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Posted: 11/14/2007 3:53:42 PM EDT
THE ORIGINAL THREAD HAS BEEN ARCHIVED. If you voted in that thread, please do NOT vote again.
Results from previous thread: 1118 votes 1055 did not have any problems 46 had minor issues 17 had major issues This thread is ONLY about the XM193 variant, which is sold in brown or white carboard boxes, If your review is about LOOSE XM193PD, please add your review to that thread instead. Please add your personal experience with Lake City M193 (currently sold by Federal as XM193) ammunition to this thread. When you do, please give information about: 1) Firearm used in 2) Approximate number of rounds fired. For more information about this ammunition, check out the Federal website. From RussB's post out of a 16" barrel: Velocity: 3094fps, StdDev=39fps I am trying to solicit only information about your PERSONAL experience with this ammunition. If you haven't used it, then please don't clutter up the thread. Information about proper functioning (or lack thereof) is obviously the most important, but factors such as the accuracy or other peculiarities you've noticed are informative also. If you have had problems with this ammo which were severe enough to cause you to stop using this ammo, then please describe them. And one more minor request: keep your reviews objective. |
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Posted: 11/14/2007 4:02:34 PM EDT
[#1]
Collected responses from the archived threads:
LINK TO THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE ON THE ARCHIVE SERVER Civil 100 rounds w/o problem in a 16"colt HBAR RungSat65 I have shot 500+ rounds thru 20" colt and 16" S&W with no problems. Will definately buy more Atreides82 Have Shot 1000 rounds, out of that I had one jam upon ejection. Manually cleared the shell and shot the rest with no problems. This was out of a 16" DPMS Carbine. Great stuff, I wish it was more available. HighStrung1 I love this stuff. I wish I had much more than the 1K I have stashed. 3K through my M4gery without a single problem. LordShogun a couple thousand rounds through my Bushy 16" chrome lined HBAR. This is the ammo which I compare all others too! blueinterceptor 8000 rounds colt 6920's 6721 mcornell I picked up 4800 rounds for about $500.00 at a firearms auction right after I got my Bushmaster. I didn't realize what a great deal that was and sold 1,600 rounds to a buddy for my cost. I love the stuff. Stosh333 1500 rounds through an H&K 93. No issues. mimikamimi I love XM193. I have only 2000 stashed. No problems thru my Colt 14.5 HB. CK Great stuff - My go to ammo when not loading my own. Colt_SBR My ammo stash consists of Federal as XM193, Q3131 and Q3131A. I've shot them in my 11.5", 15" and 16", Colts, Bushmaster and RRA carbines without any problems. thirsty My younger brother and I bought 140 rounds of LC XM193 to shoot. It was definately XM193, not PD, but the dealer had it packaged in a bandolier. We split it evenly between his 16" Stag Arms lower/M&A Parts upper AR-15 with a 16" 1:9 twist barrel and my FN FS2000 with a 17.5" 1:7 twist barrel. All the ammo functioned flawlessly in both rifles, wasn't especially dirty and was accurate. gordo23 180 rounds shot today (lot #124) Shot from a DPMS 16" carbine close to 40 ftf no idea what the issue is....this is the only ammo I have had problems with. n8pgp 500 rds of lot 106 500 rds of lot 112 500 rds of lot 113 all thru my bushy 14.5 in m4- my favorite "bulk" ammo TxRabbitBane LC XM193 lot 121 (05 headstamp) I just bought 500 rounds of this stuff and it looks like crap. For new rounds the brass looks like it's been reloaded after sitting loose in the back of a truck for a year or so. Out of the one box I opened, 5 or 6 rounds have fairly large dents, almost all of the cases show significant tarnish, and 1 case looks like it's about to split at the shoulder. I thought the PD was the bad stuff, but this is almost unshootable, unless I just got the bad box out of the case (which at this point I doubt). AgHistGrad02 I have fired about 320 rounds of Lot 124 through my RRA Entry Tactical 16" with no problems whatsoever. Good stuff, and I hope to buy more to stock it, as soon as I can find some at a decent price!! none of my ammo looked really polished, but so far, all of it has gone bang, and I only have about 6 loaded mags left of the original 500. I expect it all to go down range just fine. roland2681 250 rounds xm193 lot-76, 250 rounds xm193 lot-093 in a colt 16 in. no problems m4s4ever About 2K rounds with no issues other than one dented case. I chunked it and had fun with the rest. 1-Colt 6920 2-Bushmaster 16"s 1-Bushy/Stag combo Hemi-Cuda Just received a few cases of this stuff. Lot 140-144 I am not going to post nor vote on whether it works or not yet, because I haven't tried it but this is just my preliminary post before my final. One thing I just noticed as I was loading a magazine, is that 10/20 rounds in each box have minor dents in them which aren't bad enough for me not to load them. I'm sure they won't cause any problems but I will say that I have FAR less dents in my loose packed Lake City M855 than I do with the boxed XM193. I don't think it will cause any problems, final vote will come most likely tomorrow/after-tomorrow. macro XM193 is about as good as it gets among the available 5.56 ammo that I have seen. Equally comparable to Q3131A for accuracy, and I have never had a round malfunction. Good ammo, hands down. fsk1290 Shot 100 rounds thru my RRA stainless steel R4 barrel with match grade trigger. This is the ammo that everyone should shoot. It's great stuff. glockman19 Very good ammo. I will continue to buy it. I have 1940 rounds left and will shoot it sparingly until supplies become more available. wvar15 I've have shot over 1000 rounds of xm193 through my RRA Entry Tactical with no problems so far. I will continue to buy this when I can find it at a good price. 1911_Mitch ~350 founds fired, functioned perfectly: authoritative boom, positive ejection, and makes a hole downrange XM193 lot 127 '05 headstamp Functioned 100%, no gun or ammo failures 2" groups at 100yds from prone 4" groups at 100yds from kneeling LMT MRP CQB 16" w/EOTech553+Aimpoint3x 3gunpinoy the Xm193 are great practice ammo and if you need accurate shots, i.e. moa at 100, they will do the job. i just noticed that it runs a bit dirty, and my barrel needs more frequent cleaning, as compared to AE 55GrBTHP. IMHO, the AE55Gr has more accuracy in it as comapred to the XM. noticeable but not much at a 100. the difference amplifies at 200 or more. yes, the XM is loaded to hotter specs ( I can feel it on my shoulder), but not that much., tested on the following gear 17" Lilja, 1-8 twist 18" Kreiger, 1-7.7 |
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Posted: 1/10/2008 2:16:33 PM EDT
[#2]
Bump to prevent archiving.
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Posted: 4/1/2008 10:50:09 AM EDT
[#3]
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Posted: 4/1/2008 11:36:15 AM EDT
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A couple (literally two) of misfeeds in a freshly cleaned rifle. But other than that, no issues to speak of. Good ammo.
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USA
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Posted: 4/1/2008 5:06:17 PM EDT
[#5]
What is the accuracy of this ammo through a 20" 1/8 twist?
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USA
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Posted: 4/1/2008 6:52:25 PM EDT
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2,000+ rounds flawlessly through --
20" A4 franken-build S&W M&P15 Olympic CAR97M4 Olympic PCR16, 16" SUM |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 9/1/2008 7:52:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bad_company5150]
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unsure if the right thread but the ammunition was the black boxed american eagle xm193
had my first blown primer ever, it blew it under the trigger somehow and caused major malfunction. my first and last 400 rounds or so through 16" carbine upper 1/7 twist i typically buy it when nothing else brass cased is cheaper for plinking. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2008 8:58:43 AM EDT
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I've experienced several instances of blown primers with an 07 batch of XM193A, these failures occurred in a carbine that has successfully run many types of 5.56 pressure ammo in the past with no ill effects, including earlier lots of XM193, only to have popped primers with this XM193A at a rate of about 6/1000. The gun cycled fine, but was unable to go fully into battery due to the primer prohibiting BCG closure. In some cases, the BCG was far enough forward that the hammer was able to drop. Other primer failures may have occurred and gone unnoticed if the primer did not bind BCG movement. At .006% that's too high for me, considering I bought this ammo for serious use.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2008 10:33:16 PM EDT
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Fired atleast 400rnds out of a 16"M&P15 cant remmber a problem with it. The end of the case around the primer seems to get cut by the extractor on ejectior. (no torn or broken cases) . I dont reload so i dont know if this would affect its reload ability. This is my favorite ammo that ive shot out of this gun so far.
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Posted: 9/3/2008 12:21:09 AM EDT
[#10]
same experience here with XM193C blown primers .i have about 500rds left wont be buying anymore |
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MS, USA
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Posted: 9/8/2008 8:51:56 AM EDT
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Have fired 220 rounds (out of 500 rnd order) XM193C thru 1/9 16" DPMS and Magpul Pmags. No malfunctions or failures with typical combat accuracy at 50-300 yds. Will buy again.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2008 11:41:40 PM EDT
[#12]
Good stuff
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Posted: 10/15/2008 8:02:07 PM EDT
[#13]
good ammo. a pretty hot load. I have fired over 5,000 rounds of it through 3 A2 colts and 3 6920s. no problems at all. accuracy past 300 will hit a man but no good past about 450 yds
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USA
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Posted: 11/4/2008 11:07:20 PM EDT
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500 rounds through a full auto Colt. Not a single problem, except that it doesn't last long enough.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2009 3:52:02 AM EDT
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Fired xm193 from Bushmaster A2-type w/ 16 inch barrel. Fired about 200 rounds with no problems.
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Posted: 1/15/2009 6:32:21 PM EDT
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i just got 1000 rounds for it, ill tell you how it shoots un my 14.5" bushmaster when i shoot it
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/15/2009 10:57:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: HK1286]
[#17]
Shot 100 rounds of it on Saturday out of my RRA M4gery. No problems at all. Great ammo and very clean. Will buy more when I can find it.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2009 1:13:01 AM EDT
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shot 130 rounds hot load but no issues!
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2009 6:09:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mourneblade]
[#19]
Shot 200 rounds with one FTF. Required the motar technique to unjam. The first malfunction in around 1400 rounds through my CD-M4LE. I voted this a minor problem, but it wouldn't stop me from using this ammo.
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Posted: 4/14/2009 10:54:06 AM EDT
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~140 rds fired yesterday.
Ammo: American Eagle Tactical XM193C. Purchased in brown 400rd. Federal box. Opened to reveal two black 200rd American Eagle Tactical boxes. Inside each of these black boxes were two 100rd white boxes stamped with lot #s and American Eagle Tactical/Federal XM193. Headstamp reads LC 08 (no NATO headstamp). Annealing mark clearly visible. Primer pockets were crimped, albeit lightly. Black tar sealant visible on some case necks. Did not any notice primer sealant. Rifle/s: 1) MSAR STG 556. Generation III with 20" barrel. 2) RRA factory rifle with 20" barrel. Out of 140 rds we experienced 4 hard primers that required a second primer strike (all rounds fired on second attempt). Of those 4 rounds, one failed to chamber causing the brass to bend slightly at the case shoulder...this round was tossed as unsafe. Accuracy was fair. I won't be shooting it for score at a Hipower match, but it was good enough for plinking. Ammunition wasn't particularly dirty. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2009 2:06:22 AM EDT
[#21]
I have had problems with primers popping out of Federal XM193 ammo. We are thinking this is a overpressure issue. The gas tube and all areas where gas applies is clean and not fouled. The gun is a 11 inch barrel with full auto option (a1 lower). The buffer is a carbine weight buffer. I am currently ordering a heavier buffer. I am not sure if the barrel is chambered in 5.56 or .223. I have learned that this could matter.
Any suggestions. Joshua Indiana |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2009 2:26:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: northern]
[#22]
Do not fire any more right and post some pic's of the cases that we may that a look.
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Posted: 5/2/2009 9:39:05 AM EDT
[#23]
Originally Posted By j3price:
I have had problems with primers popping out of Federal XM193 ammo. We are thinking this is a overpressure issue. The gas tube and all areas where gas applies is clean and not fouled. The gun is a 11 inch barrel with full auto option (a1 lower). The buffer is a carbine weight buffer. I am currently ordering a heavier buffer. I am not sure if the barrel is chambered in 5.56 or .223. I have learned that this could matter. Any suggestions. Joshua Indiana My honest suggestion is that you first ensure your barrel is chambered in 5.56. I'd eliminate that variable first as it can result in some overpressure signs. |
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Posted: 6/12/2009 1:22:39 PM EDT
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I was breaking in a new gun today. A bushmaster Predator with 20 inch 1/8 twist barrel...non chrome lined chambered in 5.56. This is the first time I've shot it since I bought it 2 months ago. I was pumping different rounds through it and cleaning the barrel/chamber after about every 20 rounds.
I shot a box of Federal American Eagle Black Box XM193C. Lot # V 49 W575, I've had this ammo since late last year. I seem to remember reading of some issues with the black box stuff and I believe that specific lot # vs the white or brown box. I had shot a few boxes of this ammo when I first received it in my first Bushy Patrolman, 16 incher. I didn't notice any issues then. Today however out of the one box of 20 I had 3 blown primers. Two of the primers fell out onto the shooting table I was using. I shot 2 boxes of brown box XM193, a box each of Monarch brass FMJ and soft points, a box of 69 and 75 gr PRVI and 2 boxes of Monarch steel. None of the other ammo appeared to have any issues. One thing I seemed to notice was a bigger dent made by something in the base of the Fed AE (black box)brass which none of the other brass or steel seemed to be near as bad. Oh and I did have one round fail to chamber fully. I was using a Bushmaster 5 round magazine. I thought I had a FTFire. When I pulled the trigger is snapped but when I looked the round was not in battery and I could still see brass. I ejected that round and reinserted it back into the same mag and it fed ok the next few rounds until empty. I didn't use the 5 rounder anymore just in case. |
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MA, USA
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Posted: 6/12/2009 10:50:26 PM EDT
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I just got 2k rounds of xm193CBP 5.56 55g, packaged in the Federal American Eagle Tactical 100rnd boxes. I have sold more than I have shot. Actually I have not shot any yet. It is all head stamped L C 09. It looks good
at a quick glance nothing stood out. I have had some UMC, federal 223 party packs with crooked bullets and poorly seated primers??? I hope to blast some of this ASAP |
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Posted: 6/13/2009 12:28:05 AM EDT
[#26]
I have shot several thousand rounds of XM193 and XM193C––brown box and black box ammo. Have had zero problems with either one. I have fired this ammo in a CMMG 16" mid-length, a Ruger Mini-14 and a friend's Arsenal SLR-106F. Ran perfectly in all of them.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/15/2009 9:02:09 AM EDT
[#27]
Was at the range yesterday shooting XM193 in the black box. First 100 round white box I experienced about 5 blown primers. One of which jammed the rifle to the point I had to use a little pick to pry the bastard out. Second box of 100 rounds I got about half way through and had a serious jam that required help from the range officer. He and another gentleman examined the brass and there were no signs of over pressure and he said it looked like the crimp just wasn't deep enough/and or the brass had been reloaded too many times. Someone on page one mentioned making sure your gas system wasn't plugged causing an over pressure. How would a plugged gas tube (example) cause an over pressure? (not being a smart ass, I just don't know).
The rifle is a S&W and has had other brands of .223 through it without issue (first experience with real 5.56). The gun is going to my local smith this afternoon and I'll be contacting Federal as I have just over a 1000 rounds that I don't want to run through the gun. I can post the batch number if needed. Tom |
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Posted: 6/15/2009 10:40:37 AM EDT
[#28]
I haven't had any blown primers. But I did have a round where the bolt bent the hell out of the spent case rim and left it in the chamber. The brass cycled back out once I figured out where it was.
I've also found 2 badly bent rounds. But they were bent at the case neck so the bullet was pointing off to one side. One of these was 01 production and one was 09. Both would go into my headspace guage, so they would have chambered. I suspect that this problem was the reason for my baffle strike in my AAC silencer. I got the strike after firing over 1300 rounds of mostly handloads prior to this. So I know the silencer mounting was proven. I haven't had any issues since. I no longer shoot XM193 through my silencer without inspecting it very closely for bullet runout. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 6/18/2009 12:13:25 PM EDT
[#29]
Local gun smith checked the rifle and its well within spec. Time to contact Federal.....
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GA, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2009 10:42:32 PM EDT
[#30]
I've shot ~500 rounds through my Stag 16" Car gas, with carbine buffer.
No problems. Satisfactory performance. |
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Posted: 6/24/2009 12:37:19 AM EDT
[#31]
Shot only 120 rounds, and there were no problems found.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 6/26/2009 12:43:05 AM EDT
[#32]
I have about 3000 rounds of XM193F lot number V49 Z525 through my DPMS 16" with carbine gas system with no problems so far. I have the XM193F that comes in the 500 round case of 25 boxes of 20rds. Very clean also. I will buy more when I can find it. When I get a new scope to finish my critter rifle I will try the 193 in it. I like this ammo.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/27/2009 7:50:11 PM EDT
[#33]
Works fine, but the fireball is pretty crazy. I'd rather run Winchester Q3131A.
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UT, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2010 6:03:47 PM EDT
[#34]
Originally Posted By Suburban:
Works fine, but the fireball is pretty crazy. I'd rather run Winchester Q3131A. Which type of flash hider were you using. I cannot see any fireball when shooting with a Phantom 5C2 or A2X in low lighting. |
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HI, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2010 4:08:17 AM EDT
[#35]
I've shot about 460 rounds through my 16" M&P w/ no issues. Great ammo, and can source it locally cheaper then any other stuff here (go figure). Seemingly accurate (coming from a beginner shooter).
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Posted: 2/12/2010 11:44:12 PM EDT
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I haven't shot much of it but what I have shot so far I've only had 1 failure to fire. but in other aspects the ammo is good. When its time to stock up i'll probably stock up on it.
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 2/13/2010 12:14:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KEITH555]
[#37]
This is my go to ammo,both Bushmasters 16in 14.5in 2500 rds through each not one malfunction no blown primers.Excellent groups,using a cheap truglo red dot 5MOA. My groups at 100 with no magnification 1-2in groups(5 shot groups).I have pulled off 1 in groups pretty consistent,but the worse is 2. At 200yrds 6in grps with my cheap truglo worst 7in but pretty consistent with 6. When I hear negative reports about Fed XM193 I just dont see it. I believe the reports,but I have plenty rounds through both my weapons and I have none to report.I have shot prvi incosistent PLUS I DO NOT LIKE THE RED SEALANT,remington okay at 50 but slacks at 100.PMC okay,but groups are tighter with FED.
I would love to find a fair price on match ammo to see what my Bushmasters can really do. Keith |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 2/13/2010 6:47:34 PM EDT
[#38]
I liked it until the primers started to blow out. Several (3-5) blow outs in 400 rounds. Sometimes the primer only came out 1/2 way out of the pocket. It was in a 5.56 barrel from ADCO. They took it back to check it out and the chamber is fine.
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Posted: 3/26/2010 8:36:14 PM EDT
[#39]
I have fired about 100 rounds thru a Ruger mini 14 without any problems. This was 8 years ago.
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Posted: 3/26/2010 10:12:41 PM EDT
[#40]
Rock River 16" carbine-length 250 rounds recently. No issues.
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Posted: 3/29/2010 1:37:30 AM EDT
[#41]
Originally Posted By AustinWolv:
Rock River 16" carbine-length 250 rounds recently. No issues.That great news...RR 16" here as well, but have yet to shot any of the 1000 rounds stashed...hope to do so soon....will post results. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2010 4:00:44 PM EDT
[#42]
How about the current run of Federal M193AF LC in stripper clips with a case of 900???
Any specific problems with this ammo packaging in terms of the ammo itself or the strippers??? 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2010 8:25:31 AM EDT
[#43]
I'm instructor for the Air Force, we shoot LC 193 everyday, thousands of rounds everyday, M16A2's, M4's, and other assorted rifles. Never any issues with ammo, only one lot of WCC 9mm had to be recalled. It's good ammo, sometime we get shit from vietnam era and it shoots just awsome.
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Posted: 4/19/2010 8:48:09 AM EDT
[#44]
Since December 09, I've shot 2100 rounds of brown box XM193F, in 2 separate classes, all purchased from Midway in 08-09 without a single ammo related failure.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2010 10:29:27 AM EDT
[#45]
I've shot alot of this some in brown box, black box, stripper clips no problems so far. I have never shot the bulk packed ammo.
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IA, USA
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Posted: 4/19/2010 10:48:46 AM EDT
[#46]
1300 rounds in a 3-day carbine class. No issues. I did not clean the gun once.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2010 8:22:35 AM EDT
[#47]
Shot around 1K of it so far with no issues.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2010 4:32:46 PM EDT
[#48]
I got some just for sight-in. It shoots so well, all my mags are loaded with it now. Great ammo.
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MD, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2010 5:10:38 PM EDT
[#49]
I got my first box of the Federal XM193AF LC ammo on stripper clips. 900 rounds
I inspected all the rounds They looked like Sh*^. I have not bought ammo in 10 years and compared to reloads I bought back then the Federal stuff looked like floor droppings. Luckily I did not find any neck cracks or problems. There were some dents but not many that were a problem. Most shells had what apreared to be a black paint or marker marking near the top of the brass, suggesting that maybe it was used to identify problem rounds. None of the bullets had the markings, so my guess is that these rounds may have been rejects that were reloaded. I have not fired any yet. Perhaps in the next 2 weeks. Has anyone else seen this in this packaging??? |
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Posted: 4/21/2010 10:25:00 PM EDT
[#50]
I've had 2 blown primers in my last range session. I fired off about 400 rds of Federal XM193 AF 900 rd in stripper clips. Going to try something else next time. That black stuff is the annealing process. Your reloads won't have this.
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