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Posted: 11/17/2013 5:35:03 AM EDT
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No, try Ebay.
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Posted: 11/17/2013 5:42:43 AM EDT
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Palmetto State and other industry partners of this site have them from time to time cheaper than the Sig site.
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Posted: 11/17/2013 5:55:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/17/2013 6:38:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/17/2013 10:17:23 AM EDT
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Thanks I will pass it along to the wife
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Posted: 11/17/2013 10:40:28 AM EDT
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eBay. Find one that accept offers. You can get it down to $115 shipped. Trust me
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Posted: 11/17/2013 1:11:20 PM EDT
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eBay. Find one that accept offers. You can get it down to $115 shipped. Trust me Yep....We've bought 4 of them from that guy. He has his "AUTO ACCEPT" set at $115 with free shipping. I actually got his to manually accept an offer of $111 on my last one. Below $110 is set to "AUTO DECLINE"....I felt like pushing the limits on the last one. 
Here's one of them.... 
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Posted: 11/17/2013 1:31:38 PM EDT
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Got a link to the eBay store?
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Posted: 11/17/2013 1:34:48 PM EDT
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Got a link to the eBay store? IM Sent......go get it. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 2:15:03 PM EDT
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A little off topic but how are these legal? Does it matter how you use it? I'm not sure I would want this thing strapped to my arm as it seems like you would have to shoot it like a handgun. But what if you install it to the pistol buffer tube and then bring it up to your shoulder and make a cheek weld. That seems kind of iffy in terms of legality.
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Posted: 11/17/2013 2:30:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IM Sent......go get it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Got a link to the eBay store? IM Sent......go get it. Care to share that link with the rest of us?
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Posted: 11/17/2013 2:34:20 PM EDT
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A little off topic but how are these legal? Does it matter how you use it? I'm not sure I would want this thing strapped to my arm as it seems like you would have to shoot it like a handgun. But what if you install it to the pistol buffer tube and then bring it up to your shoulder and make a cheek weld. That seems kind of iffy in terms of legality. once again the ATF can not tell you how to hold the gun, only what can be attached. If you want to hang upside down and shoot it with your dick then by all means go for it. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 3:02:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Care to share that link with the rest of us? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Got a link to the eBay store? IM Sent......go get it. Care to share that link with the rest of us? Never mind found the link on eBay.... |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 4:04:57 PM EDT
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once again the ATF can not tell you how to hold the gun, only what can be attached. If you want to hang upside down and shoot it with your dick then by all means go for it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A little off topic but how are these legal? Does it matter how you use it? I'm not sure I would want this thing strapped to my arm as it seems like you would have to shoot it like a handgun. But what if you install it to the pistol buffer tube and then bring it up to your shoulder and make a cheek weld. That seems kind of iffy in terms of legality. once again the ATF can not tell you how to hold the gun, only what can be attached. If you want to hang upside down and shoot it with your dick then by all means go for it. challenge accepted. I wish there was more clarity about this to be honest. I wish the ATF would just post a letter saying that you can fire it from the shoulder. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 4:22:07 PM EDT
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challenge accepted. I wish there was more clarity about this to be honest. I wish the ATF would just post a letter saying that you can fire it from the shoulder. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A little off topic but how are these legal? Does it matter how you use it? I'm not sure I would want this thing strapped to my arm as it seems like you would have to shoot it like a handgun. But what if you install it to the pistol buffer tube and then bring it up to your shoulder and make a cheek weld. That seems kind of iffy in terms of legality. once again the ATF can not tell you how to hold the gun, only what can be attached. If you want to hang upside down and shoot it with your dick then by all means go for it. challenge accepted. I wish there was more clarity about this to be honest. I wish the ATF would just post a letter saying that you can fire it from the shoulder. It's such an obvious concept, and with no laws against it in US history, you're probably one of the few people who have ever questioned it! Think there's a charge of "firing a pistol using the shoulder"? Ya reckon firing a rifle or shotgun from the hip is equally questionable? How about the cat that shoots his 1911 with his feet? - OS |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 5:09:38 PM EDT
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I agree that it is stupid but I know how ridiculous some law enforcement is in my area and I would rather not have to deal with it in court when they could just put it on a letter.
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Posted: 11/17/2013 5:24:15 PM EDT
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I agree that it is stupid but I know how ridiculous some law enforcement is in my area and I would rather not have to deal with it in court when they could just put it on a letter. I'd posit that if I'm arrested for shooting a pistol from the shoulder, my bank account would likely eventually grow enough to compensate for the hassle. - OS |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 5:27:27 PM EDT
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Soo why doesn't someone just contact the atf and ask them
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Posted: 11/17/2013 5:49:28 PM EDT
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Here is the letter from ATF but what if one is at the range or somewhere shooting AR Pistol but using shoulder instead of wrap around your forearm, will one get in trouble
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:02:26 PM EDT
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Soo why doesn't someone just contact the atf and ask them I am sure its safer not to ask |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:09:25 PM EDT
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While your asking, see if shooting my rifle with one hand makes it a pistol......lol
Its the same thing. How you hold it doesn't change what it is. The ATF ruled the brace legal. That's it. Conversation over. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:11:17 PM EDT
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I know its not a big deal. I just hear about this all the time and it would be nice to have the damn piece of paper that says it.
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:23:20 PM EDT
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I know its not a big deal. I just hear about this all the time and it would be nice to have the damn piece of paper that says it.... Be sure to get a ruling on long guns too. I'd hate to become a felon for blowing up stuff at the range with my shotgun not against my shoulder. - OS |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:27:27 PM EDT
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Be sure to get a ruling on long guns too. I'd hate to become a felon for blowing up stuff at the range with my shotgun not against my shoulder. - OS Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know its not a big deal. I just hear about this all the time and it would be nice to have the damn piece of paper that says it.... Be sure to get a ruling on long guns too. I'd hate to become a felon for blowing up stuff at the range with my shotgun not against my shoulder. - OS Well stop shooting your shot gun wrong. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 8:49:31 PM EDT
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Well stop shooting your shot gun wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know its not a big deal. I just hear about this all the time and it would be nice to have the damn piece of paper that says it.... Be sure to get a ruling on long guns too. I'd hate to become a felon for blowing up stuff at the range with my shotgun not against my shoulder. - OS Well stop shooting your shot gun wrong. Can hardly believe you have the slightest worry about this non-issue. It's really beyond silly. - OS |
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Posted: 11/18/2013 8:22:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here is the letter from ATF but what if one is at the range or somewhere shooting AR Pistol but using shoulder instead of wrap around your forearm, will one get in trouble I guess here is the answer to my question: LINK Legal Stuff As the cuff portion of the brace is made of somewhat firm rubber, a shooter can use the Pistol Brace as a shoulder stock when braced against the body. The concern: doing so would turn the pistol into an illegal short-barreled rifle. According to ATF’s logic, conclusion and ultimately its Approval Letter – no. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (and Really Big Fires) sent inventor Bosco a definitive missive, downloadable here, stating that . . . the submitted forearm brace, when attached to a firearm does not convert that weapon to be fired from the shoulder and would not alter the classification of a pistol or other firearm. While a firearm so equipped would still be regulated by the Gun Control Act, such a firearm would NOT BE subject to NFA controls. The aforementioned paragraph allows the brace to be used on a firearm (pistol or rifle) without converting it to a weapon that would be subject to NFA rules. This also opens a can of worms, but more on that later. Shouldering the pistol brace would be a misuse of the brace. By that, I mean it would be used in a manner not consistent with its intended purpose. Using a device in a manner that’s different from its intended purpose does not necessarily make its use, or the device itself, illegal. Shouldering a pistol buffer tube does not turn an AR pistol into a short-barreled rifle. Use of a bipod mounted on a pistol as a forward vertical grip (see Ruger 10/22 Charger pistol with bipod) does not convert the pistol into an illegal AOW. Likewise, firing a pistol using two hands does not convert it into a rifle even though the definition of a pistol is a firearm designed to be fired with one hand. The ATF approved the use of the product as a brace for shooting a pistol one-handed. Using it differently than intended does not change the classification of the device or the firearm. Case closed. |
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Posted: 11/18/2013 8:48:07 AM EDT
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Sig would market refrigerators to eskimoes.
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Posted: 11/18/2013 9:07:02 AM EDT
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Compliant Letter I guess here is the answer to my question: LINK Legal Stuff As the cuff portion of the brace is made of somewhat firm rubber, a shooter can use the Pistol Brace as a shoulder stock when braced against the body. The concern: doing so would turn the pistol into an illegal short-barreled rifle. According to ATF’s logic, conclusion and ultimately its Approval Letter – no. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (and Really Big Fires) sent inventor Bosco a definitive missive, downloadable here, stating that . . . [div style='margin-left: 40px;']the submitted forearm brace, when attached to a firearm does not convert that weapon to be fired from the shoulder and would not alter the classification of a pistol or other firearm. While a firearm so equipped would still be regulated by the Gun Control Act, such a firearm would NOT BE subject to NFA controls. The aforementioned paragraph allows the brace to be used on a firearm (pistol or rifle) without converting it to a weapon that would be subject to NFA rules. This also opens a can of worms, but more on that later. Shouldering the pistol brace would be a misuse of the brace. By that, I mean it would be used in a manner not consistent with its intended purpose. Using a device in a manner that’s different from its intended purpose does not necessarily make its use, or the device itself, illegal. Shouldering a pistol buffer tube does not turn an AR pistol into a short-barreled rifle. Use of a bipod mounted on a pistol as a forward vertical grip (see Ruger 10/22 Charger pistol with bipod) does not convert the pistol into an illegal AOW. Likewise, firing a pistol using two hands does not convert it into a rifle even though the definition of a pistol is a firearm designed to be fired with one hand. The ATF approved the use of the product as a brace for shooting a pistol one-handed. Using it differently than intended does not change the classification of the device or the firearm. Case closed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here is the letter from ATF but what if one is at the range or somewhere shooting AR Pistol but using shoulder instead of wrap around your forearm, will one get in trouble
I guess here is the answer to my question: LINK Legal Stuff As the cuff portion of the brace is made of somewhat firm rubber, a shooter can use the Pistol Brace as a shoulder stock when braced against the body. The concern: doing so would turn the pistol into an illegal short-barreled rifle. According to ATF’s logic, conclusion and ultimately its Approval Letter – no. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (and Really Big Fires) sent inventor Bosco a definitive missive, downloadable here, stating that . . . [div style='margin-left: 40px;']the submitted forearm brace, when attached to a firearm does not convert that weapon to be fired from the shoulder and would not alter the classification of a pistol or other firearm. While a firearm so equipped would still be regulated by the Gun Control Act, such a firearm would NOT BE subject to NFA controls. The aforementioned paragraph allows the brace to be used on a firearm (pistol or rifle) without converting it to a weapon that would be subject to NFA rules. This also opens a can of worms, but more on that later. Shouldering the pistol brace would be a misuse of the brace. By that, I mean it would be used in a manner not consistent with its intended purpose. Using a device in a manner that’s different from its intended purpose does not necessarily make its use, or the device itself, illegal. Shouldering a pistol buffer tube does not turn an AR pistol into a short-barreled rifle. Use of a bipod mounted on a pistol as a forward vertical grip (see Ruger 10/22 Charger pistol with bipod) does not convert the pistol into an illegal AOW. Likewise, firing a pistol using two hands does not convert it into a rifle even though the definition of a pistol is a firearm designed to be fired with one hand. The ATF approved the use of the product as a brace for shooting a pistol one-handed. Using it differently than intended does not change the classification of the device or the firearm. Case closed. Can I add an "amen" to this? |
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Posted: 11/18/2013 9:45:07 AM EDT
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We all know that shouldering a pistol is fine but the concern is over the mis use of the brace. Is there any legal standard that says the atf doesn't govern how you use the item or are we just guessing there isnt
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Posted: 11/18/2013 10:22:43 AM EDT
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Compliant Letter I guess here is the answer to my question: LINK Legal Stuff As the cuff portion of the brace is made of somewhat firm rubber, a shooter can use the Pistol Brace as a shoulder stock when braced against the body. The concern: doing so would turn the pistol into an illegal short-barreled rifle. According to ATF’s logic, conclusion and ultimately its Approval Letter – no. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (and Really Big Fires) sent inventor Bosco a definitive missive, downloadable here, stating that . . . [div style='margin-left: 40px;']the submitted forearm brace, when attached to a firearm does not convert that weapon to be fired from the shoulder and would not alter the classification of a pistol or other firearm. While a firearm so equipped would still be regulated by the Gun Control Act, such a firearm would NOT BE subject to NFA controls. The aforementioned paragraph allows the brace to be used on a firearm (pistol or rifle) without converting it to a weapon that would be subject to NFA rules. This also opens a can of worms, but more on that later. Shouldering the pistol brace would be a misuse of the brace. By that, I mean it would be used in a manner not consistent with its intended purpose. Using a device in a manner that’s different from its intended purpose does not necessarily make its use, or the device itself, illegal. Shouldering a pistol buffer tube does not turn an AR pistol into a short-barreled rifle. Use of a bipod mounted on a pistol as a forward vertical grip (see Ruger 10/22 Charger pistol with bipod) does not convert the pistol into an illegal AOW. Likewise, firing a pistol using two hands does not convert it into a rifle even though the definition of a pistol is a firearm designed to be fired with one hand. The ATF approved the use of the product as a brace for shooting a pistol one-handed. Using it differently than intended does not change the classification of the device or the firearm. Case closed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here is the letter from ATF but what if one is at the range or somewhere shooting AR Pistol but using shoulder instead of wrap around your forearm, will one get in trouble
I guess here is the answer to my question: LINK Legal Stuff As the cuff portion of the brace is made of somewhat firm rubber, a shooter can use the Pistol Brace as a shoulder stock when braced against the body. The concern: doing so would turn the pistol into an illegal short-barreled rifle. According to ATF’s logic, conclusion and ultimately its Approval Letter – no. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (and Really Big Fires) sent inventor Bosco a definitive missive, downloadable here, stating that . . . [div style='margin-left: 40px;']the submitted forearm brace, when attached to a firearm does not convert that weapon to be fired from the shoulder and would not alter the classification of a pistol or other firearm. While a firearm so equipped would still be regulated by the Gun Control Act, such a firearm would NOT BE subject to NFA controls. The aforementioned paragraph allows the brace to be used on a firearm (pistol or rifle) without converting it to a weapon that would be subject to NFA rules. This also opens a can of worms, but more on that later. Shouldering the pistol brace would be a misuse of the brace. By that, I mean it would be used in a manner not consistent with its intended purpose. Using a device in a manner that’s different from its intended purpose does not necessarily make its use, or the device itself, illegal. Shouldering a pistol buffer tube does not turn an AR pistol into a short-barreled rifle. Use of a bipod mounted on a pistol as a forward vertical grip (see Ruger 10/22 Charger pistol with bipod) does not convert the pistol into an illegal AOW. Likewise, firing a pistol using two hands does not convert it into a rifle even though the definition of a pistol is a firearm designed to be fired with one hand. The ATF approved the use of the product as a brace for shooting a pistol one-handed. Using it differently than intended does not change the classification of the device or the firearm. Case closed. Well put these were all in my head you simply put them down intelligently. |
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Posted: 11/18/2013 10:32:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We all know that shouldering a pistol is fine but the concern is over the mis use of the brace. Is there any legal standard that says the atf doesn't govern how you use the item or are we just guessing there isnt Well, if you really look at the Sig brace the only thing that is really strong enough to rest against your shoulder is the buffer tube part therefore just like the other two parts that go around your arm are not consider as hard platform as butt stock would be and make sure you are resting your cheek on the brace as you would be using CAA cheek rest or a form cover and they are totally legal.....for AR pistol |
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Posted: 11/18/2013 1:05:46 PM EDT
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Well, if you really look at the Sig brace the only thing that is really strong enough to rest against your shoulder is the buffer tube part therefore just like the other two parts that go around your arm are not consider as hard platform as butt stock would be and make sure you are resting your cheek on the brace as you would be using CAA cheek rest or a form cover and they are totally legal.....for AR pistol https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTomMelpA7SO305S3XhNU-OFtc8nEkgNyzxE2pBMmEN2luJRS4U Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We all know that shouldering a pistol is fine but the concern is over the mis use of the brace. Is there any legal standard that says the atf doesn't govern how you use the item or are we just guessing there isnt Well, if you really look at the Sig brace the only thing that is really strong enough to rest against your shoulder is the buffer tube part therefore just like the other two parts that go around your arm are not consider as hard platform as butt stock would be and make sure you are resting your cheek on the brace as you would be using CAA cheek rest or a form cover and they are totally legal.....for AR pistol https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTomMelpA7SO305S3XhNU-OFtc8nEkgNyzxE2pBMmEN2luJRS4U So the brace sorta functions like the one above (in addition to being an arm brace), but with the flimsy flaps that looks like a stock. If I had another material, like an ammo pouch hanging off the buffer tube, that wouldn't be classified as a stock, would it? The sig brace only LOOKS like a stock, but it isn't. It's a CAA with wings. |
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Posted: 11/18/2013 1:12:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the brace sorta functions like the one above (in addition to being an arm brace), but with the flimsy flaps that looks like a stock. If I had another material, like an ammo pouch hanging off the buffer tube, that wouldn't be classified as a stock, would it? The sig brace only LOOKS like a stock, but it isn't. It's a CAA with wings. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We all know that shouldering a pistol is fine but the concern is over the mis use of the brace. Is there any legal standard that says the atf doesn't govern how you use the item or are we just guessing there isnt Well, if you really look at the Sig brace the only thing that is really strong enough to rest against your shoulder is the buffer tube part therefore just like the other two parts that go around your arm are not consider as hard platform as butt stock would be and make sure you are resting your cheek on the brace as you would be using CAA cheek rest or a form cover and they are totally legal.....for AR pistol https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTomMelpA7SO305S3XhNU-OFtc8nEkgNyzxE2pBMmEN2luJRS4U So the brace sorta functions like the one above (in addition to being an arm brace), but with the flimsy flaps that looks like a stock. If I had another material, like an ammo pouch hanging off the buffer tube, that wouldn't be classified as a stock, would it? The sig brace only LOOKS like a stock, but it isn't. It's a CAA with wings. |
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Posted: 11/18/2013 5:12:18 PM EDT
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Sig ships these braces with a copy of the ATF determination letter, which includes the shoulder ruling. Roll it up, stick it in the grip of your gun, and stop worrying.
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Posted: 11/18/2013 7:44:05 PM EDT
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I know its not a big deal. I just hear about this all the time and it would be nice to have the damn piece of paper that says it.  http://youtu.be/fqSFY3HAc3QI don't want to hijack but im looking at building my first pistol in 556 but that setup there is pretty much the length id like to be at. What are the specs on it if you don't mind me jumping in this thread |
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Posted: 11/19/2013 4:46:01 AM EDT
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I actually had that barrel cut to 10.3 inches but 10.5 works as well. I have a 10.5 5.56 barrel that is about to go into that pistol. Nothing too fancy a Peru common size. The rail is a cheap yhm one that I had laying around before that is just being put to use.
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Posted: 11/19/2013 6:52:48 AM EDT
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Ok thanks I was thinking it was a 10.5 and that's the size overall I'm wanting so now its time to start looking for parts
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Posted: 11/22/2013 1:17:38 PM EDT
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I got mine from a dealer on gunbroker. $110 delivered to my door.
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Posted: 12/4/2013 5:32:52 PM EDT
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Yep....We've bought 4 of them from that guy. He has his "AUTO ACCEPT" set at $115 with free shipping. I actually got his to manually accept an offer of $111 on my last one. Below $110 is set to "AUTO DECLINE"....I felt like pushing the limits on the last one.
Here's one of them.... <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/yfz450air/media/Guns/DSC00922_zps2909d11e.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/yfz450air/Guns/DSC00922_zps2909d11e.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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eBay. Find one that accept offers. You can get it down to $115 shipped. Trust me Yep....We've bought 4 of them from that guy. He has his "AUTO ACCEPT" set at $115 with free shipping. I actually got his to manually accept an offer of $111 on my last one. Below $110 is set to "AUTO DECLINE"....I felt like pushing the limits on the last one.
Here's one of them.... <a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/user/yfz450air/media/Guns/DSC00922_zps2909d11e.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/yfz450air/Guns/DSC00922_zps2909d11e.jpg</a> Just had to say thanks for this post guys I orderded one up today for 112 shipped while others are bidding up at $117 still. Arfcom to the rescue again |
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Posted: 12/4/2013 6:01:55 PM EDT
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Though mentioned as a "forearm brace" in the letter, it says "when attached to a firearm" and does not say anything about being attached to the forearm.
In the preceding paragraph, it does mention the proper usage of the brace, with the forearm inserted "into the device" and operating the firearm "with one hand". At the end of the day, it would probably be a situation of "he said, she said" and if your lawyer is better than the government appointed one. A sympathetic jury never hurt. Just don't be caught on camera firing the firearm "from the shoulder". Disclosure: YMMV...I'm not a lawyer. |
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Posted: 12/4/2013 6:44:48 PM EDT
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Though mentioned as a "forearm brace" in the letter, it says "when attached to a firearm" and does not say anything about being attached to the forearm. In the preceding paragraph, it does mention the proper usage of the brace, with the forearm inserted "into the device" and operating the firearm "with one hand". At the end of the day, it would probably be a situation of "he said, she said" and if your lawyer is better than the government appointed one. A sympathetic jury never hurt. Just don't be caught on camera firing the firearm "from the shoulder". Disclosure: YMMV...I'm not a lawyer. Why would you do anything if you wouldn't do it on camera? Not being caught on camera means that in your mind you think you are doing something wrong. That is the wrong attitude to have in my eyes. |
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Posted: 12/4/2013 7:01:21 PM EDT
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Why would you do anything if you wouldn't do it on camera? Not being caught on camera means that in your mind you think you are doing something wrong. That is the wrong attitude to have in my eyes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Though mentioned as a "forearm brace" in the letter, it says "when attached to a firearm" and does not say anything about being attached to the forearm. In the preceding paragraph, it does mention the proper usage of the brace, with the forearm inserted "into the device" and operating the firearm "with one hand". At the end of the day, it would probably be a situation of "he said, she said" and if your lawyer is better than the government appointed one. A sympathetic jury never hurt. Just don't be caught on camera firing the firearm "from the shoulder". Disclosure: YMMV...I'm not a lawyer. Why would you do anything if you wouldn't do it on camera? Not being caught on camera means that in your mind you think you are doing something wrong. That is the wrong attitude to have in my eyes. Isn't it sad the fear people fell for this kind of stuff, or for anything period. If there is not a law specifically prohibiting something ie: misuse of a device, there is no law broken! The fact of the matter is people are afraid because the ATF is not coherent and cohesive and years in prison could be on the line. They can and have changed their minds on things, but lets be serious people the things they have made illegal have merit being so. They are confined by their own boundaries, and at the moment they cant just change everything, they have classified/defined everything as best they can. The result of which has left loopholes for things like slidefire, sb-15, tac con, and so forth. The NFA should be illegal, but its not, so we have to work those loopholes. |
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Posted: 12/4/2013 8:25:59 PM EDT
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I do not have and have never held one so I don't know...what is the OD of a rifle length fixed stock buffer tube? Seemed like i could get a more effective placement of the brace using the longer tube and spacing the inside of the tube down to carbine length to accommodate the spring and buffer.
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Posted: 12/4/2013 10:25:46 PM EDT
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Pretty sure the rifle tube has been done before.
The Law Tactical folding buffer tube adapter is a good way to add length too 
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Posted: 12/5/2013 8:25:56 PM EDT
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Pretty sure the rifle tube has been done before. The Law Tactical folding buffer tube adapter is a good way to add length too found it. a2 buffer tube w/ brace, not exactly sure he has the brace all the way up on the tube though. it really looks out of place but i bet its better than hunching up on it. http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/AJ_Dual/IMG_20131125_191907_919_zpsf6c5b8d7.jpg |
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Posted: 12/6/2013 4:28:55 AM EDT
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found it. a2 buffer tube w/ brace, not exactly sure he has the brace all the way up on the tube though. it really looks out of place but i bet its better than hunching up on it. http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/AJ_Dual/IMG_20131125_191907_919_zpsf6c5b8d7.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pretty sure the rifle tube has been done before. The Law Tactical folding buffer tube adapter is a good way to add length too found it. a2 buffer tube w/ brace, not exactly sure he has the brace all the way up on the tube though. it really looks out of place but i bet its better than hunching up on it. http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/AJ_Dual/IMG_20131125_191907_919_zpsf6c5b8d7.jpg so he has long arms |
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Posted: 12/6/2013 6:41:09 AM EDT
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Its not all the way on...Mine has an A2 with the brace all the way on...from the beginning of the brace to the receiver there is about a 4" area of exposed buffer tube...This guy must be very large..
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Posted: 12/8/2013 3:29:23 PM EDT
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I am buying 2 sig braces tonight, and I have not the slightest issue or worry.
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Posted: 12/8/2013 3:52:30 PM EDT
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I am buying 2 sig braces tonight, and I have not the slightest issue or worry. Rob My pistol RE finally came in and I put it on my lower with about a two inch gap between the end of the SIGTAC and the reciever. Turns out this legnth is almost exactly the same size as my Vltor A-5 RE/buffer EMOD stock is when fully collapsed. It is quite solid and serviceable also. |
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Posted: 12/9/2013 2:06:48 AM EDT
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Why would you do anything if you wouldn't do it on camera? Not being caught on camera means that in your mind you think you are doing something wrong. That is the wrong attitude to have in my eyes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Though mentioned as a "forearm brace" in the letter, it says "when attached to a firearm" and does not say anything about being attached to the forearm. In the preceding paragraph, it does mention the proper usage of the brace, with the forearm inserted "into the device" and operating the firearm "with one hand". At the end of the day, it would probably be a situation of "he said, she said" and if your lawyer is better than the government appointed one. A sympathetic jury never hurt. Just don't be caught on camera firing the firearm "from the shoulder". Disclosure: YMMV...I'm not a lawyer. Why would you do anything if you wouldn't do it on camera? Not being caught on camera means that in your mind you think you are doing something wrong. That is the wrong attitude to have in my eyes. My response was geared towards those who are worried/scared enough to want a letter from the ATF that says "congrats, you found a loophole called the SIG brace and we approved it!" If you are one of those people who does not need such a letter, and it seems that you fall into that category, then please disregard my response. |
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