Wonder how pissed she would be if she was faceing the situation the folks in New Orleans and the Gulf Coast area are now dealing with???? My wife complains to, BUT, you can damn well bet if or when SHTF, they will be very very grateful I planned ahead and have sufficent means to help them survive. How would they feel if we wimped out and did not prepare and then when SHTF we were totally defensless and unprepared. I would rather put up with a little bitching now than watch my family be victims if or when SHTF. My wife is starting to come around though, I have been educateing her and she has been watching what is happening in New Orelaens and she is starting to wake up. Will we ever have a SHTF scenario here in north central Minnesota? Chances are we won't, BUT, we can not say never, and we are aware of how little it takes to break down society as we witness New Orleans.