Branching off from the normal Recce Rifle Thread for just legit clones. These have the most varying setups of all the clones, I believe. There is no hard data listed for every piece of equipment on these rifles. Only ITW photo's and some small lists of procurement from NSW. I have outlined the parts used most commonly but there are plenty of versions that are not covered in this list. The ITW one off photos of an already one off setup can be cloned using the parts visible in the photo!

There are 5 major types of these clones. All are built on Colt receivers except the 416 variant. Details are below

NSWDG RECCE RIFLE:

Optic: 2.5-10x24 Nightforce
Rings: Nightforce A110
Piggybacked Optics: Jpoint, T1, or Insight MRDS. All using the respective mounts for each either using Wilcox NF ring cap. NF/Wilcox RULR cap, or 30mm tube mounts.
Handguard: KAC FF RAS Rifle Length
Barrel: Mystery Manufacturer. is 15.1" in length and uses the Ops Inc brake and collar
Suppressor: Ops 12th Model(AEM5 kosher too)
Bipod's: Atlas BT10 or Harris 6-9
Pistol Grips: A2, Ergo Deluxe, or DPMS
VFG: TD VFG or Magpul AFG2
Stocks: SOPMOD or CTR

NSWDG 416 Recce:

Optic: Nightforce 2.5-10x24 or Nightforce 1-4x24
Piggybacked Optic: Jpoint and Insight mounted in Wilcox Ring Cap or Insight 30mm Mount/Cap.
Rings: Nightforce A110, or Unimount. Larue LT101 Riser
Handguard: Factory HK
Barrel: 13"? Chopped HK barrel with Ops Collar and Brake, 14.5", or 10.4" HK
Muzzle Device: AAC 18T, BE Myers 249F, or Ops Brake
Suppressor: Ops 12th Model or AAC 416SD
Pistol Grips: TD or HK
VFG: TD, Grip Pod, or KAC
Stocks: SOPMOD, CTR, Vltor, or Factory HK

OG NSWDG Recce:

Optic: 2.5-10x24/32 Nightforce or Leupold Vari-x/MK4 series
Rings: Nightforce A110's, A203's, Leupold MK4, or KAC 1.4/5"
Piggybacked Optics: Jpoint in Wilcox NF mount. NF RULR Mount for RULR
Handguard: KAC FF RAS Rifle Length and Medium Length
Barrel: Lilja 17" SS
Muzzle Device: KAC M4QD or BE Myers 249F
Suppressor: KAC M4 QDSS CORNCOB
Bipod's: Harris 6-9 or Grip Pod
Pistol Grips: A2
Stocks: SOPMOD or CTR

Delta Recce:

Optic: S&B Short Dot
Rings: Larue LT101 Riser, Larue Rings
Handguard: KAC MRE
Barrel: 14.5 M4A1 Colt
Muzzle Device: KAC M4QD
Suppressor: KAC M4 QDSS CORNCOB
Pistol Grips: A2
VFG: Gangsta Grip
Stocks: SOPMOD or Car

AFSOC 416 Recce :

Optic: S&B Short Dot, NF 2.5-10x32, or Leupold 1-6 MK6
Rings: Larue LT104, NF Unimount, or Leupold MK6
Handguard: Geissele SMR or Remington RAHG
Barrel: 14.5 HK
Muzzle Device: Surefire 212
Suppressor: Surefire 212 with SOCOM locking collar
Pistol Grips: HK
VFG: Stubby
Stocks: CTR
Bipod: Atlas

ISSUED GUNS:


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CLONES:

So to be considered “clone correct”, what are our limitations as far as uppers/lowers and grips?

Hmmm....that's a good question. I would say at a minimum an m4 upper (Cerro is probably your best bet) and an A2 profile lower. Obviously colt is the way to go if you are looking to get a correct as possible. The early recce's with the lilja barrels would probably need a colt "AF" forge code upper. Probably the same with the Delta MRE uppers. I haven't seen a picture of one that is good enough quality to be able to see the forge mark, so the assumption on the AF is made based on what was known to be seen during the period of use. Grips, you are probably safe using anything that has been seen used in the wild. I've yet to see two recce's setup identically so there's a good amount of leeway on this platform.

For grips I prefer the MIAD but I know the A2 is the most obvious correct part.

For uppers and lowers, I prefer mine to be matched, i.e. Spikes upper/lower, Aero upper/lower, etc.... just wondering how far off base that would be

Honestly, as far as the upper and lower, any of those matched sets would be the correct profile and perfectly fine to use. As long as it's an A2 profile lower and an m4 upper, you're good. You don't really have to get into roll marks and forge marks unless you are attempting to make a museum quality clone. People go nuts in the clone threads for colt lowers for the roll marks, but the thing that never made sense to me is they will do that knowing colt shaves the selector stops on all their commercial lowers. Which that's kind of a bigger knock than having the wrong roll mark if you ask me. I really think you would be safe with a MIAD also, plenty of those have been seen in use across several platforms.

What leupold scope is that in pic 5 and 6? Capped turrets and no illuminated reticle(mil-dot?) from what it looks like...

Sorry for the crappy phone pic, medium RAS

You see that scope on older recces and mre’s I haven’t nailed it down yet but I believe it’s a Leupold Vari model either taken from a sniper system or unit bought. I know a guy the went to sniper school with an m14 and hi-lux scope back in the day and I sent pictures of the scope in question to him for clarification.

My build is underway. Larue 16” barrel, KAC 12” RAS, Leupold 2.5-8 inbound. Next up upper/lower and Larue SPR Mount.

I’m having the barrel profiles by ADCO for the Ops can when it arrives and filing tax stamp by the end of the month.

Go with Colt, It'll make you warm and fuzzy inside you did it clone correct.

I guess I'll drop this here.

@Great_Balls_Of_Fire

Yesssssssss.

Receivers should be colt. As should the BCG. But it is what it is, run whatever you have that’s normal m4 upper and lower. No billet skull magwell or blinged out receiver sets and your straight.

Those are ghey. I plan on Spikes matched upper/lower

Ah the dueling penises. There are better options.

I have always liked Spikes but certainly open to others if there is better out there.

As far as cloning goes, imho if you aren’t going to use Colt receivers you might as well just use the cheapest ones you can find. Receivers are all basically the same except for the roll marks. My LMT lower and Anderson lower both do the exact same thing but at significantly different price points.

I'm just going to use my Armalite M15 as a host. This way I can sell off some excess parts and URGs to fund the new parts and keep the amount of ARs in my safe to a minimum. If I'm not mistaken, some of the Mk12s had Armalite receivers, right?

Those are the Leupold "PR" models, an example of one is HERE

Colt or NDS A1 lower, unbranded BCM upper; unless you can score a Colt upper as well. That's what I'd do, at least.

Hell yeah! You da man!

May I ask why those 2? Just learning not trying to argue.

The purpose of cloning is to use historically accurate parts to replicate it. More so why this thread was made to deviate from the RECCE rifle thread for more of the clone builds. Going out and snagging a Anderson lower for one of these defeats the purpose completely. Colt is primarily what was used, the A1 variant lowers (which are used for Mk12's) were used in these as well.

Who's got the one that is sitting on a table in like a conference room. It's painted and has vertical stripes like a grass paint job, tan, 1-4, sopmod stock.....  That one should be in here I think .  Harris 6-9...  LT-104   Anyone?  Bueller?  Bueller?

That Marine is using a MK12 mod 1, I believe

I still think this is a grey area. For clone purposes, other than it being made by colt, a colt commercial lower is more clone incorrect than any standard milspec a2 profile lower just from the stand point of the missing selector stops. And while the pony and colt denfense marks are the same the rest of the roll mark is different and missing the govt property line. Now I get I'm getting into semantics at this point but just saying

Anyone know the details on this? Is it a military rifle? Is that a legacy Surefire can?

But it's not fair the average joe can spend $30 on a lower while I spend $1,000 on my elitist roll mark bro. Come on now.

Hahaha....well you could be like me and spend $1500 on a lower made 25 years ago that cost $60 new bc of the dumbass state I live in....haha

Yeah, well I understand the preban life lol. That's inevitable.

Took you long enough to show up! That fist pic is an mk12 tho

Luckily for me and thanks to my homie who shall remain nameless to protect his identity from lower hungry cloners behind enemy lines, I got a Bushmaster a2 lower for $200

The struggle is real when a $200 bushmaster lower is golden bliss.

Right!?

ETA- at least it's not an $1500 essential arms. I'm am going to find a preban sendra lower for this thing at some point.

Make's me feel good for buying a KAC Ambi lower for $650.

Compared to what I'm used to that's a steal!

Anyone been to sharkarms.com? They have stripped colt uppers for $125... I can’t find them cheap so I may order one and a full auto BCG as well.

Would I want a square or keyhole upper?

There was a thread a few weeks ago and errbody said shark arms was good to go.  It’s hard to go wrong with the keyhole

Keyhole is what you would want, Cerro was the primary forge supplier to colt around the time that the recce was in full swing. By the time brass aluminum started supplying colt, the change over to the 416 was starting. Now if you are going early recce (lilja/249f) combo the the correct upper would be raised "C AF" markings.

Looks like more orders will be placed this week

My absolute favorite rifle ever and pretty much what I’m building toward, with a Leupold MRT instead of the NF.

What low pro gas blocks are you guys using under your KAC long FF RAS?

I have an inbound Lilja barrel and do not want to pin the gas block.

Badger would be clone correct.

That's a SEAL.

I'm liking this thread.

Thanks! I love seeing "non standard/issue" optics in use.

Thank you.