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Posted: 9/10/2003 10:43:15 AM EDT
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RROC never really proven itself. the upper never worked properly as far as reliability. the system is a piece together setup from SKS and M14 gas system and Davies never had a sucessful demo as far as I know.
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Posted: 9/10/2003 10:51:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: RROC never really proven itself. the upper never worked properly as far as reliability. the system is a piece together setup from SKS and M14 gas system and Davies never had a sucessful demo as far as I know. Don't believe everything you read. I don't believe everything I read, but it was intriguing and I was looking for more sources on it. Do you know what was causing the unreliable function? Was it the new gas-piston system or all that extra recoil-reducing crap (carrier counter weights, recoil buffers) that was causing the problems? |
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Posted: 9/10/2003 10:58:35 AM EDT
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It was the system. at an Army test, the gun blow up. at least this is what i heard from a first hand source. none of the military branches nor the Federal level LE agancy are very impressed with the RROC.
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Posted: 9/10/2003 12:21:09 PM EDT
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Thank you for the responses and information SMGLee. Do you (or anyone else) happen to know of any systems that incorporate a gas piston system into the AR-15 that do work?
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Posted: 9/10/2003 12:23:58 PM EDT
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ZM weapon is the only one I know so far,
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Posted: 9/10/2003 1:25:06 PM EDT
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I thought the ZM Weapons still blew gas down a tube except it's attached to the bolt carrier? From what I understand it still blows gas all around inside the upper, just less than a stock AR-15. Is this correct?
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Posted: 9/10/2003 3:40:50 PM EDT
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Well if you like the look of the RROC, we all know where you can get the rail system and it will be $150.00 less than a sir!
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Posted: 9/10/2003 4:26:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: Well if you like the look of the RROC, we all know where you can get the rail system and it will be $150.00 less than a sir! I have not seen any pictures of it. What rail system does it use? |
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Posted: 9/10/2003 8:33:59 PM EDT
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The handguard system is the "Predator" If you do a search you will see pictures of the handguards, but unless you are going to attempt to build one yourself, I think the top rail is too high, we are all waiting for the test results to come back anytime.
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Posted: 9/10/2003 9:32:41 PM EDT
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Quoted: Do you (or anyone else) happen to know of any systems that incorporate a gas piston system into the AR-15 that do work? [img]http://www.gungrabber.com/DSC00046.JPG[/img] |
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Posted: 9/10/2003 9:39:55 PM EDT
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Hey, is that made in Taiwan?? I for got the type number but that is a piece of crap but very collectible.
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Posted: 9/10/2003 9:50:06 PM EDT
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Type 65
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Posted: 9/10/2003 10:03:15 PM EDT
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I thought you were Italian?? how the hell do you know what my motherland carrys?? are you a spy?? [:D]
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Posted: 9/11/2003 12:24:25 AM EDT
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So the Type 65 uses a gas piston system? How reliable is the rifle compared to the AR-15?
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Posted: 9/11/2003 12:40:26 AM EDT
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Quoted: I thought you were Italian?? how the hell do you know what my motherland carrys?? are you a spy?? [:D] No, I just have entirely too much time on my hands... |
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Posted: 9/11/2003 3:57:26 PM EDT
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TopCrest has a few thousand rounds through his current generation Gas Piston prototype upper without a problem. Looks like a good yet simple design this time, and he's possibly going into production with it in the future.
Tell him I sent you, his email is [email protected] |
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Posted: 9/11/2003 4:01:39 PM EDT
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Anyone who has (or had) DeNiro/Taxi Driver for an avatar is not a spy.
* [img]http://www.gungrabber.com/DSC00048.JPG[/img] PS- When's the next Hooter's meeting of the SoCal Airsofters? |
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Posted: 9/11/2003 4:16:36 PM EDT
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Y'all forgot the OA97 or something, it hit every branch on the ugly tree but it too uses a piston gas system.
ZM uses the gas piston, and gas still gets blown on the bolt itself. |
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Posted: 9/11/2003 5:22:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: Y'all forgot the OA97 or something, it hit every branch on the ugly tree but it too uses a piston gas system. ZM uses the gas piston, and gas still gets blown on the bolt itself. I think it's the OA-93. Not only does it look ugly, the rod doesn't look very well protected. ZM still uses a direct gas inpingement systems as far as I can tell. It's just that the gas tube is actually connected to the bolt carrier. A true gas piston system will not blow gas into the receiver, a rod will work the action. |
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Posted: 9/11/2003 5:23:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: TopCrest has a few thousand rounds through his current generation Gas Piston prototype upper without a problem. Looks like a good yet simple design this time, and he's possibly going into production with it in the future. Tell him I sent you, his email is [email protected] Has anyone else had experience with this upper? |
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Posted: 9/11/2003 5:26:01 PM EDT
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You're right, it's not gas piston, ZM just uses a modified gas system but same principle.
[img]www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid46/pb3d94051c8aa31b70e54ef1ee32a4cce/fccd23d9.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 9/11/2003 5:59:37 PM EDT
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Does it still blow gas into the bolt carrier?
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Posted: 9/11/2003 6:58:23 PM EDT
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Yes it does. The bolt is interchangeable with that of a standard AR15, though the charging handle and bolt are not.
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Posted: 9/11/2003 7:08:56 PM EDT
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What's the point of it then? Does it still get dirty gases all over the upper? Does it stay in the bolt?
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Posted: 9/11/2003 7:18:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: Anyone who has (or had) DeNiro/Taxi Driver for an avatar is not a spy. <----- Bickle is back, and this time he's packing [;)] |
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Posted: 9/11/2003 7:55:23 PM EDT
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Well for one thing it allows a real folding stock, not a telescoping one. Seems pretty trivial to me, can't really shoot worth a damn with the stock folded unless you shoot like the SAS does their MP5 with arms fully extended. It's great when stowed or carried thus folded, it's very short.
A folded ZM with a 14.5" barrel + flash hider is shorter than a retracted 11.5" barrel AR. [img]www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid43/p5f2252cf3bf329890a6cd5007a16fb98/fce91855.jpg[/img] |
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