.22 Uppers: KKF, DPMS or CZ?

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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - .22 Uppers: KKF, DPMS or CZ?

Posted: 4/30/2004 4:30:12 PM EDT

Which is the best .22LR upper to get as far as reliability, build quality and magazine price/availability?

DPMS, seems to have good reviews.

KKF, has some custom options, but uses a Ciener kit. Reliable?

CZ V22, Definately priced right. Does it work OK?

How about magazines? Mags can make or break an otherwise good semi-auto.

Posted: 4/30/2004 6:20:45 PM EDT

[#1]

KKF and DPMS are both first rate, the CZ is a step down I think
Either of the first two should outlast your interest in firearms and maybe your kids' as well.

Posted: 4/30/2004 6:56:41 PM EDT

[#2]

I've been researching this and I'm planning to buy a DPMS as soon as Cheaperthandirt has them in stock at the advertised $399 price. Looks like the best combination of quality and value. I'm hoping it will run with the M261 magazines, of which I already have several.

Posted: 5/1/2004 4:04:06 AM EDT

[#3]

Also take a look at the uppers made by Rick Kuehl. I have two that run super. He uses a modified Ciener kit, so 30 rnd mags are readily available (but expensive at ~$110 each). 10 round mags cost ~$25. These uppers can be had with full auto capability if you ever get there. Also, he recesses the barrel in the receiver so a 16" barrel looks more like the 14.5" - that if you go for the M4 look alike. The only problem I've had with the Ciener is with some used mags I bought that needed the feed lips adjusted. It won't work if these are bent.

Posted: 5/1/2004 5:36:21 AM EDT

[#4]

I second the Kuehl upper. You may want to consider it also. Here's a pic of it.

Dan

Posted: 5/1/2004 6:47:01 AM EDT

[#5]

Thanks for the replies folks!

I forgot all about Kuehl Precision.

Boy, that is a good price on the DPMS unit at CTD. That's cheaper than Brownells with an FFL/C&R discount. No wonder they are sold out.

That's a beautiful 22LR M4, Dan0341!

Posted: 5/1/2004 2:13:04 PM EDT

[#6]

Can't get KKF's stuff over here in the UK, but had a look at the CZ and DPMS M4. CZ is ok, but looks like any other .22 rifle (side cocking bolt). It will use Ciener 30 round mags though.

Went with a pre-ban DPMS M4 carbine in the end, real quality and its the 'real deal' M4. 10 round mags are a bummer, but Southern Gun Co here in UK will be selling a 25 round mag shortly.

It's stuck in customs at Chicago Intl at the moment waiting for Feb export papers,(come on guys it's been 3 weeks

)

Will post a better review with pics when i get my hands on it.

Andy

Posted: 5/2/2004 5:16:37 AM EDT

[#7]

You can't go wrong with Kuehl. I've got one listed on the equipment exchange for a very resonable price.

Posted: 5/3/2004 12:50:20 AM EDT

[#8]

Kuehl rules! 30rd mags are expensive, but after the AWB sunset the prices should drop back down again. His work is great, he tests for fit and function - even the magazines. I had him make me a semiauto M4gery and a full auto SD upper. Luckily I had a bunch of 30rd mags I got before the ban, and spare suppressor lying around. I'm a happy camper.

Posted: 5/3/2004 4:03:21 AM EDT

[#9]

Anyone have a link for Keuhl uppers? TIA!

Posted: 5/3/2004 6:48:14 AM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
Anyone have a link for Keuhl uppers? TIA!

www.kuehlprecisionfirearms.com

Posted: 5/3/2004 1:36:43 PM EDT

[#11]

CZ is a P.O.S. --- I had to polish the bolt face, the feed ramp, and the chamber to get it to work right. It only likes Mini-Mags and jams-up or doesn't eject with any other kind of ammo. Firing pin broke and they had to take one out of a new one because they don't have any spare parts. Go for a DPMS at least.

Posted: 5/3/2004 4:43:58 PM EDT

[#12]

I chose the Kuehl in part because only the finest materals are used and you are getting a personal hand built upper. FN uppers and highest grade match barrels with match tolerences are employed. Not a mass produced upper but a truly hand made upper.

Posted: 5/4/2004 7:36:51 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
I've been researching this and I'm planning to buy a DPMS as soon as Cheaperthandirt has them in stock at the advertised $399 price. Looks like the best combination of quality and value. I'm hoping it will run with the M261 magazines, of which I already have several.

Brownell's carries these...they have the flat top bull barrel one for $349 dealer price...get that C&R TODAY!! They also carry M4 and CMP versions, but they cost more.

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - .22 Uppers: KKF, DPMS or CZ?

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