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Posted: 8/4/2003 7:36:03 PM EDT
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I generally bore sight the thing on a distant object (the neighbor down the street porch light) before putting the thing on paper.
I zero 2" (2.1" [rolleyes]) high at 100 yards for a zero at 200 yards (215 yards [rolleyes]) which is good enough for all the combat I'm likely to see. |
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Posted: 8/4/2003 7:37:35 PM EDT
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PS: as they can be mounted with either adjustmet turret facing upwards read the L-R facing one to read the movement direction.
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Posted: 8/4/2003 10:23:12 PM EDT
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Also using iron sights? Iron sights already zeroed? If so, adjust the red dot to sit on top of the front sight post, like a ball sitting on top of a fence post. That will get you pretty close, then you can tweak it at the live fire range.
Whether or not cowitnessing with iron sights, boresighting it like Paul suggested works. Just be careful where you point it so you don't scare your neighbors. [;)] |
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Posted: 8/5/2003 6:49:14 AM EDT
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Quoted: I generally bore sight the thing on a distant object (the neighbor down the street porch light) before putting the thing on paper. I zero 2" (2.1" [rolleyes]) high at 100 yards for a zero at 200 yards (215 yards [rolleyes]) which is good enough for all the combat I'm likely to see. And I always thought aimpoints were best at quick acquisition of targets at closer ranges. Don't most folks have it zeroed for 100- yards? |
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Posted: 8/5/2003 7:22:53 AM EDT
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Quoted: And I always thought aimpoints were best at quick acquisition of targets at closer ranges. Don't most folks have it zeroed for 100- yards? No most of us Zero it at 50 yards which produces a very nice 200M zero. Allows precision shots to 220M - and COM shots to over 300M with no holdover. |
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Posted: 8/5/2003 7:33:58 AM EDT
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first rotate your aimpoint so the adjustment turrets are at 45 deg angles to the target... [%|]
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Posted: 8/5/2003 7:54:51 AM EDT
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SMARTASS! ALready tried that & it doesn't work:)
You see, I thought the little AIMPOINT words on the flip up lense covers should be STRAIGHT & the lense covers should flip straight up. This canted the turrets. OK, It was LATE when I did that, but not that late! ANYWAY, I went home and straightened things out Sat. night and got a zero to my iron sight's point of aim. |
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Posted: 8/5/2003 8:29:55 AM EDT
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I went with a 50yd zero for both my aimpoint and my irons on my short AR.
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Posted: 8/5/2003 10:17:15 AM EDT
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hey SC.
have you removed that stupid triangular rubber piece yet? i pulled mine off after almost buggering the battery compartment threads. it's about 10 times easier to work with when you take it off. the caps have little mushroom heads and it looks kind of funny but who cares? |
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Posted: 8/5/2003 10:29:49 AM EDT
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Zero at 50 yards!
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Posted: 8/5/2003 12:11:29 PM EDT
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I zero at 50 yards as well.
First I zero in my ARMS #40 BUIS at 50, than comes the Aimpoint. Makes the process so much easier if you zero in your irons first, then make corrections on the Aimpoint following suit. And yes, the Red dot should sit right on top of your Front sight. |
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Posted: 8/5/2003 3:19:58 PM EDT
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Back to the co-witness for a minute. I have a bi-level scope mount attached to my carry handle. So all I have to do is mount my aimpoint on the lower level above the barrel and I can have a co-witness? Am I understanding this right?
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Posted: 8/5/2003 5:58:22 PM EDT
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Shoot me an email and I'll send you chart that shows the advantages of 50yd zero, courtesy of Pat Rogers of Gunsite/SWAT magazine fame.
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Posted: 8/5/2003 6:27:57 PM EDT
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[url]http://groups.msn.com/TheMarylandAR15ShootersSite/improvedbattlesightzero.msnw[/url]
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Posted: 8/5/2003 6:45:05 PM EDT
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Quoted: Back to the co-witness for a minute. I have a bi-level scope mount attached to my carry handle. So all I have to do is mount my aimpoint on the lower level above the barrel and I can have a co-witness? Am I understanding this right? Well, If your A2 apeture is zeroed in already, just adjust your Aimpoint to correct Zero using your irons(small apeture) as a guide(Red dot sits atop front site) and it will cowitness just fine. |
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Posted: 8/5/2003 7:46:23 PM EDT
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Went to the range. I still ain't happy w/ the zero. The 4 moa dot covers the center of the target at 100yds and the groups are HUGE. They seemd to be getting smaller, but this ain't a precision device.
Anyway, I'll fire a couple of hundred through it this weekend & see if I can get the groups smaller. |
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Posted: 8/5/2003 8:25:32 PM EDT
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[img]http://photos.ar15.com/WS_Content/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?sAccountUnq=24926&iGalleryUnq=258&iImageUnq=15721[/img]
Forgive my attempt at jpg'ing a word document |
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Posted: 8/5/2003 8:32:31 PM EDT
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Quoted: Went to the range. I still ain't happy w/ the zero. The 4 moa dot covers the center of the target at 100yds and the groups are HUGE. They seemd to be getting smaller, but this ain't a precision device. Anyway, I'll fire a couple of hundred through it this weekend & see if I can get the groups smaller. Well the Aimpoint Comp M2(military designation M68 CCO) is designed to be just that: A Close Combat Optic. It happens that it is effective out to 300 meters. Yes it is a 4MOA(M68 model) dot. it's Point of impact on man-sized targets is capable of under 4" from 100 to 300 meters. If you were expecting sub MOA shots you should have went with a power magnification scope, not saying that it is not possible with the Aimpoint - shooter error. IB. |
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Posted: 8/6/2003 3:53:01 AM EDT
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Quoted: Went to the range. I still ain't happy w/ the zero. The 4 moa dot covers the center of the target at 100yds and the groups are HUGE. They seemd to be getting smaller, but this ain't a precision device. Anyway, I'll fire a couple of hundred through it this weekend & see if I can get the groups smaller. Ahhh, if you'd only gone with an EoTech. Your dot would only be 1 moa. [ROFL2] |
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Posted: 8/6/2003 4:08:40 AM EDT
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Like I said, its practice that will bring the groups in tighter. That and learning how to develop a repeatable sightpicture w/ the 4 MOA dot.
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Posted: 8/6/2003 11:10:36 AM EDT
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Quoted: Went to the range. I still ain't happy w/ the zero. The 4 moa dot covers the center of the target at 100yds and the groups are HUGE. One has little to do with the other. As long as you center the dot in the target, and you're not canting the rifle, you can score nice, tight groups, regardless of dot size. I have no trouble maintaining 2" groups at 100 yards with an AimPoint from a bench. That's plenty of accuracy, especially when you consider that you'll (presumably) be using this optic off-hand in the field, usually at much closer distances. I have a Marlin Camp 45 with a 10 MOA Tasco ProPoint that I can keep within 1.5" at 50 yards, even though the dot covers 5" of the target. It's all about holding the rifle consistantly. This isn't a bench-rest target setup, and such a setup would be a crappy CQB rifle. -Troy |
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Posted: 8/7/2003 7:19:27 AM EDT
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Print some 4" circles on plain white paper. A heavy black ring with white center. Use these for accuracy checks at 100 yards with your 4moa dot. You will be amazed at how well they group, given good quality ammo. They will be about as good as the gun is capable of. You will quickly see that the holes are all in the center of the red dot, not in a "pattern".
Slewing the dot to iron sights is a good start, as previously mentions. Just be sure, once you have the dot zeroed, that you recheck your irons sighting through the Aimpoint. You may find a POI shift with the irons. Paul MSTN |
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Posted: 8/7/2003 3:32:05 PM EDT
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Like I said, its replicating the same sight picture which is one of the keys to good groups.
If I could put the recticle in the SAME place each and every time I could see how small a group the gun/sight combo would shoot. PRACTICE PRACTICE, you know the rest. |
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Posted: 8/7/2003 4:02:14 PM EDT
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what are you saying SC?
do you want custom targets? |
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Posted: 8/10/2003 7:37:26 PM EDT
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Well 308Wood, custom targets would be nice:)
I shot the 100yd line today and put 30 rounds in a 5MOA bullseye. Not perfect, but MUCH better than I thought possible last week. I turned the dot's brightness WAY down and worked on maintaining the SAME sight picture. Will keep working on it next week. |
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Posted: 8/21/2003 5:27:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: You see, I thought the little AIMPOINT words on the flip up lense covers should be STRAIGHT & the lense covers should flip straight up. This canted the turrets. Ok...I have a question regarding this part of the post, sorry to regress, but just got my aimpoint on my new M4 last night![:D] Is it possible to move those flip up covers? Mine flip out at a 45 degree angle or so and I would like to have them flip straight up. Tried to move them but they didn't want to budge and I didn't want to force it. Pretty sure I've seen this answer somewhere before but can't find it. Thanks! |
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Posted: 8/21/2003 6:08:07 PM EDT
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Yes, they'll move. Gently but firmly pull them off and stick them back on the way you want them. You really want them to flip DOWN, so they're out of your field of view and not likely to get caught on anything.
[img]webpages.charter.net/lousar/pictures/DSC00006.jpg[/img] -Troy |
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Posted: 8/25/2003 11:44:09 AM EDT
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Quoted: Yes, they'll move. Gently but firmly pull them off and stick them back on the way you want them. You really want them to flip DOWN, so they're out of your field of view and not likely to get caught on anything. [url]webpages.charter.net/lousar/pictures/DSC00006.jpg[/url] Troy, which mount is that? -Troy |
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