER THINGS YOU SELL. NOW, STOP TRASHING THE THREAD. WES "DON'T CALL ME GRANT" GRANT |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 11:31:36 AM EDT
[#45]
Wesly, I am sorry that I don't impress with you with my NV knowledge (wasn't my intent). My intent was to discuss whether or not the extra expense of the Insight over the 6015 was worth it to 90% of the people on this board. Once again this isn't your thread! Say it with me THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM.... C4 |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 12:24:00 PM EDT
[#46]
How much are MSTN selling those MUM for?
If it is aound $3.5 to $4K, I think it is still a good deal. A newest PVS-14D costs as much as $4.7 to 5K commercial price these days. |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 1:02:14 PM EDT
[#47]
LIST $3495.
NOT INCLUDING THE HARD CASE, HELMET, COLT F/A 10.5", ETC. YES, SOMONE WILL ASK! OUR PRICE IS $3150 PLUS $25 FEDEX SHIPPING AND INSURANCE. WES |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 1:20:19 PM EDT
[#48]
That's actually close enough in price to the 6015 to consider. I mean, if you're going to spend $2750 for a NOD, you might as well get a vastly superior one for $300 more. And yes, I'm saying this with a ton of hands on with the 6015 AND 14D. And then there's still the availability issue with the 6015... -Cap'n |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 1:55:26 PM EDT
[#49]
The 6015's go for around $2650 and Wesly is selling the Insight for $3150 which is a $500 price difference. I do agree with you that another $500 is no big deal if your willing to spend $2,500 (especially if the Inisght is that much better)..... C4 |
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Posted: 9/16/2004 2:01:23 PM EDT
[#50]
Sorry about the math, I just woke up. Still at $3150, it's a great deal.
And where are the 6015s available for right now at $2650? No one that I contacted (less than a month ago) had them in stock with no idea on arrival date. -Cap'n |
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