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Posted: 11/21/2005 4:30:05 PM EDT
First some pics and whats in the gun:
LMT complete lower KAC 2 stage trigger Magpul M93B w/ sling point Specter MOUT sling Magpul MIAD CMT upper CMT bolt LMT enhanced carrier KAC 600m BUIS PRI Gas Buster Schmidt & Bender Short Dot LaRue SPR 1.5 mount Noveske 16" stainless barrel KAC URX II in dark earth KAC flip up front site/gas block KAC dark earth pannels KAC flash hider Old LaBele Black Teflon mags (whose currently making something similar?) Ranger plates I've just been shooting with it one time and it was at an informal class we did to prep for an upcoming multi day Pat Rogers class in a few weeks. The gun performed flawlessly through just under 400 rounds or so in 5 hours. In addition to all the shooting we did, it was raining, so that added a little more to the first time testing. Zeroing the optic was a breeze. Took about four rounds. The adjustments on the scope were precise and positive. I would like to try a vert grip on the gun. My first time out was primarily quick CQB shooting, and I missed having one. I'll shoot it again next weekend at FDCC 2 weeks after that, I may be able to get out to shoot it at the longer ranges and see how it all comes together. the week after that I am off to the Pat Rogers class where I will shoot the crap out of it for three days. As I shoot it more I will compare it to other similar guns new-argirl and I have like the Lilja barreled Recce and my Recce style MRP. At the moment I cant really say that there's anything I like about this particular set up that makes me like it more than about anything else I have right now. I can tell you that this scope and the trigger have a lot to do with it. The scope is simply phenominal. While zeroing I turned the scope up to 4x and turned the dot off. The center cross hair was thin and made slicing the small dots on the target easy. Very much like my old TAO1nsn. For the rest of the class, I was using the optic on low power with the dot turned on to its 8th setting. That was plenty bright for the gloomy sky and rainy day. At 25 yards I turned it to 2 power and left the dot on. It was just like my Compact ACOG. I havent looked at the spec sheets, but the scope seemed to have better field of that either of the ACOGs. When we move up real close, I turned it down to 1.1 and kept the dot on. Reminded me of my Aimpoints. It's a GREAT thing when you can get one scope to perform as well as three seperate specialized optics. The gun is not light. With an unloaded mag, its pushing 10 pounds. I cant say I dont notice that it is heavier than some of my other guns, but I also cant say it bothers me. I have a couple lightweight guns, and they are a lot of fun to shoot, but the guns I shoot most are usually hovering around this same weight, so it doesnt bother me in the least either. The potential capability of this gun has me pretty hyped up to shoot it more and see what it can do. Since I've been building myself guns, I have always enjoyed the challenge of giving any single rifle the ability to do may things well. From many large targets up close that need to be shot quickly, to the ability to shoot very small targets at mid range, or realistic size targets out quite far. If I can make a gun that can perform whatever it is faced with (within reason of course), I tend to be happier than accepting a limitation in one area to excell in another. Of the guns I've made for myself, and the many I have made for others, I think this one has a better opportunity to do more, and better. I am very excited to find out if thats true. |
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Very nice.
It looks just like Kevin's URX mid-length. It looks like Wes hooked you up. |
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I was just talking to a friend today how this gun turned pretty much exactly into KevB's gun unintentionally. I hope he doenst mind!
Where did I get the hard to find parts? Right place at the right time I guess. There was a rifle length URX upper for sale on the EE not too long ago. Maybe another will pop up some time? I can tell you with a certainty though, it wont be mine!! |
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Sweet piece Neil.
I see you have your scope mounted like I do - shoved all the way forward in the Larue mount. I run my Magpul one notch farther out that on my other guns and I still find myself wishing for an SPR-E mount. Something about a 10 lb carbine I find comforting too... |
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Its not that a preffer the gun to be heavy. More like I just accept it. Its just what I said earlier, I would rather not accept shortcomings in one area to excell in others, like the overall weight of the gun. Within reason of course, I'd rather add weight to gain in some area of performance than try to shave weight. Too much of anything (added weight, or weight savings for example) *can* be a limitation.
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You're now the president of the Gucci Girl Club
Very nice, but bsbg and I both know you're missing a PVS14 our M.U.M |
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Hey Neil nice set up. I still think it would look even better with an LMT stock. But that gun is SWEET!!
When you come back from the Pat Rogers Class, let us know what type of ARs you see out there. I'm curious to see how many guys carry just plain jane carbines with iron sights? Also who makes that rail? Or did I miss it? Jake. |
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Rail is the URX II from Knights. I took Pats class last year, I think I saw one guy and one woman with a plain Bushmaster and Colt carbine. There were two guys with some sorry parts on their guns that would have been better off with plain guns. The rest of the full class all had modifications. It was at that class that I first saw the Short Dot. One of the guys helping was Hilton Yam, he had one. I used a ACOG as did another guy. Everyone else was Aimpoints, except for the two guys who would have been better off with plain guns. Both had the same ATN dot sights. At least thats what I think they were. Neither of them made it through the class.
Duffy, I was just talking to new-argirl the other night saying how I should really start thinkning about some NV. Hmmmmmmmmm. |
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You better not, it only gets worse from then. Once you have a decent NV optic you'll want an IR laser mounted as well. .....In short you will reach a whole new addiction level. You might get more joy out of a class III weapon than 2 gen 3 NV optics. But Gen 1 optics are decently priced. |
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Wow... That's a beautiful rifle!
You'd make KevinB proud with your parts choice |
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LMT complete lower KAC 2 stage trigger Magpul M93B w/ sling point Specter MOUT sling Magpul MIAD CMT upper CMT bolt LMT enhanced carrier KAC 600m BUIS PRI Gas Buster Schmidt & Bender Short Dot LaRue SPR 1.5 mount Noveske 16" stainless barrel KAC URX II in dark earth KAC flip up front site/gas block KAC dark earth pannels KAC flash hider Old LaBele Black Teflon mags (whose currently making something similar?) Ranger plates Where did you score a KAC 2 stage trigger? Been hunting for one of those for a while now! |
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Wow is right. That thing is pretty sweet! You've got a lot of hard to find components on there! Is your KAC 2-stage trigger the old style or the new style? If it's the new style, what do you think about it? I know a lot of people prefer the newer style because you don't have to worry about the springs wearing out (potentially changing the pull\weight of the trigger) but for me, I like the old style better as it seems to be a much simpler design with no set screws to worry about. What's your take on it? That scope sounds pretty sweet but if I recall the price correctly, you could afford to buy a Aimpoint and an ACOG with quick detach mounts for both and just switch back and forth for the same money! Your way is much better I'm sure but I'm just being jealous because I can't afford one |
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My KAC trigger must be the old style because its just like the other two I have from a few years ago. I dont notice a difference. Thats also where I got the KAC flip up rear. I was talking to another ARFcom guy where I work about the scope I wanted for the gun one day, and a couple days later, he is at the gun show and calls me up saying a dealer had a display model he was selling, in a LaRue mount for $1800! He picked it up for me and I paid him back. That was a good deal. The LaRue mount was too high for my liking so I got the correct height one from Grant over at G&R Tactical. For those of you looking for one, I was going to get the scope from him too, he had the best price I found while searching online. Most of the other stuff I got from Wes at MSTN, except for the rail and gas block. I have been asked not to say where I got those for fear of people asking for more.
The gun was a lotta money, the scope was a real lotta money. I raided avery extra parts box I had and sold it all trying to raise money for it. I tried to sell it all cheap to get at least some money quick enough. I tried to sell stuff cheap enough to move it quick. I think it worked. Between it and a few items I sold to friends here in Jacksonville, I raised about $2k for the gun in a week. If you hadnt seen the for sale add, you should take a look, it was quite an impressive "garage sale" of stuff. There's a few items left if you want to help out! I wanted to have it done for the class next month. I'm just glad that after I got it together it's running smooth. If I am exceptionally lucky, I will finally have a gun that can out shoot new-argirls MSTN build Lilja barreled RECCE. While my fingers are crossed, Im sure she's probably hexing the gun while I sleep! |
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Beautiful.
When I rebarrel my URX I am going to go the JN barrel route as well. Admittedly my gun was not my creation by itself - but great minds think alike and I can see yours seems to have prefected upon my rendition which was a "upgrade" from another previous batch of MID-URX guns. I really like the Coyote URX - Cheers |
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Righto, but I'm sure NAG will reach the same conclusion I did: after the customization/optimization I could do to an AR (or all of them), there's but one place to go from there: low light
Roughly 1/2 of the 24 hours is low light/night environment, I think we'd be remiss to only cover the other half |
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Good looking rifle Neil... I'll give you $50 for it CASH even...
By the way, whose muzzle device are you running on that? Vortex? |
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From what I understand, the new style KAC triggers use some kind of set screw to adjust pull weight as opposed to the old style were you just used a different spring? If your trigger doesn't have any set screws then you apparently have the old style? I've never had either so I going by what I've read. |
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Beautiful carbine!
So, what are you thoughts on the ShortDot? |
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Night vision would rock, but wow, thats a whole nother world I know nothing about.
I believe all 3 of my KAC triggers are the new style, because all of mine have the screws. However, they also all came with two disonnector springs as well? All I can say is the one I have is just like all the others I have had for the last couple years. I was unaware the short Dot came with different reticles? Mine is a mildot type with the red dot in the center. Yojimbo, I posted a few initial impressions of the short Dot over here in an optics thread... LINKY. I listed the flash suppressor in the parts line up, its a KAC. I've never had one before and I was trying to keep a KAC theme going on the gun. KAC and Magpul I guess! |
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SWFA lists them with the following reticles (listed in the order their website lists them):
Flash Dot #8 Flash Dot #7 Flash Dot #2 Flash Dot #9 Interestingly SWFA's website shows the entire inner circle illuminated on the #9, but the S&B website shows as above. |
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The S&B website also shows the reticle below, which I guess is the one that NAG got
Called the CQB Reticle |
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As far as I am concerned, the CQB reticle is the only one to have (which is what I order). Good looking setup NAG! C4 www.GRTactical.com |
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With the exception of the barrell(Lilja),flash hider and optics that is excatly what I am building. I am in the process of locating a URX right now and I think my journey has come to a glorious ending. Sweet setup and I am looking forward to a range report. I think we are going to have a carbine class here in OK so if your in the area I would love to see that thing shoot.
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Mark, if anything, this rifle should be banned. And you know, if 2 is 1 and 1 is none, well then, 87 is 86, and 86 is 85. So its not as bad as you think. Yeah, I have the CQB reticle. After seeing all the choices, I'd have picked this reticle over all the others anyway. |
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You are mistaken. There has never been a KAC trigger with no set screws. Current versions still have both a 3.5# and 4.5# spring that is swapped for total weight just like the old version. I dont know where you got this bad info but its bad. There was, in fact, an older version with ONE set screw instead of TWO. However there was never a non set screw version. The second set screw allows you to adjust the weight for the first vs second stage a tiny amount of weight and some overtravel but total weight remains close to the same and must be swapped with the two springs as before to get large shifts. It comes with 4.5# installed and I prefer the 3.5# spring installed. This in no way decreases the reliability of the trigger (the second set screw). You want the current version of the trigger IMO. |
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Oh yes and your rifle so incredibly bad ass Neil. You have truly excellent taste.
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Well, as someone already pointed out, my rifle is a pretty close clone of KevinB's Recce. He was the first person I knew to have a URX II. I think his has a Douglass barrel. Other than that, I think they are pretty similar part for part. I didnt try to clone his gun, but by the time I was done, I looked at it and noticed I was biting off his rifle pretty hard! Who can blame us though? The parts just seem a natural choice in my opinion. I was looking through my rifles this evening. I didnt realize how many KAC railed guns I have. Between new-argirl and I we have 7 KAC railed guns. Two M5 RAS's, two rifle length FF RAS's, a RAS II, a MRE and a URX II. |
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FF RAS MRE
RAS RASII RAS M5 RAS for MP5 RAS for HK33 Almost got ya beat No URXII for me but I guess the MRP would have to suffice |
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On KAC stuff
M249 RAS M4 RAS M5 RAS FF RAS (short) FF RAS (medium long) FF RAS (long) SR25 FF RAS URXII I had a MRP - but I decided to dump it when they stalled on the 6.8 barrels/bolts. I need a MRE and a few more URX's though |
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I think that it goes without say that IT SHOULD BE BANNED FROM CIVILIAN USE! |
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Sweet setup NAG.
With all this KAC stuff floating around, who has a rifle length FF that they want to sell me???? Please! |
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Ask and you shall receive - IM sent. |
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