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Posted: 12/14/2020 6:10:16 PM EDT
https://vimeo.com/486478480
I don't want my dogs shot but this does look fun  Somebody PLEASE convince me to not buy one. |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 2:26:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: imdBman]
[#1]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j3_: Honestly I would not pay that much for any kind of trigger anywhere I'm to cheap for that.  My Feelings Too! I have used full auto and burst many times. I only saw the value with a 200 round box of belt fed loaded into an LMG. With a carbine and a 30 round mag I was better off shooting once or twice and hitting something than shooting 5-10 shots and maybe getting a hit or 2. That's been my experience FWIW.
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Posted: 12/20/2020 8:27:21 PM EDT
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It’s pretty amazing huh?!
I helped develop this trigger. It’s been a secret for a while but I spent 3 or 4 months refining it and making it awesome. I shot mine last night, I love it. I was running a 40rd pmag with a plus 10 extension so 50rds total, I can empty a mag in 2.5-2.6 seconds? |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 9:05:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By badazzar15: It’s pretty amazing huh?! I helped develop this trigger. It’s been a secret for a while but I spent 3 or 4 months refining it and making it awesome. I shot mine last night, I love it. I was running a 40rd pmag with a plus 10 extension so 50rds total, I can empty a mag in 2.5-2.6 seconds? It's cool, but it says it's 5 lbs and it's clocking at under 2.5 lbs. |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 9:11:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By badazzar15: It’s pretty amazing huh?! I helped develop this trigger. It’s been a secret for a while but I spent 3 or 4 months refining it and making it awesome. I shot mine last night, I love it. I was running a 40rd pmag with a plus 10 extension so 50rds total, I can empty a mag in 2.5-2.6 seconds? Why is an H3 buffer required? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/20/2020 9:17:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ahrion: It's cool, but it says it's 5 lbs and it's clocking at under 2.5 lbs. I’ll have to double check that.. Thanks for the heads up. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/20/2020 9:18:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: badazzar15]
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strangejames: Why is an H3 buffer required? To prevent bolt bounce, but in most cases an H or H2 will also be fine. Just depends on the gun. ETA: I run an H2 weight buffer in my gun. |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 9:48:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 135Patriots: If i'm understanding this correctly, consistent rearward pressure will result in...rapid, but semi-automatic fire. IE each pull of the trigger releases a single round, but the reset happens forcefully, rather than by the shooter intentionally releasing rearward pressure. This is really cool. I don't see it ending well and it would make me nervous as hell to own one, but it's badass. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/20/2020 10:44:42 PM EDT
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Here’s a few videos of it in action.
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Posted: 12/20/2020 11:04:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By badazzar15: It’s pretty amazing huh?! I helped develop this trigger. It’s been a secret for a while but I spent 3 or 4 months refining it and making it awesome. I shot mine last night, I love it. I was running a 40rd pmag with a plus 10 extension so 50rds total, I can empty a mag in 2.5-2.6 seconds? Can you convince them to change the name to something other than "Rare Breed" and tell them to put in a more conventional looking trigger  ?
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/20/2020 11:13:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNRidesHonda: Can you convince them to change the name to something other than "Rare Breed" and tell them to put in a more conventional looking trigger ?To late for name changing lol There are plans for many future designs. Different calibers for the AR, and packs for different platforms all together. And different style packs for different needs, like something along the lines of a match trigger. There has also been talk about different trigger styles, like flat vs curved. For now the plan was to get this one launched. :-) |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 12/20/2020 11:24:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: waynelte]
[#11]
man i really want 1 but no way do i want to buy one from their website. When the ATF finds out about these, they will get that customer list and go scoop them up.
correction, i want 3 of them. |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 11:32:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waynelte: man i really want 1 but no way do i want to buy one from their website. When the ATF finds out about these, they will get that customer list and go scoop them up. correction, i want 3 of them. Prepaid visa and ship to a neighbor, vacant address or a PO Box. You laugh but guys are doing that. |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 11:55:31 PM EDT
[#13]
It would be nice if they were to commit to purging purchase records after, say, 30 days. You would prolly increase sales by 10X overnight.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/20/2020 11:56:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SR712: It would be nice if they were to commit to purging purchase records after, say, 30 days. You would prolly increase sales by 10X overnight. I can mention that idea. |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 12:04:50 AM EDT
[#15]
Op, How many hours do you have to work to net $400?
You feel happy about the prospect of atf confiscating it from you? |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 12:07:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By badazzar15: I can mention that idea. IM me if they do, I want to be first in line. I would think that if they instigated this from the beginning as part of their "normal" business model, then trying to establish "avoidance" of any kind by any agency, would be tougher. Just a thought. Buyers would have to agree that warranty work would be almost unverifiable. Maybe a 4096 bit key sent to and held by the buyer? |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 12:07:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By badazzar15: Prepaid visa and ship to a neighbor, vacant address or a PO Box. You laugh but guys are doing that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By badazzar15: Originally Posted By waynelte: man i really want 1 but no way do i want to buy one from their website. When the ATF finds out about these, they will get that customer list and go scoop them up. correction, i want 3 of them. Prepaid visa and ship to a neighbor, vacant address or a PO Box. You laugh but guys are doing that. Haha, ordered one yesterday, shipping to my house. I don't have any dogs right now so meh.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2020 12:11:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tommyrich: Haha, ordered one yesterday, shipping to my house. I don't have any dogs right now so meh. Nice haha |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 12:16:43 AM EDT
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KS, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2020 12:20:12 AM EDT
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so are these 2 position safe/semi or 3 position safe/semi/forced reset?
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Posted: 12/21/2020 12:20:56 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By badazzar15: Here’s a few videos of it in action.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlS2EHZoXU8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH3oa41_5dQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzISvvnMZFEOh damn it works well. 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2020 12:22:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waynelte: so are these 2 position safe/semi or 3 position safe/semi/forced reset? No only 2 position, safe and semi. |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 12:24:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By badazzar15: Here’s a few videos of it in action. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlS2EHZoXU8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH3oa41_5dQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzISvvnMZFEOh yea that works better than the bumpstock. Going to be banned in 3..2..1
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2020 12:26:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Commando223: Oh damn it works well. Yes it does.. I helped develop it, I spent like 3 or 4 months dialing it in and making it work! For the first couple months I hated the thing, it was pissing me off, but I got it figured out. |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 12:34:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Oh yea that works better than the bumpstock. Going to be banned in 3..2..1 Yeah there’s no comparison |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2020 12:38:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: waynelte]
[#26]
will there be an effort to get this in the hands of any youtube reviewers? several 60rd magpul drum dumps? maybe 100 round dual drum dump?
The videos seem to focus on mag dumps and several bursts. How are single round shots? Does that take practice to pop off because things are moving so fast? |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 12:48:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: badazzar15]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waynelte: will there be an effort to get this in the hands of any youtube reviewers? several 60rd magpul drum dumps? maybe 100 round dual drum dump? The videos seem to focus on mag dumps and several bursts. How are single round shots? Does that take practice to pop off because things are moving so fast? Lots of people got them, there are sure to be videos coming out soon. I got rid of my beta drums years ago but I think we have some at the shop still. I have the XProducts Lightweight 50rd drum and 40rd pmags with plus 10 extensions for 50rds total. Haven’t got a D60 yet but I need one.. ETA: I need a FightLite belt fed upper, now that would be awesome.. |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 12:53:08 AM EDT
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Man I wish I could have one if this f$cking state. Would love to see a trigger built for the M249s.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2020 12:59:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Man I wish I could have one if this f$cking state. Would love to see a trigger built for the M249s. An M249 trigger would be awesome but I’m afraid there may not be enough of them around to justify making one. I know there’s talk of an AK version and a 10/22, as well as others. I need a FightLite belt fed upper! lol |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 1:22:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By badazzar15: An M249 trigger would be awesome but I’m afraid there may not be enough of them around to justify making one. I know there’s talk of an AK version and a 10/22, as well as others. I need a FightLite belt fed upper! lol Heh! It may be a little wimpy for this forum, but I'd love to see a 10/22 version of this! |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 6:50:59 PM EDT
[#31]
A few things after taking my buddy's RBT. First, it works. Second, you can't be holding the trigger tight or it won't reset. There's a "sweet spot", albeit, it takes about 2 seconds to figure out that sweet spot.
Tested was a Omni Robusta magnetic competition buffer and a Taccom 3 stage buffer with a Strike Industries flat wire recoil spring. 14.5 pin/weld middy with a Superlative Arms piston was tested. |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 6:56:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ahrion: A few things after taking my buddy's RBT. First, it works. Second, you can't be holding the trigger tight or it won't reset. There's a "sweet spot", albeit, it takes about 2 seconds to figure out that sweet spot. Tested was a Omni Robusta magnetic competition buffer and a Taccom 3 stage buffer with a Strike Industries flat wire recoil spring. 14.5 pin/weld middy with a Superlative Arms piston was tested. So if you hold too tightly does it prevent the bolt from reciprocating? |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 7:07:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ahrion]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strangejames: So if you hold too tightly does it prevent the bolt from reciprocating? No. It just keeps the trigger from force resetting. I was wondering why I couldn't get it to fire more than 1-2 shots. Once I took off maybe a lbs or so of pull from my finger, it unloaded an entire mag with ease. |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 7:57:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strangejames: So if you hold too tightly does it prevent the bolt from reciprocating? If you squeeze to hard it can lock the BCG up and keep it from cycling. |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 7:58:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ahrion: A few things after taking my buddy's RBT. First, it works. Second, you can't be holding the trigger tight or it won't reset. There's a "sweet spot", albeit, it takes about 2 seconds to figure out that sweet spot. Tested was a Omni Robusta magnetic competition buffer and a Taccom 3 stage buffer with a Strike Industries flat wire recoil spring. 14.5 pin/weld middy with a Superlative Arms piston was tested. Yeah just squeeze, moderate pressure. Definitely quick to figure out. |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 8:33:57 PM EDT
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I did notice on the force reset mechanism in the back where the rear of the carrier interfaces with, it looks like the carrier is eating this part. Not sure if this is normal break in, but it's definitely noticeable.
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Posted: 12/21/2020 8:46:03 PM EDT
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@badazzar15
Would it work in a 7.62x39 ar ? |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 8:48:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ct1: @badazzar15 Would it work in a 7.62x39 ar ? Yes it should work fine. |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 9:13:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Frankmurphy22]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By badazzar15: An M249 trigger would be awesome but I’m afraid there may not be enough of them around to justify making one. I know there’s talk of an AK version and a 10/22, as well as others. I need a FightLite belt fed upper! lol m249 owner checking in. would definitely buy one. hell, id buy a second m249 just for another trigger. i saw the question asked, but can one drive up to their location and purchase with cash? definitely not ordering this online, but i would buy more than a handful face to face with cash. eta: according to google maps, the building looks like a shady slip and fall lawyer type place with no sign of being a gun parts maker. seems sketchy. |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 10:01:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frankmurphy22: m249 owner checking in. would definitely buy one. hell, id buy a second m249 just for another trigger. i saw the question asked, but can one drive up to their location and purchase with cash? definitely not ordering this online, but i would buy more than a handful face to face with cash. eta: according to google maps, the building looks like a shady slip and fall lawyer type place with no sign of being a gun parts maker. seems sketchy. I’ll mention an M249 version, what does a semi M249 cost? |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 10:27:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By waynelte: will there be an effort to get this in the hands of any youtube reviewers? several 60rd magpul drum dumps? maybe 100 round dual drum dump? The videos seem to focus on mag dumps and several bursts. How are single round shots? Does that take practice to pop off because things are moving so fast?  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 12/22/2020 4:01:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By badazzar15: I’ll mention an M249 version, what does a semi M249 cost? currently, between 10k if you find a deal to 18k for new in the box fde para versions. sold gunbroker prices. |
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Posted: 12/22/2020 9:45:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frankmurphy22: currently, between 10k if you find a deal to 18k for new in the box fde para versions. sold gunbroker prices. I’m not sure I want one anymore lol |
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Posted: 12/22/2020 12:05:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ahrion: I did notice on the force reset mechanism in the back where the rear of the carrier interfaces with, it looks like the carrier is eating this part. Not sure if this is normal break in, but it's definitely noticeable. Any pics of the wear? |
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Posted: 12/22/2020 1:58:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By j3_: Honestly I would not pay that much for any kind of trigger anywhere I'm to cheap for that. Your so cheap you left one o out of TOO. 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2020 2:07:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JDodd: Any pics of the wear? It’s normal |
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Posted: 12/22/2020 2:20:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ahrion]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JDodd: Any pics of the wear? After $100ish rounds. It's hard to tell, but it looks like pretty normal wear on the hammer. On the back piece it looks like the rear of the carrier is eating into that rear interfacing piece, moreso on the left side than the right. It's leaving quite an "imprint". You can barely tell from the pic, but it looks like the metal is indenting. Hammer does show slight indentation as well. Not sure what the metalwork term for this is though. The grease had to be displaced in order to get decent pics.  
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Posted: 12/22/2020 3:50:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ahrion: After $100ish rounds. It's hard to tell, but it looks like pretty normal wear on the hammer. On the back piece it looks like the rear of the carrier is eating into that rear interfacing piece, moreso on the left side than the right. It's leaving quite an "imprint". You can barely tell from the pic, but it looks like the metal is indenting. Hammer does show slight indentation as well. Not sure what the metalwork term for this is though. The grease had to be displaced in order to get decent pics. https://i.ibb.co/3z8zP1Q/IMG-20201222-111717.jpg https://i.ibb.co/d4H9g6B/IMG-20201222-111738.jpg The face of the hammer looks normal but the back of that other piece doesn’t at all. What M16 carrier are you running? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 12/22/2020 4:15:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNRidesHonda: The face of the hammer looks normal but the back of that other piece doesn’t at all. What M16 carrier are you running? It’s normal, the wear doesn’t get any worse than that really. The locking bar is square but the carrier has a radius, that is why the corners get chewed up. I tried radius’d locking bars, performance wise this worked the best. |
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Posted: 12/22/2020 4:28:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ahrion]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNRidesHonda: The face of the hammer looks normal but the back of that other piece doesn’t at all. What M16 carrier are you running? The chewing honestly seems like it will subside, if it hasn't already. It reminds me of bolt lug break in I've seen in some ARs where the lugs shear a bit on the radiuses. In this case, it looks like it is just making contact with the rear of the carrier. Since tolerances are varied accross many different manufacturers, I assume this seems somewhat normal. I think it's a Superlative Arms piston m16 carrier w/ionbond finish. |
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