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Posted: 7/23/2005 7:31:03 PM EDT
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Q3131.
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Posted: 7/23/2005 7:33:50 PM EDT
[#2]
Q3131
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Posted: 7/23/2005 7:36:24 PM EDT
[#3]
75 grain Black Hills
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Posted: 7/23/2005 7:41:37 PM EDT
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All my AR's are in the safe.
My home defense guns are: Bounty Hunter side by side 12g Mossberg 500 12g Glock 23 Gen3 with NS and M-3 tactical light S&W Model 60 3" .357 S&W Model 60 2" .357 |
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Posted: 7/23/2005 7:46:06 PM EDT
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XM193
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Posted: 7/23/2005 8:09:14 PM EDT
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WHY?????????????????????????? |
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Posted: 7/23/2005 8:21:12 PM EDT
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I usually keep 75 gr TAP in a 30 rounder ready. But, just moved into a new apt (old one had cement walls) so I've bought some frangible .223 stuff but I dunno how it's going to work out. It's 45 gr and all my AR's are 1:7...
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Posted: 7/23/2005 8:21:50 PM EDT
[#8]
M196
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Posted: 7/23/2005 9:21:36 PM EDT
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62 grain Federal TRU
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Posted: 7/23/2005 9:24:01 PM EDT
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There is SS109 in my lightweight but my defensive weapons for home are 12ga buckshot in a Ithaca37 and .45 ball in a Colt Officers ACP.
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Posted: 7/24/2005 4:49:17 AM EDT
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I'm another one with the AR's in the safe.
I keep a Benelli M1Super 90 or a Mossy 500 @ the ready with a Sig 226 9mm in the night stand. But I keep a few mags of XM193 loaded in the safe with the AR's, Along with a few mags of Aussi 308 for the PTR-91 and M1A! |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 5:00:45 AM EDT
[#12]
Black Hills 75gr BTHP.
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Posted: 7/24/2005 5:05:53 AM EDT
[#13]
+1 on the AR's. 00 Buckshot in my 870. All my mags are loaded with XM193. |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 5:25:09 AM EDT
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Can't recommend an AR for a first line home defense gun.
The reasons are so numerous you could write a book on it from public opinion to safety. Tj |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 5:48:11 AM EDT
[#15]
75 gr Hornaday TAP
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Posted: 7/24/2005 5:58:02 AM EDT
[#16]
9 out of 10 defensive experts and professional firearm trainers disagree. I have an 870 with Surefire fore end, Speed Feed stock, extended mag, and side saddle that I keep loaded with #1 buck, but I will always go to the ARs first. There a far more reasons why a 5.56mm carbine is the best choice for home defense. |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 6:31:53 AM EDT
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And of all those reasons, the biggest reason why I choose it, is because of familiarity, I can work that gun in total darkness because I'm so used to it. I think thats the biggest thing really, in the end the ballistics don't mean squat if you are not so familiar/comfortable with the weapon that you can't get a good hit. Of course we can all say oh I use this gun, but in reality you grab what is closest to you, which might not be that AR or that shotty, it may be the pistol that you can't shoot fer shit(honestly I can't, but I'm getting better, and at in the home distances, I can handle my own with it) |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 6:41:31 AM EDT
[#18]
M-193 IMI
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Posted: 7/24/2005 6:49:54 AM EDT
[#19]
Same reason here (11 years Active Army) - familiarity. And I keep 7 HK mags loaded with BH 75gr BTHP for Home Defense. |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 7:24:25 AM EDT
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M193.I'm not worried about over penatration at all....( That's what she say's anyway )
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Posted: 7/24/2005 8:47:26 AM EDT
[#21]
XM193
It's not the first thing I would grab, for reasons which don't have to apply to anyone else, but it is the 2nd. |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 8:58:56 AM EDT
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For the AR I usually keep a 20-rd mag loaded with MK262 clone handloads.
For the Kimber (my WTF-was-that gun) I keep Rem 230-gr Golden Sabers. |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 9:14:17 AM EDT
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Federal Tactical, 28 in mag and 28 in RediMag.
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Posted: 7/24/2005 12:24:18 PM EDT
[#24]
75 grain TAP for the AR, BH 68 for the AK.
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Posted: 7/24/2005 1:06:47 PM EDT
[#25]
M193 or recently, 55grn TAP
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Posted: 7/24/2005 2:37:53 PM EDT
[#26]
Hornady 75 grain HPBT handloaded with Vihtavouri powder into WW brass and CCI milspec primers.
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Posted: 7/24/2005 2:38:16 PM EDT
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On my weapon at all times are two mags of XM193 ( MagCinch) and one mag of Federal TBBC 55gr (buttstock pouch) XM193 for soft targets, TBBC for hard targets |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 3:23:14 PM EDT
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AR(s): Q3131A, Hornady 75 grain TAP
AK: Norinco "Copper Washed" 7.62X39 |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 3:52:07 PM EDT
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M193 equivalent here.
The house gun has a 20rd mag with 18 rounds of South African M1A3 in it, plus a 30rd mag with 28 rounds of the same attached to the stock. I keep a 20rd in it so it's less likely to snag on something when I grab it. I also keep a bag with six 30rd mags, each with 28rds of XM193 because I don't have any more South African. I'll probably shoot that M1A3 soon, and then the house gun will be loaded with XM193. |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 4:08:08 PM EDT
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I would use my AR if I had to (loaded with XM193), but I would grab my 12ga coach gun first.
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Posted: 7/24/2005 4:17:22 PM EDT
[#31]
AR with Surefire loaded with 30 M193 clones that I rolled myself.
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Posted: 7/24/2005 4:39:24 PM EDT
[#32]
Hornady LE 75 grain TAP
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Posted: 7/24/2005 4:40:00 PM EDT
[#33]
75gr Hornady TAP BTHP
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Posted: 7/24/2005 4:46:05 PM EDT
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I'm sure you already know but if I were you I would re think using your own rolled ammo and go with store bought ammo, God forbid you had to use it to protect yourself/family and had to defend your actions/choices in court; the last think you need is a over zealous prosecutor saying that you make your own ammo so it is more deadly. That is exactly what they will say if, god forbid that day should ever come. Not trying to harp on you just giving what I think is sound advice. |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 5:52:06 PM EDT
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I would rather be judged by 12 that carried by 6. |
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Posted: 7/24/2005 5:58:48 PM EDT
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Please tell me you're joking. A coach gun???????????????? |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 3:45:55 AM EDT
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LakeCity greentips..........I don't give a fuck what a jury says as long as I come out of it alive.
If I don't, theres no problem Right? |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 6:40:28 AM EDT
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No AR here,
but I keep two 30rd mags DAG 55grs 5.56 loaded. Its hot, accurate, rather easy to replenish, gilding metal jacket and waterproof. I dont think I need/can reach out past 150m around here, maybe 200. So I guess its enough for self defense. [edit] Dont have the rifle out all the time. But mostly have a Glock 17 handy. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 6:49:01 AM EDT
[#39]
75gr TAP.
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Posted: 7/25/2005 7:20:20 AM EDT
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No options for 458 SOCOM, 50 AE, .50 Beowulf, 6.5 Grendel, or 6.8 SPC?
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Posted: 7/25/2005 7:27:00 AM EDT
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That is so teh ghey comment. No basis in reality. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 10:12:03 AM EDT
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Right, who is going to know they are reloads anyway? And who is gonna care? I could just see the scene of the shooting. Picture this exchange. Cops: What happened here? Victim: Well, I was just going to bed and I heard glass shatter. I went to investigate and encountered these two armed guys in my living room. I had to shoot them. Cops: Son, is that reloads you're using? I mean really. The guy said he's using freaking FMJ. Nobody is likely going to ever check to see if the ammo is commercial loads or reloads and being it is FMJ, I don't see what consequence it would have anyway. There's just bigger fish to fry at the scene of a shooting. So unless you mention it yourself, nobody is likely going to know or care. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 1:28:54 PM EDT
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28 rounds in 2 mags coupled together on the gun, 3 more in a CQB solutions chest rig (if I have time to put it on). I just hope to hell I never have to use 5 mags to defend myself...
-sc |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 1:33:30 PM EDT
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It's always loaded with 75gr TAP and fresh batteries in the Surefire.
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Posted: 7/25/2005 1:53:23 PM EDT
[#45]
My reloads shoot 55gr Hornady FMJBT's and I even use Mil surplus powder. They are loaded just a hair under M193 spec because that is what my rifle likes the best. I don't really see an issue in using them since I don't use anything super duper nasty in the mix. Thanks for your concern though! |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 1:59:42 PM EDT
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There is no issue, this is tossed around all the time as some sort of Gospel but no one can point to ANY case where it ever had a bearing. Ayoob writes on this all the time, and he advises against handloads only because of the general thought that factory loads are more reliable. The idea is that the prosecutor could label you as a "gun nut" but it's never actually happened. A good shoot is a good shoot, regardless of the weapon or ammo used. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 4:13:52 PM EDT
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It's not likely but why would you want to risk that slight possiblity? I'd worry more about the civil suit. Prosecutors aren't too likely to worry about it but attorneys who are looking to take your house and guns away in a civil suit definately would! Anything to make you look worse they will use against you. Remember, the requirement to prove your guilt in a criminal case is "Beyond Reasonable Doubt" but the proof of guilt in a civil case is simply a "Preponderance of Evidence". What that means is that you have to have overwhelming proof in a criminal case but only 51% evidence in a civil case. That ammo issue could be that 1% needed to make the civil suit. There is a reason that police departments use similar ammo and calibers. It is done to protect the departments in civil cases arrising from lawful shootings. They can bring in experts to testify that the ammo is commonly available to other agencies and that the ammo isn't out of the ordinary. It might not win the case but it's that much harder to win without that problem taken care of. And before someone asks.....No I don't know of any actual cases either criminal or civil. Ask some attorneys. But, for the relatively low cost of factory ammo, I don't think it's worth it to load your own. I don't want to be that test case!! How about you?? |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 4:16:17 PM EDT
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M193 for me in mine.
Danny 
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Posted: 7/25/2005 4:30:05 PM EDT
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HOW WILL THEY KNOW UNLESS YOU TELL THEM? You think some crack head/thief's family has the money to hire private investigators and ballistics experts who would actually find out that it was a reloaded round? Wow, you must have some really wealthy burglars to afford such detailed ballistcs analysis and investigative teams. Come back to planet Earth please. Please stop the paranoid internet rumor BS, legal paranoia and all around cowardice. I get sick of this kind of thought process being spread around the net. It reeks of pseudo legal experts who are about as much an attorney as the people who listen to them are warriors. I can almost guarntee this line of thought originated in a gun magazine by some author with too much time on his hands imagining how the legal system works and wishing he took that LSAT back in college. |
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Posted: 7/25/2005 5:14:28 PM EDT
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What ColtRifle posted is pretty much what I meant. I have read all of the M. Ayoob articles about what could happen or what has happen to defendents in a criminal/civil csae. I don't know of a documented case where the prosecutor went after a person for using handloads but if they had the chance they certainly would. Prosecutors have used far less and reaching things like hollowpoints or the fact that a person used a sub compact Glock. They certainly would use the handload thing and wether it is mildly loaded or not they will make it sound like it is the deadliest ammo in the world. I would also rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6 but if I am using a paticular weapon for HD/PD I will definetly only load it will factory ammo. There are just too many negatives and zero positives to use handloads for HD/PD. I'm not saying I wouldn't use a gun that was loaded with handloads to save my life but I certainly would not intentionally load a HD/PD gun with them. |
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