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Posted: 10/18/2017 8:18:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: chopinbloc]
So site staff tacked this thread because I'd like to use it as a quick reference for tests already performed as well as a place to discuss results and suggest future tests.
What load would you like to see tested in gel for the Arfcom Youtube channel next time? Best choices:  Top 5 Home Defense .223/5.56mm Loads Here are all the gel tests so far:  Gimmick Or Good To Go? .223 Rem Gorilla 62gr Controlled Chaos Gel Test  A Silver Surprise: .308 Win TulAmmo 165gr Soft Point Gel Test  The Marine Corps' New Hotness: Mk318 Mod1  Home Defense .223 On A Budget? Hornady Frontier 62gr BTHP Gel Test  HD Carbine Gel Test: .223 Rem Hornady 73gr ELD  Multi Purpose Rifle: CORBON's 77gr MPR (TMK) .223 Gel Test  MK319 Reduced Velocity Gel Test - How does it compare to the Army's M80A1?  Testing The Army's 7.62mm Wonder Bullet: M80A1 reduced velocity gel test  Varmint Bullets For Defense? .300AAC 110gr V-Max gel test  Can The Marines' Wonder Bullet Keep Up With The Army's? Mk318 reduced velocity gel test  The Army's New Ammo Is a Long Distance Devastator - M855A1 Gel Test  Does a longer barrel improve performance? 9mm carbine 124gr Federal HST gel test  Lighter match bullets as good as heavy OTM? Sierra 69gr HPBT gel test  Best .223 Defense Ammo Ever? Federal 5.56mm 62gr FBIT3 Gel Test  Are Match Bullets Suitable for Defense? Hornady 75gr BTHP Gel Test  Designer Bullet Gel Test: .223 40gr Monolithic HV GSC  How Good Can a Plain 55gr FMJ Bullet Be?  Lehigh Defense .223 Controlled Chaos | Gel Test  Barnes Precision 556 69 GR OTM | Gel Test  PPU 223 55gr SP Review  MK318 SOST | Ballistic Gel Test  Lake City M855 SBR Ballistic Gel Test  M855A1 Reduced Velocity | Ballistic Gel Test  Wolf Gold .223 55gr Full Metal Jacket | Gel Test  Brown Bear 223 Rem 55 gr Soft Point | Gel Test  Hornady 223 Remington 55gr GMX | Ballistic Gel Test  Hornady 123gr SST 6.5 Grendel Gel Test  Prvi Partizan .223 75 gr BTHP Gel Test  How To Interpret Gel Tests  Speer 75gr Gold Dot Ammunition  Real Ballistic Gelatin vs Clear Ballistics Gelatin  PolyFrang .223/5.56mm Frangible Ammunition - Gel Test  HPR 150 Grain - 300BLK Gel Test |
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Posted: 10/31/2017 11:27:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SanchoPanza:
Watched the latest M855A1 video. Sure would've like to have seen the plates/results.  |
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Posted: 10/31/2017 11:28:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ohio:
Send me an address and I'll send you some of the 62 grain OTMs to test. How many do you need to load and test? |
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Posted: 10/31/2017 5:18:47 PM EDT
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It's OK, nice description.
Steel on Target!!!
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Posted: 11/2/2017 10:35:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Click2Boom]
[#4]
I think wolf steel 6.5grendel would have the most benefit of any load at this point. We know there are 223 loads the mess things up. How about the 23cpr 6.5 grendel that so many of us are tempted to get a grendel bbl due to?
I mean, no brainer imo. The 193, wolf gold, etc tests are more interesting to me than the fancy 75gr etc bonded stuff, because we basically know that it will kick butt already. Another good one would be good old fgmm or other 69 SMK like ADI... loads we can get/make for 50 or 60 cpr, that are multipurpose. 69 because it's '"fallen from favor" for 77gr... but how much worse terminally is it? I still like the 69gr pills that move a lil quicker. But I'm virtually sure they would do fine. 100gr wolf grendel is the big one. |
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Posted: 11/6/2017 7:41:05 PM EDT
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"Terminal ballistic testing of the 69 grain MatchKing loaded in the form of Federal’s 223M ammunition has been conducted by Dr. G.K. Roberts with the results of that testing published in Wound Ballistics Review, Volume 3, Number 4. Fired from a Colt AR-15A2 carbine with a 16” barrel, the average penetration of the 69 grain MatchKing in 10% bare ordnance gelatin was 14.7”. The average recovered diameter was 0.40” and the average percentage of fragmentation was 60.2%." - Molon |
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Posted: 11/7/2017 2:34:23 PM EDT
[#6]
Excellent. Thank you.
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Posted: 11/9/2017 10:25:15 AM EDT
[#7]
XM556SBCT3 (XM556FBIT3) from a 10.5" barrel including barrier tests.
Appreciate your testing. |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 6:27:11 PM EDT
[#8]
do you have a a list of all the data so it could be "read" vs watched.
I know you post it in the videos but could you just have a thread with the type, mv, gel measuerments, and notesas to what you think about it. Like Mk318 velocity xxx pen 23" weight 32.5 gr max expan .251" length core .399 temp wound cavity .5" x 3" notes: good frag with deep pentration, etc |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 11:31:57 AM EDT
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No one is stopping you from gleaning that info and putting it in a post, but that sounds like it would mean fewer people actually watching the videos.
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Posted: 12/5/2017 6:50:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AR45fan]
[#10]
Curious how effective my bullseye target load would be as a carry load; Nosler Custom Competition 185gn and 4.6gn of Bullseye. Would love to see a gel test. I'd send you some of mine.
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Posted: 12/5/2017 7:17:49 PM EDT
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I purchase quite a bit of ammunition from Defender ammunition since they are a NC business and have great friendly staff.
I’m curious to see if their 9mm 147gr HP’s expand as well as they say they do. Should I send you some? I’m hopin this can be my new carry ammo from the looks of it. https://www.defenderammunition.com/collections/pistol-calibers/products/9mm-hollow-point?variant=21822708487  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 12/6/2017 10:22:19 AM EDT
[#12]
Looks like the wound Channel already covered it.
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Posted: 12/8/2017 2:35:33 PM EDT
[#13]
How about a 77g Sierra BTHP load out of a 10.5" or 11.5" barrel? Been thinking about building an AR pistol around that configuration.
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Posted: 12/8/2017 11:19:56 PM EDT
[#14]
I might be able to make that happen.
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Posted: 12/8/2017 11:55:11 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluefalcon:
Looks like the wound Channel already covered it. |
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Posted: 12/9/2017 1:03:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampvol: Would have been nice if he shot it through some denim too. |
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Posted: 12/9/2017 10:01:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: swampvol]
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluefalcon: Denim is for pistol ammunition. |
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Posted: 12/9/2017 11:11:47 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampvol:
Right. I was referring to the defender 9mm jhp test that Wound Channel did. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampvol:
Originally Posted By bluefalcon: Denim is for pistol ammunition. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 12/14/2017 12:31:46 AM EDT
[#19]
Any luck with the reduced velocity M855A1 gel test?
Recent claims by the Marine's say it's a 600m round: “The M855A1 provides improved performance over the current M855, 5.56mm round in a lead-free form factor, and provides improved steel penetration, hard- and soft-target terminal effects, with more consistent terminal effects than the M855 at ranges out to 600 meters,” Woodburn told Marine Corps Times." http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/12/13/m855a1-epr-officially-adopted-us-marine-corps/ I'd be very happy if it fragmented at 1700fps, but 600m would be crazy - that's around 1250-1300fps. |
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Posted: 12/14/2017 1:36:35 PM EDT
[#20]
I have a 10.5" upper and I plan to do another reduced velocity test soon. I doubt that it can fragment at 1,200 fps because Buffman tested it in 5.7x28mm at about that speed and it did not fragment.
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Posted: 12/14/2017 3:13:13 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Linc5870:
XM556SBCT3 (XM556FBIT3) from a 10.5" barrel including barrier tests. Appreciate your testing. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 12/14/2017 7:35:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluefalcon:
I have a 10.5" upper and I plan to do another reduced velocity test soon. I doubt that it can fragment at 1,200 fps because Buffman tested it in 5.7x28mm at about that speed and it did not fragment. If you can only test one velocity, I'd really like to see how it does at 1700fps, which would correspond to about 450 yards with the M4. |
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Posted: 12/14/2017 8:30:57 PM EDT
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The article is talking about M855A1 from an M27, which has a 16.5" barrel. How fast is M855A1 at 600m from a 16.5" barrel?
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Posted: 12/14/2017 8:36:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluefalcon:
Looks like the wound Channel already covered it. 
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NV, USA
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Posted: 12/15/2017 12:11:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcantu:
The article is talking about M855A1 from an M27, which has a 16.5" barrel. How fast is M855A1 at 600m from a 16.5" barrel? With a 0.152 G7 BC at 3100fps, it would be getting 1350fps. |
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Posted: 12/17/2017 11:45:25 PM EDT
[#26]
I would love to see some gel testing of the Fusion 150 grn .308 MSR with 16 inch barrel
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Posted: 12/18/2017 1:22:40 AM EDT
[#27]
If you're willing to send me a box, I can do it with a CETME. I think it's 17.7". Email me at [email protected], if want to.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 8:00:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bfoosh06]
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluefalcon:
What did you have in mind? I would like to see GECO 55gr FMJ tested. Barnes 85gr OTM 5.56 Some of the Berger FGMM... .308, 6.5 Creedmoor, or even the .223 73gr Maybe the 69gr TMK at 5.56 velocity..... Remember to include the Fruit Cocktail... Or ... .. some of that 90gr SMK , 100gr Fusion .224 Valkyrie !! Honestly I have a decent variety of .223 , 5.56 .308 , 7.62x51 and 6.5 Creedmoor |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 8:51:56 PM EDT
[#29]
I have a box of that Barnes 85gr that I plan to test. I don't have a 6.5 Creedmoor. The rest I can probably do, but I can't say how long it might take.
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Posted: 12/24/2017 1:25:48 PM EDT
[#30]
I'd be open to sending you some Fiocchi 40 grain ballistic tipped to test from your SBR set into gel. I've chrono'd it at 3500-3800 from 18" & 20" (hot 80's to cold 15 led to spread). Please LMK if you're able to do it and how many rounds you'd need.
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NV, USA
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Posted: 12/25/2017 9:15:55 AM EDT
[#31]
I would like to see a test of 458 socom ammo, 300 gr hp and 405 gr sp. Testing against soft body armor would be great too.
Thanks |
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Posted: 12/25/2017 11:24:06 AM EDT
[#32]
The 40gr is going to penetrate very shallowly. Let's see if there is any interest from other members on that one.
I don't own a .458 upper. |
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Posted: 12/25/2017 12:08:50 PM EDT
[#33]
Nosler 110g Varmageddon from your 8" 300.
I know you tested the anemic (1500fps) Freedom Munitions version that was too slow to expand, but I'm getting 1950fps from my 8" and Nosler told me that it expands down to 1600. I've seen it tested in gel with a 10.5", but would like to see if it will net a little more penetration with the slower 8". |
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Posted: 12/25/2017 2:47:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampvol:
Nosler 110g Varmageddon from your 8" 300. I know you tested the anemic (1500fps) Freedom Munitions version that was too slow to expand, but I'm getting 1950fps from my 8" and Nosler told me that it expands down to 1600. I've seen it tested in gel with a 10.5", but would like to see if it will net a little more penetration with the slower 8". Please? |
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Posted: 12/25/2017 3:19:08 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampvol:
Nosler 110g Varmageddon from your 8" 300. I know you tested the anemic (1500fps) Freedom Munitions version that was too slow to expand, but I'm getting 1950fps from my 8" and Nosler told me that it expands down to 1600. I've seen it tested in gel with a 10.5", but would like to see if it will net a little more penetration with the slower 8". |
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Posted: 12/25/2017 4:20:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: swampvol]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluefalcon: That was Hornady SST, but yeah, I can probably test some Varmageddon. Do you have some bullets? I could make a reduced velocity load to compare. No promises on how long it might be. PM the info, and I'll send out a box. Reduced velocity would be nice, but I'd really like to see what these factory Nosler's do in gel out of your 8" as well. Edit: This was the test I was thinking of.  Freedom Fart: .300 AAC Freedom Munitions 110gr VMAX Gel Test |
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Posted: 12/25/2017 4:40:48 PM EDT
[#37]
That's the one. You're right. Email me at [email protected]
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Posted: 1/8/2018 3:12:15 PM EDT
[#38]
Not sure how you could make this happen, but I'd gladly contribute financially.
Ever since I saw the first 50gr 2000FPS 9mm load, I've been thinking. Most of those loads don't penetrate much because they're designed to expand. What if someone made essentially a 50gr solid copper 9mm bullet and loaded it to 2000 FPS? It would basically be a 9mm 50gr wadcutter with a plastic front to aid feeding. Or maybe just a really short FMJ and it'd eventually yaw 180° in flesh. We should get "rifle-like" damage. Now, granted. 50g @2000 is pretty weaksauce for a rifle. And the wound profile would be a cone leading to a simple .38 special wadcutter-like wound near the end. But, heck, M193 ends up acting like a .22 after 8-9 inches. I don't know if it would be super terminally effective, but I think it's an interesting concept. Would it create an overall larger wound than an HST? Are there practical applications? |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 3:19:04 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bfoosh06:
I would like to see GECO 55gr FMJ tested. 
I would love to see the GECO 5.56mm ammo being tested, as well as their GECO 223 version. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 4:16:55 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlatDarkEarf:
Not sure how you could make this happen, but I'd gladly contribute financially. Ever since I saw the first 50gr 2000FPS 9mm load, I've been thinking. Most of those loads don't penetrate much because they're designed to expand. What if someone made essentially a 50gr solid copper 9mm bullet and loaded it to 2000 FPS? It would basically be a 9mm 50gr wadcutter with a plastic front to aid feeding. Or maybe just a really short FMJ and it'd eventually yaw 180° in flesh. We should get "rifle-like" damage. Now, granted. 50g @2000 is pretty weaksauce for a rifle. And the wound profile would be a cone leading to a simple .38 special wadcutter-like wound near the end. But, heck, M193 ends up acting like a .22 after 8-9 inches. I don't know if it would be super terminally effective, but I think it's an interesting concept. Would it create an overall larger wound than an HST? Are there practical applications? |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 6:32:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlatDarkEarf:
Not sure how you could make this happen, but I'd gladly contribute financially. Ever since I saw the first 50gr 2000FPS 9mm load, I've been thinking. Most of those loads don't penetrate much because they're designed to expand. What if someone made essentially a 50gr solid copper 9mm bullet and loaded it to 2000 FPS? It would basically be a 9mm 50gr wadcutter with a plastic front to aid feeding. Or maybe just a really short FMJ and it'd eventually yaw 180° in flesh. We should get "rifle-like" damage. Now, granted. 50g @2000 is pretty weaksauce for a rifle. And the wound profile would be a cone leading to a simple .38 special wadcutter-like wound near the end. But, heck, M193 ends up acting like a .22 after 8-9 inches. I don't know if it would be super terminally effective, but I think it's an interesting concept. Would it create an overall larger wound than an HST? Are there practical applications? |
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Posted: 1/9/2018 6:35:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FlatDarkEarf:
Not sure how you could make this happen, but I'd gladly contribute financially. Ever since I saw the first 50gr 2000FPS 9mm load, I've been thinking. Most of those loads don't penetrate much because they're designed to expand. What if someone made essentially a 50gr solid copper 9mm bullet and loaded it to 2000 FPS? It would basically be a 9mm 50gr wadcutter with a plastic front to aid feeding. Or maybe just a really short FMJ and it'd eventually yaw 180° in flesh. We should get "rifle-like" damage. Now, granted. 50g @2000 is pretty weaksauce for a rifle. And the wound profile would be a cone leading to a simple .38 special wadcutter-like wound near the end. But, heck, M193 ends up acting like a .22 after 8-9 inches. I don't know if it would be super terminally effective, but I think it's an interesting concept. Would it create an overall larger wound than an HST? Are there practical applications? https://underwoodammo.com/product/handgun-ammo/357-sig-65-grain-xtreme-defender/ That should provide an interesting data point that could foreshadow what is possible with a 50gr 2000fps copper solid. Dare I suggest a Gel Test? |
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Posted: 1/13/2018 9:59:41 PM EDT
[#43]
Here's a hint at what I'm working on.
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Posted: 1/13/2018 10:43:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pavlovwolf]
[#44]
So, 10mm, .300BLK, 5.56,5.56
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Posted: 1/13/2018 11:17:36 PM EDT
[#45]
First one is also .300 AAC. Cast lead that I'm hoping is subsonic from 8" bbl.
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Posted: 1/23/2018 3:07:31 AM EDT
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Looking forward to that Barnes 85gr. I hope it isnt moving too slow to have good terminal performance. Is the ammo you have 5.56 or .223 pressure?
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Posted: 1/28/2018 6:59:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bfoosh06]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bluefalcon:
Here's a hint at what I'm working on. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/89956/IMG_20180113_180829044-419558.jpg |
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Posted: 2/2/2018 6:44:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: vicious_cb]
[#48]
As always, excellent video on the oldie but still a goodie the Hornady 75gr BTHP. However, in the beginning, the question was posed of whether or not the reloading component matched the terminal ballistics of the 75gr TAP bullet with the fatter ogive. I would have assumed you were going to test the 75gr TAP bullet side by side with the T1C bullet. It would have been interesting to see the 2 bullets tested side by side, both over 24.0grs of TAC, out of the same barrel and under the same conditions to see if there was a difference.
As always there is some voodoo to gel testing and all we have to go on is DocGKRs word that Hornady 75gr TAP and 75gr Match pretty much the same but it would have been nice to see it illustrated. |
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Posted: 2/5/2018 5:29:29 PM EDT
[#49]
75gr TAP is pretty well documented.
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Posted: 2/17/2018 2:25:27 PM EDT
[#50]
Armscor has a bonded 62 grain SP that sells for under $8 a box. Could be the budget load we have been looking for.
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