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Posted: 11/24/2018 9:49:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ARogueNinja]
This thread will be dedicated to builds and discussions of the FBI clones and thanks to Geissele for listening to the masses and releasing the much coveted rail. Parts lists will be updated as we go. Please keep it on topic and post pictures of your builds and "in the wild" photos.
     Barrel: Colt 11.5" barrels & others since there was already a mix of stuff out there between the different offices, prior to the upgrade starting. Lower: Colt/ some older DOJ contract RRA lowers, among others. Grip: ERGO/ Hogue/ A2 Upper: Most of the uppers appear to be Colt marked. Rail: Troy and Geissele, seems like the main colors for the MK4 rail are Black and OD, unsure of the others. Flash hider: A2 flashhiders/ Surefire/ KAC NT4 Optics: Aimpoint H1/T1s & H2/T2s are approved, along with the Daniel Defense mounts. The Sig Romeo4 red dot was also approved and is being used by some other federal agencies too. Spuhr mounts for Aimpoints for HRT guns. EOTech EXPS 3 & G33 Magnifier Sights: Troy BUIS/ Magpul MBUS Laser: L3 AN/ PEQ 15 Stock: CTRs Sling: VTAC 2 points/ Magpul MS Light: WMLs/ Surefire Scout More info here: Industry Thread Originally Posted By mbpike: Originally Posted By GS5414: Alright homies. I'm going to drop some knowledge, and then ghost. Folks generally got a handle on the right parts. Right now, the FBI has stopped throwing out their T2s/Spuhr mounts because folks are starting to regret replacing them with the ROMEO RDS. Things aren't holding up to abuse and long life. Who knew. You'll see the Aimpoint make a comeback. Also, nobody in this thread has the right gas block. Geissele gas blocks are used on the FBI guns, but they are port restricted gas blocks, as in the ports aren't drilled all the way out. We used them in the USMC for some of the souped up M4s, at both 0.072" restricted for 14.5" guns (a bit too small), and 0.068" restricted for 10.3" guns. The FBI uses 0.067" restricted blocks. I think I have one of them stashed away that I never managed to use - might take a photo of it if I can find it. They do a good job keeping gas port erosion from affecting function of the guns as the barrels burn out. Keeps carrier speeds lower, recoil is a bit softer. They are not sold commercially, or even talked about for that matter. If you want the same function, take a G block and thread it for a BRT Micro Tune 0.067" port insert. I'm out. S/F Lets get this added to the OP. Originally Posted By elucidate: Not a clone. Large regional SWAT. Skinny commando barrel. Originally Posted By elucidate: Indeed. When I said 'not a clone' by that I meant it's a picture of a real upper, sat on a desk in a large regional FBI training facility, not something I made at home. Originally Posted By 3ACR_Scout: Originally Posted By AZgunner: I haven't decided if I'm doing the clone correct green rail, or if I'll do the same setup but in all black. It depends on where I'm at in a few months. If I need to give my current rifle back and use the FBI clone on duty, I need to do it in black, as only all black color schemes are currently authorized. A black rifle can be completely clone correct, it would just represent a regular agent's rifle, not HRT or Regional SWAT. This thread started as a result of the interest in the green Geissele Mk4 handguards that showed up on Regional SWAT rifles, but all four Geissele colors are in use by the FBI. People are just (understandably) a bit fixated on the green ones because they look great. That's led to what a lot of people are doing, which is combining the features of the HRT and SWAT rifles into a mixed clone (SWAT green handguard and CTR stock, HRT heavy barrel, and Spuhr HRT Aimpoint mount). I think it would be great if @ARogueNinja could update the original post to reflect the four FBI variants that are out there (these details are incomplete and could be a little off): HRT: DDC Mk4 handguard, 11.5" Colt HRT heavy barrel, Aimpoint T-2 on Spuhr mount (not sure about the stock), black or FDE(?) CTR or Colt stock Regional SWAT: OD Green Mk4 handguard, 11.5" Colt LE6933 government profile barrel, Aimpoint T-2 on Daniel Defense mount, OD green CTR or Colt stock Vehicle Teams: Grey Mk4 handguard, 11.5" Colt LE6933 government profile barrel, Sig Romeo, FAB Defense PTK AFG, Maxim Defense collapsible stock https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1182/green___grey_M4_carbines_jpg-1584398.JPG Field Agent: Black Mk4 handguard, 11.5" Colt LE6933 government profile barrel, Aimpoint T-2 on Daniel Defense mount or Sig Romeo, black CTR or Colt stock I think this is a grey Mk4 issued to hrt4me but is (I believe) representative of the standard agent rifle configuration. I don't recall seeing any photos in this thread of a regular agent's carbine: https://i.imgur.com/A6UVttH.jpg |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2018 9:52:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JK12]
[#1]
Awesome looking. Just the inspiration I needed.
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Posted: 11/24/2018 9:55:04 AM EDT
[#2]
That looks pretty cool OP.
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Posted: 11/24/2018 11:08:20 AM EDT
[#3]
Must not clone...must not clone...must not...www.geiss...
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Posted: 11/24/2018 11:24:38 AM EDT
[#4]
FINALLY. Thank you!
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Posted: 11/24/2018 11:27:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2apatriot]
[#5]
OPFNI.
 Thats a sweet rifle.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2018 12:03:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AKSU]
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KY, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2018 12:22:02 PM EDT
[#7]
so many people going to disappointed in the next week when all their spuhr mounts show up with out the HRT lettering
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2018 12:44:18 PM EDT
[#8]
Found these pictures of a clone build someone built.
His build list was -Colt cage code upper -colt C marked BCG -colt ch -Geissele MK4 10" Federal (Green) -Colt FBI 11.5 cage code Heavy barrel -Surefire closed tone warcomp -Troy M4 sights 
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Posted: 11/24/2018 12:54:50 PM EDT
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2018 1:33:11 PM EDT
[#10]
People are gonna be disappointed when they realize these rails weren't for HRT and don't even use the Spuhr mounts lol
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Posted: 11/24/2018 1:39:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Harv24]
[#11]
And what is so special about the Spuhr HRT mount?
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Posted: 11/24/2018 1:42:45 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DGredTribe:
People are gonna be disappointed when they realize these rails weren't for HRT and don't even use the Spuhr mounts lol What is this rail used on? @dgredtribe |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2018 1:53:26 PM EDT
[#13]
The MK4 Federal rails were an upgrade for the Bureau's Regional teams, not HRT. Geissele has done custom stuff for HRT in the past but these ain't it.
The Spuhr mounts were specifically for HRT's T2s, along with a DOD unit. The Regional guys are getting DD mounts for their Aimpoints. Many are also getting the Sig red dots. |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 1:54:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
[#14]
If you look closely it appears the Aimpoints on the FBI guns are indeed in slightly diff mounts than that SPUHR mount on the clone. Just not sure what mount they're actually in
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2018 1:58:35 PM EDT
[#15]
@MILSPEC556
They're Daniel Defense mounts. No Surefire muzzle devices either, only A2s. |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 2:00:23 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DGredTribe:
@MILSPEC556 They're Daniel Defense mounts. No Surefire muzzle devices either, only A2s.
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Posted: 11/24/2018 2:05:38 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DGredTribe:
The MK4 Federal rails were an upgrade for the Bureau's Regional teams, not HRT. Geissele has done custom stuff for HRT in the past but these ain't it. The Spuhr mounts were specifically for HRT's T2s, along with a DOD unit. The Regional guys are getting DD mounts for their Aimpoints. Many are also getting the Sig red dots. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2018 2:35:25 PM EDT
[#18]
@wissota4
Outside of their HKs and specifically talking Geissele rails, they had some custom MK3s done. Of which I believe a member on here owned recently. They still have Troy rails on their stuff as well. A lot of the Regional guys also had the Troy rails prior to this upgrade in the last couple of years (I believe many still do currently, among other stuff. Not sure how fast Quantico is swapping everything out). |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 2:43:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wissota4]
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DGredTribe:
@wissota4 Outside of their HKs and specifically talking Geissele rails, they had some custom MK3s done. Of which I believe a member on here owned recently. They still have Troy rails on their stuff as well. A lot of the Regional guys also had the Troy rails prior to this upgrade in the last couple of years (I believe many still do currently, among other stuff. Not sure how fast Quantico is swapping everything out). |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 2:46:42 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wissota4: So if a guy has an 11.5 barrel, mk4 rail, a2 flash hider, colt receivers, what is he building? |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 2:49:31 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Bruh. He's saying this is an FBI clone. Just not an HRT clone. (Regional guys) I wanna know the specific differences. What is going to set apart an hrt clone vs a fbi clone? |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 2:51:10 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wissota4:
Lol. Stop trying to use your common sense. I wanna know the specific differences. What is going to set apart an hrt clone vs a fbi clone? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wissota4:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Bruh. He's saying this is an FBI clone. Just not an HRT clone. (Regional guys) I wanna know the specific differences. What is going to set apart an hrt clone vs a fbi clone? 
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Posted: 11/24/2018 2:54:28 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
A way 1 way trip to the hospital boosh.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2018 2:56:29 PM EDT
[#24]
@wissota4
I'll post up some side by side pics of HRT's Geissele/Troy stuff and the current MK4 railed Regional guns. Gimme like 20min. |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 2:58:14 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DGredTribe:
@wissota4 I'll post up some side by side pics of HRT's Geissele/Troy stuff and the current MK4 railed Regional guns. Gimme like 20min. Hopefully I'm not in the hospital by then
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2018 3:38:11 PM EDT
[#26]
Hopefully you two are still alive
. That's all the pics I could fit into one thing before they all got too small.
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Posted: 11/24/2018 3:51:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ARogueNinja]
[#27]
Can we get a good parts list(s) and I'll add (update as we go) it to the OP.
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Posted: 11/24/2018 4:24:09 PM EDT
[#28]
I thought the green rail was unubtanium.
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Posted: 11/24/2018 4:26:39 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sanman28:
I thought the green rail was unubtanium. |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 4:29:47 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARogueNinja:
Someone wasn't paying attention to Geissele's black Friday sale, black Friday exclusive..... $262.50 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARogueNinja:
Originally Posted By sanman28:
I thought the green rail was unubtanium. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2018 4:46:23 PM EDT
[#31]
Barrel wise I'm not 100% sure if they're all getting the heavy Colt 11.5" barrels. Since there was already a mix of stuff out there between the different offices, prior to the upgrade starting. This is another thing lower wise too, since some dudes have pics of theirs on some older DOJ contract RRA lowers, among others. Most of the uppers appear to be Colt marked though. Seems like the main colors for the MK4 rail are Black and OD, unsure of the others. Only A2 flashhiders have been seen on them too.
Optic wise, I believe the Aimpoint H1/T1s & H2/T2s are approved, along with the Daniel Defense mounts. The Sig Romeo4 red dot was also approved and is being used by some other federal agencies too. Although there was discussion on another forum about which particular version it was, given that it had to be made in the US (I don't believe the commercial ones were, before being discontinued). Troy BUIS were also approved. As for the stocks, CTRs appear to be the approved one. It was mentioned that Quantico asked that the guns be shipped back to them if pistol grips needed to be changed (they prob didn't want guys changing it themselves and losing springs/detents). Smaller things like VTAC 2 points and WMLs were also said to have been shipped out. Unsure if that was only for a particular office or not though. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/24/2018 5:33:19 PM EDT
[#32]
Are they just using standard charging handles? And do all of these in pics have a houge grip?
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2018 5:41:40 PM EDT
[#33]
@bwhited
Standard charging handles. Lots of Ergos and some Hogues. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/24/2018 5:45:46 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DGredTribe:
@bwhited Standard charging handles. Lots of Ergos and some Hogues. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2018 5:51:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DGredTribe]
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Posted: 11/24/2018 5:53:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/24/2018 6:15:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mindfull]
[#37]
@DGredTribe
Thanks for the info and clarification. Do you know how most of the Colt lowers are marked? Property of US Govt M4A1 Carbine |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2018 6:32:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ed_Victory]
[#38]
Optics Planet has the Romeo 4M on sale for $230 before coupon, great option for regional clones. I believe the 4M and 4T were approved.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2018 6:52:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HCM3156]
[#39]
There is no “one” configuration for FBI Guns rifles. There are some general guidelines.
The pistols are rifles are color coded for administrative and logistical reasons. HRT has tan. SWAT had OD green carbines and battlefield green G17s. Regular issue or POW is black /black. The swat G17s have factory minus connectors and some of the SWAT carbines are have Geissele triggers. It varies. Each office has a Firearms and. SWAT budget so there is latitude and variation office to office and team to team. Individual agents on SWAT also have some latitude for personal optics and accessories. At least in some offices. Older carbines , the ones I’ve seen, were RRA with a quad rail, houge pistol grip 11.5” barrel and various EO techs. These and the 10mm MP5s were replaced with a 11”5” Colt Carbine with a Troy Alpha rail, magpul CTR, Hogue Pistol grip and Aimpoint H2/T2 on a DD Mount. The latest version is an 11.5” Colt Carbine with the 10” G rail, ergo pistol grip, CTR and either a Aimpoint T2/H2 on a DD Mount or a SIG Romeo 4M on the Sig mount depending on what is availible. Of course, like any big organization you may see various mixes of all of the above. Troy sights have been standard on all the FF handguard guns. VTAC slings are basic issue but again that is not 100%. The Inforce Gen 2 long gun light is basic issue but you will see various Surefire etc if approved locally. Tan PEQ15s are standard on SWAT guns. I beleive SWAT and HRT can use flip magnifiers with their RDS. Locally I’ve seen some SWAT guys with an extra 14.5 or 16” Troy alpha railed upper and and ACOG. Makes sense if you are doing something in the TX brush country. Mission drives the gear. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2018 7:07:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GHOS7]
[#40]
Damn, I was pretty close.., just needed a mk4 instead of the 8 and a 11.5" instead of 10.3".., among other small details
I can't remember what magazine it was but I recall either a 'SRT' or 'HRT' operators in an informal night vision article using the Troy SOCC rail, or maybe they were complete Troy rifle/Upper assemblies? 
Love this rail btw, just think it was completely overshadowed by MCMR |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2018 7:55:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: OlacAttack]
[#41]
@HCM3156
so something like this FBI Build Lower Receiver: Colt Stock: Magpul CTR Black/ODG Pistol Grip: Hogue Rubber Grip with Finger Grooves Black (no dovetail) Rear Sling Plate: Upper Receiver: Mil-spec forged M4 Barrel: 11.5 Colt heavy Rail: Geiselle MK4 Federal ODG Rear BUIS: Troy (black) Front Sight: Troy (black) Front Sling Attachment: Muzzle Device: A2 Birdcage Optic: Romeo 4M or Aimpoint T2 w DD micro mount |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 8:19:46 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARogueNinja:
Someone wasn't paying attention to Geissele's black Friday sale, black Friday exclusive..... $262.50 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ARogueNinja:
Originally Posted By sanman28:
I thought the green rail was unubtanium. |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 8:28:00 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By boltcatch:
They're cool, but not nearly an extra hundred bucks cool (to me). I imagine a lot of people are going to enjoy them, though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By boltcatch:
Originally Posted By ARogueNinja:
Originally Posted By sanman28:
I thought the green rail was unubtanium. Your only chance of owning one is during this black friday weekend according to geissele, or paying inflated aftermarket prices when people try and flip them. |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 8:34:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BurtSaun1049]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HCM3156:
There is no “one” configuration for FBI Guns rifles. There are some general guidelines. The pistols are rifles are color coded for administrative and logistical reasons. HRT has tan. SWAT had OD green carbines and battlefield green G17s. Regular issue or POW is black /black. The swat G17s have factory minus connectors and some of the SWAT carbines are have Geissele triggers. It varies. Each office has a Firearms and. SWAT budget so there is latitude and variation office to office and team to team. Individual agents on SWAT also have some latitude for personal optics and accessories. At least in some offices. Older carbines , the ones I’ve seen, were RRA with a quad rail, houge pistol grip 11.5” barrel and various EO techs. These and the 10mm MP5s were replaced with a 11”5” Colt Carbine with a Troy Alpha rail, magpul CTR, Hogue Pistol grip and Aimpoint H2/T2 on a DD Mount. The latest version is an 11.5” Colt Carbine with the 10” G rail, ergo pistol grip, CTR and either a Aimpoint T2/H2 on a DD Mount or a SIG Romeo 4M on the Sig mount depending on what is availible. Of course, like any big organization you may see various mixes of all of the above. Troy sights have been standard on all the FF handguard guns. VTAC slings are basic issue but again that is not 100%. The Inforce Gen 2 long gun light is basic issue but you will see various Surefire etc if approved locally. Tan PEQ15s are standard on SWAT guns. I beleive SWAT and HRT can use flip magnifiers with their RDS. Locally I’ve seen some SWAT guys with an extra 14.5 or 16” Troy alpha railed upper and and ACOG. Makes sense if you are doing something in the TX brush country. Mission drives the gear. SWAT guys also had Springfield Professional 1911s, although must carried the G22s at the time (now replaced with 9mm guns). *ETA: another pic of current guns. 
Quasi-pic of how they used to look, minus the 11.5" bbl 
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2018 8:59:49 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BurtSaun1049:
*ETA: another pic of current guns. https://i.imgur.com/9vvYnw7.png |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 9:09:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BurtSaun1049]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OlacAttack:
Got a hi res link to that pic? Love the look, going all in. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OlacAttack:
Originally Posted By BurtSaun1049:
*ETA: another pic of current guns. https://i.imgur.com/9vvYnw7.png 
*ETA: nvm, I delivered
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2018 9:13:56 PM EDT
[#47]
I picked up a couple in green. Looks like one of the guys I got one for is backing out. I’ll know for sure by weeks end. If that’s the case and someone need one for a build shoot me an email, you can have it for what I payed.
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Posted: 11/24/2018 9:38:47 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BurtSaun1049:
Not that I want to disclose
*ETA: nvm, I delivered
https://i.imgur.com/WEvmKqX.jpg?1 |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 9:39:48 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CWied:
Is it just me or is something not right with that auto sear pin? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CWied:
Originally Posted By BurtSaun1049:
Not that I want to disclose
*ETA: nvm, I delivered
https://i.imgur.com/WEvmKqX.jpg?1 |
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Posted: 11/24/2018 9:42:46 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
Looks like it's missing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
Originally Posted By CWied:
Originally Posted By BurtSaun1049:
Not that I want to disclose
*ETA: nvm, I delivered
https://i.imgur.com/WEvmKqX.jpg?1 Man these FBI rifles are sexy as hell. |
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