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Posted: 1/27/2022 6:04:59 PM EDT
[#1]
 Sorry, couldn’t resist. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 9:06:46 PM EDT
[#2]
Paint the hole
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Posted: 1/27/2022 9:09:31 PM EDT
[#3]
My CMMG ambi is rather weak and quiet. Perhaps shape an extra detent and trim a spring first.
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Posted: 1/27/2022 10:57:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My CMMG ambi is rather weak and quiet. Perhaps shape an extra detent and trim a spring first. I’ve tried several different modifications. I can get it quiet, but it’s also unsafe. I can’t get quiet and properly functioning at the same time. Seems like with the thousands of different modifications out there for AR’s something like this would already exist. My googlefoo found nothing. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 11:06:27 PM EDT
[#5]
I've heard that the Elftmann push button safety is pretty quiet.
Never tried one. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 11:33:02 PM EDT
[#6]
The selector goes "click" a half second before the gun goes "bang." Is this really that much of a problem? It's not like the movies.
At least that's how I was taught; maybe things are different now. |
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Posted: 1/27/2022 11:39:09 PM EDT
[#7]
If you flip it slowly it doesn't make a sound but I'm also hard of hearing
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Posted: 1/27/2022 11:43:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you flip it slowly it doesn't make a sound but I'm also hard of hearing This has been my experience. Turn it slow and ride it hard with the thumb, it doesn't make a click. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 2:44:46 AM EDT
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Have you tried that when it’s 20 degrees and your wearing gloves? Not so easy.
As for the safety off two seconds before the trigger pull, this is hunting not fighting. My safety goes off when I see the animal I plan to shoot. That’s not usually two seconds before my shot. If you move that quick, the deer are faster, they will disappear, unless you want to shoot at a moving target. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 3:51:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you tried that when it’s 20 degrees and your wearing gloves? Not so easy. As for the safety off two seconds before the trigger pull, this is hunting not fighting. My safety goes off when I see the animal I plan to shoot. That’s not usually two seconds before my shot. If you move that quick, the deer are faster, they will disappear, unless you want to shoot at a moving target. I live in Michigan, so yes, I have manipulated the safety in cold temperatures. And from what I'm seeing here, you feel that you have a novel idea, but haven't been able to make it work, so you want a manufacturer to finish the research, design, and manufacturing of said idea and then give you one; which you also feel will sell "very well." I can tell you, it's not something I would look for or likely purchase. Would someone buy it? Sure. But I don't know about "sell very well." |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 4:05:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you tried that when it’s 20 degrees and your wearing gloves? Not so easy. One of these might be easier to manipulate. Little dab of grease in the detent channel should help too. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 4:24:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of these might be easier to manipulate. Little dab of grease in the detent channel should help too. The RRA "Star" safety is the ticket for what he's trying to do. Plus round off the tip of the detent a little, and some grease in the channel. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 6:26:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The RRA "Star" safety is the ticket for what he's trying to do. Plus round off the tip of the detent a little, and some grease in the channel. My favorite selector for glove use. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 7:14:44 AM EDT
[#14]
I have killed alot of deer with an AR and this is a problem that I have never encountered...
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Posted: 1/28/2022 7:46:33 AM EDT
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It seems like the safeties on most older Colts I've handled (especially the Match Target guns) were really smooth with no audible or tactile clicks.
Im not sure what the difference was but assumed they were cast with shallower/less abrupt detent notches. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 8:48:55 AM EDT
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I have rounded off the tip of the detent. Also deepened and widened the track on the selector for the detent to ride in. Neither were very effective. I tore up three selectors experimenting with a deemed. I know I can get the standard selector to be quiet. It’s just not made to be and it’s difficult to manipulate that way when it’s cold out.
For all the research so many AR companies put into products that don’t do much, I would think one would do something like this. Hey if I can’t get one for free, I’ll buy it. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 9:38:08 AM EDT
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hey go for it, probably make a million dollars, after all people buy short throw safeties and they're useless too
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Posted: 1/28/2022 9:38:15 AM EDT
[#18]
I got an idea
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Posted: 1/28/2022 10:01:28 AM EDT
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I want a gun that makes that noise from movies every time they pull out a gun. It's not quite a racking noise but it sounds pretty cool to get the point across when a gun is being raised.
But seriously I've never had a problem with a loud safety switch even in the cold. I actually would prefer a more positive audible click but then again I have never had to be super quiet like some hunting guys have. Well broken in, oil, and slowly activate would probably help. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 10:28:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you tried that when it’s 20 degrees and your wearing gloves? Not so easy. As for the safety off two seconds before the trigger pull, this is hunting not fighting. My safety goes off when I see the animal I plan to shoot. That’s not usually two seconds before my shot. If you move that quick, the deer are faster, they will disappear, unless you want to shoot at a moving target. I find it's muffled and even quieter when I do it with gloves on. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:41:04 AM EDT
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Have you tried using a dremel with a cut off wheel and making a short angled trough towards the detent hole? The angle starts off shallow, then goes deeper towards the hole to not give an abrupt drop which is where the click is heard, but a nice easy slide into the detent hole. The sides of the trough would also need to be angled slightly to match the angle of the detent pin also to work correctly.
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Posted: 1/28/2022 3:20:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/28/2022 4:19:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My favorite selector for glove use. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The RRA "Star" safety is the ticket for what he's trying to do. Plus round off the tip of the detent a little, and some grease in the channel. My favorite selector for glove use.  Attached FileThe image on RRA's website isn't very descriptive, maybe this will give you a better idea of what they are. They work well with gloves, and in the context of quiet activation, easily allow you to move the selector deliberately and slowly through the range of motion. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 4:21:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The selector goes "click" a half second before the gun goes "bang." Is this really that much of a problem? It's not like the movies. At least that's how I was taught; maybe things are different now. With a deer under you, absolutely... |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 6:12:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58237/RRAStarSafety_JPG-2257755.JPG The image on RRA's website isn't very descriptive, maybe this will give you a better idea of what they are. They work well with gloves, and in the context of quiet activation, easily allow you to move the selector deliberately and slowly through the range of motion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The RRA "Star" safety is the ticket for what he's trying to do. Plus round off the tip of the detent a little, and some grease in the channel. My favorite selector for glove use. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58237/RRAStarSafety_JPG-2257755.JPG The image on RRA's website isn't very descriptive, maybe this will give you a better idea of what they are. They work well with gloves, and in the context of quiet activation, easily allow you to move the selector deliberately and slowly through the range of motion. They are my preferred selector and on most of my builds. Actually waiting on a few more currently. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 10:29:23 PM EDT
[#26]
This is a GD thread. Mods, c'mon!
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Posted: 1/28/2022 10:54:53 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've heard that the Elftmann push button safety is pretty quiet. Never tried one. It is very quiet. A coworker has one in one of his AR's. Muscle memory just makes me prefer what I've known for a long time. |
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Posted: 1/28/2022 11:07:44 PM EDT
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I've found that deer under my stand still won't hear a selector.
As far as selectors go, I've found that the new ones don't have the same detent channels as the older ones, and they're not near as smooth as they used to be. Milspec parts seem to work best. |
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Posted: 1/29/2022 3:49:52 PM EDT
[#29]
my selector is Hollywood quiet
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Posted: 1/30/2022 11:08:54 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: my selector is Hollywood quiet Mine too, that’s the problem. |
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Posted: 1/30/2022 11:38:07 AM EDT
[#31]
Both the Vism thumbhole stock and the KP-15 lower allow you to adjust spring tension on the safety.
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Posted: 1/31/2022 1:54:01 AM EDT
[#32]
But how are you going to make sure your bcg is locked forward without having to move your hand off the grip to engage the forward assist?
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Posted: 1/31/2022 2:02:06 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I live in Michigan, so yes, I have manipulated the safety in cold temperatures. And from what I'm seeing here, you feel that you have a novel idea, but haven't been able to make it work, so you want a manufacturer to finish the research, design, and manufacturing of said idea and then give you one; which you also feel will sell "very well." I can tell you, it's not something I would look for or likely purchase. Would someone buy it? Sure. But I don't know about "sell very well." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Have you tried that when it’s 20 degrees and your wearing gloves? Not so easy. As for the safety off two seconds before the trigger pull, this is hunting not fighting. My safety goes off when I see the animal I plan to shoot. That’s not usually two seconds before my shot. If you move that quick, the deer are faster, they will disappear, unless you want to shoot at a moving target. I live in Michigan, so yes, I have manipulated the safety in cold temperatures. And from what I'm seeing here, you feel that you have a novel idea, but haven't been able to make it work, so you want a manufacturer to finish the research, design, and manufacturing of said idea and then give you one; which you also feel will sell "very well." I can tell you, it's not something I would look for or likely purchase. Would someone buy it? Sure. But I don't know about "sell very well." I want a free one too since I went through the effort of commenting in this thread (same amount of effort OP put in) |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 7:46:14 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Both the Vism thumbhole stock and the KP-15 lower allow you to adjust spring tension on the safety. Clip a coil off the spring for the same effect. Another option maybe to flip the detent upside down and put a small ball bearing in ontop of the detent so it's: Ball bearing Upside down detent Spring Grip |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 4:26:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want a free one too since I went through the effort of commenting in this thread (same amount of effort OP put in) Not really, I thought of it and have tried several different methods. But keep up the jackassery, I’m sure it’ll serve you well some day. |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 5:56:40 PM EDT
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Pro-Tip: disassemble your safety selector system, clean thoroughly and de-grease.
Re-assemble using heavy amounts of barrel nut moly grease, then remove all excess grease as much as you can inside and out. When in use, move selector slowly. Problem solved. |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 6:57:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pro-Tip: disassemble your safety selector system, clean thoroughly and de-grease. Re-assemble using heavy amounts of barrel nut moly grease, then remove all excess grease as much as you can inside and out. When in use, move selector slowly. Problem solved. I’ll give that a try. Thank you |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 7:15:58 PM EDT
[#38]
Meh worked just fine for MACV SOG guys on the ambush line smoking NVA - probably OK for shooting Bambi?
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Posted: 1/31/2022 9:56:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll give that a try. Thank you And by system, i mean disassemble the entire thing including the grip, detent, and spring as well as the selector lever itself. Everything on the inside including the holes inside the lower receiver get moly grease. Including the spring hole in the grip. But not the rest if the grip. Pack grease into every hole and the channels of the selector. Reassemble and don't worry about the grease extruding from the joints as you do so Treat it as if you were greasing the bearings of a car. |
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Posted: 2/1/2022 2:03:40 AM EDT
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I may be going about this all wrong, but I just run a drill bit down into the selector detent spring hole in the grip about a half-millimeter deeper, to take some of the spring pressure off the detent. If I get it right, the selector is silent on a slow movement, without being unsafe; if i get it too deep, I can drop a BB or ball bearing into the hole to bring the force back.
HTH 
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Posted: 2/1/2022 2:29:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I may be going about this all wrong, but I just run a drill bit down into the selector detent spring hole in the grip about a half-millimeter deeper, to take some of the spring pressure off the detent. If I get it right, the selector is silent on a slow movement, without being unsafe; if i get it too deep, I can drop a BB or ball bearing into the hole to bring the force back. HTH Not recommended. Granted, you've made yourself an out by only drilling far enough that the addition of a ball bearing alleviates the issue, but overall, modification if milspec to non milspec is not a good idea. A great deal of engineering went into figuring out every specification and dimension to obtain optimal performance of every part and account for spring compression, so those are what i consider "critical dimensions" and are not to be modified. From an armorers and current DoD Ordnance Engineering Technicians point of view. Just sayin'. ?? |
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Posted: 2/1/2022 8:37:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not recommended. Granted, you've made yourself an out by only drilling far enough that the addition of a ball bearing alleviates the issue, but overall, modification if milspec to non milspec is not a good idea. A great deal of engineering went into figuring out every specification and dimension to obtain optimal performance of every part and account for spring compression, so those are what i consider "critical dimensions" and are not to be modified. From an armorers and current DoD Ordnance Engineering Technicians point of view. Just sayin'. ?? Eh, that dimension was engineered 60 years ago and can stand to be experimented w/. My concern would be how much plastic is beneath the blind hole and will that ball bearing suddenly fall out w/ the safety detent spring one day? I'm one to talk, I use a grub screw to set the tension.
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