Interesting... I make a comment on the quality of the packaging and I am ridiculed. No, I was not planning on entering them into anything. I also was not going to take them out to my driveway and throw them on the pavement. A large part of the value of the mag is based on the finish. I look on the EE and see mags described NIW, 90% finish, etc. Obviously, the ones in better condition demand a higher price. Look anywhere on the board regarding magazines, and you will see members discussing finish, insertion marks, etc. Some members were having a fit when there "new" mags came with insertion marks. Some members are trying feverishly to remove the brasskiss from their AR's. Heck, one guy is actually considering repainting his Orlites! I make a comment about the shipping job I got, and I am treated like a joke.