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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:47:46 PM EDT
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Replace the safety selector.
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Posted: 8/21/2017 11:49:32 PM EDT
[#2]
Either the selector spring is too short, or the selector spring channel in the pistol grip is drilled too deep.
I would think it has to be one of those 2. Try a new spring and/or new pistol grip. If its not those, either the selector or lower is out of spec |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 12:56:08 AM EDT
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Contact the store you bought it from or Colt. I wonder how Colt will stand behind this fake Colt rifle. I guess that what you get buying a sub standard fake Colt. Sorry OP I hope you get it worked out. I would just repalce the selector, detent and spring myself but Colt should be made aware of this issue.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:07:45 AM EDT
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its not a fake colt. its just a quality control issue from colt. the expanse is definitely a frankengun colt puts together on a 6920 stripped lower, but it IS assembled by colt in hartford and should not have these problems.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:34:45 AM EDT
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its not a fake colt. its just a quality control issue from colt. the expanse is definitely a frankengun colt puts together on a 6920 stripped lower, but it IS assembled by colt in hartford and should not have these problems. So the possibility exists that it is not assembled in Hartford. Now that said, it sounds like you have a out of specification safety selector in it and it needs to be replaced, so I would get a hold of the dealer you purchased it from first and follow what they tell you to do to get a replacement part for it. You might want to take some time and go through the Colt section of the Industry area on this system. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 1:56:24 AM EDT
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its not a fake colt. its just a quality control issue from colt. the expanse is definitely a frankengun colt puts together on a 6920 stripped lower, but it IS assembled by colt in hartford and should not have these problems. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 5:47:32 AM EDT
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It was built in Texas by Bold Ideas (depending on build date...haven't heard who's doing it after they went belly up). It will go back to Hartford for repair. My HB Expanse is there now for a canted FSB. Flip the cardboard over that it came in. Sourced in TX? Mine was. Swap your selector/spring/grip. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 8:18:23 AM EDT
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This is what happens when you buy one of the cheapest rifles on the market
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Posted: 8/22/2017 2:25:24 PM EDT
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This is what happens when you buy one of the cheapest rifles on the market I have a handful of "real 6920s," too. Which Expanse do you have? |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 2:42:30 PM EDT
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its not a fake colt. its just a quality control issue from colt. the expanse is definitely a frankengun colt puts together on a 6920 stripped lower, but it IS assembled by colt in hartford and should not have these problems. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 2:51:16 PM EDT
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Actually, it basically is a fake Colt. Do some research on the Expanse line, OP. I replaced some of the parts on mine that were "non-colt:" mag catch, receiver extension, buffer, ect. 
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Posted: 8/22/2017 2:52:23 PM EDT
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The Expanse that I had before my 6920 had an le6920 lower (all milspec) a proper marked BCG and correct waffle stock/ 4 pos extension.
Bbl, upper receiver, changing handle, and handguards were not typical. Non CLD bbl, heavier profile, but accurate as hell. CE 2000. Lots of variance with them. The 14.5" SOCOM bbl models are the way to go if buying Expanse, IMO. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 3:13:39 PM EDT
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Brand new gun I would contact Colt. I know it sucks to send stuff back but the few times I have (not Colt) it didn't cost me anything and everything was made right.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 3:36:24 PM EDT
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Actually, most of the parts ARE colt. The bolts and carriers appear to be the same that Colt uses, minus the "c". HB has a Socom barrel, too. I replaced some of the parts on mine that were "non-colt:" mag catch, receiver extension, buffer, ect. <a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/gp/152204522@N02/178hY6" title="IMG_20170820_183644"><img src="https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4331/36344699520_b0dc2f4883_k.jpg" width="1520" height="2048" alt="IMG_20170820_183644"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Also, I believe some used real 6920 lowers and some didn't. Just lookalikes. I'd have to double check. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 3:52:38 PM EDT
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New gun, I wouldn't start buying parts and swapping them. I'd get an RMA and send it back.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 3:57:10 PM EDT
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First time I have ever heard anyone say "the roll mark on my Colt lower looks too perfect".
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Posted: 8/22/2017 3:59:07 PM EDT
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First time I have ever heard anyone say "the roll mark on my Colt lower looks too perfect". |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 4:00:38 PM EDT
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This is what happens when you buy one of the cheapest rifles on the market |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 4:03:16 PM EDT
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(Borrowed from a random EE ad).
This is typical of what I've seen in the last ~14 months. Plus some real shitty ones. (Stock is obviously upgraded.) 
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Posted: 8/22/2017 4:06:12 PM EDT
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First time I have ever heard anyone say "the roll mark on my Colt lower looks too perfect". |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 4:18:48 PM EDT
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CE 1000 and a good initial portion of CE 2000 had CE prefix serialization.
I am fairly certain that all current 6920/Expanse share a common lower now, with LE prefix. Although some are still showing up with 6 pos extension and std. buffer. It's a crapshoot. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 4:24:47 PM EDT
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CE 1000 and a good initial portion of CE 2000 had CE prefix serialization. I am fairly certain that all current 6920/Expanse share a common lower now, with LE prefix. Although some are still showing up with 6 pos extension and std. buffer. It's a crapshoot. Cut rollmark. Not a genuine 6920 lower. Plus, .223 caliber designation. 
Stamped rollmark. Genuine 6920 lower. 
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Posted: 8/22/2017 4:40:16 PM EDT
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its not a fake colt. its just a quality control issue from colt. the expanse is definitely a frankengun colt puts together on a 6920 stripped lower, but it IS assembled by colt in hartford and should not have these problems. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 4:55:03 PM EDT
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The Expanse line being nonstandard is common knowledge.
OEM 1/2 is a better bet and cost effective. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 5:05:03 PM EDT
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Exactly. My point is that not all the Expanse line has always used a 6920 lower. They're marked the same, but ones a genuine lower and the other isnt. Cut rollmark. Not a genuine 6920 lower. Plus, .223 caliber designation. https://s2.postimg.org/futphja7d/2zyd0xt.jpg Stamped rollmark. Genuine 6920 lower. https://s2.postimg.org/o1lp940a1/28706804611_fb2020a770_o.jpg CE=made by Anderson (who also cranked out the infamous Colt 6900s). Besides the prefix, it's not hard to tell them apart. CE is engraved rather than rollmarked. CE has selector hard stops where Colt mills those off. CE is "cleaner" finished where LE shows flashing in typical Colt style. Speaking of the HB models, I do not believe the BCG is Colt or even finished by Colt. I believe they're made and provided complete by AO Precision. Many say the FCG and some other small parts were Colt. I'd say they're sourced from the same place as Colt, but that gets iffy to say they're real Colt. But on small parts like that, it's hard to say. A good milspec kit like CMMG...some of those parts look and are marked identical to what's in a brand new 6920. But that barrel...real deal SOCOM. And adding everything else up, $540 spent on those when they were in stock was a heck of a deal for what it was. To the OP problem, if I had a spare selector, I'd take the all of 2 minutes it takes to change it out. If that's all it is, call Colt. That's an envelope and a stamp away from them solving that problem quick. If that's not it, then get your RMA. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 5:46:49 PM EDT
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LE=made by Colt CE=made by Anderson (who also cranked out the infamous Colt 6900s). Besides the prefix, it's not hard to tell them apart. CE is engraved rather than rollmarked. CE has selector hard stops where Colt mills those off. CE is "cleaner" finished where LE shows flashing in typical Colt style. Speaking of the HB models, I do not believe the BCG is Colt or even finished by Colt. I believe they're made and provided complete by AO Precision. Many say the FCG and some other small parts were Colt. I'd say they're sourced from the same place as Colt, but that gets iffy to say they're real Colt. But on small parts like that, it's hard to say. A good milspec kit like CMMG...some of those parts look and are marked identical to what's in a brand new 6920. But that barrel...real deal SOCOM. And adding everything else up, $540 spent on those when they were in stock was a heck of a deal for what it was. To the OP problem, if I had a spare selector, I'd take the all of 2 minutes it takes to change it out. If that's all it is, call Colt. That's an envelope and a stamp away from them solving that problem quick. If that's not it, then get your RMA. Using the HB as an example because they are, in my opinion, the closest Expanse model to a real Colt, if the only components on the gun that are genuine Colt are the complete lower assembly and SOCOM barrel, than it's far from a real deal Colt rifle. If I can't take a new 6920 and swap the original upper and BCG out for some other brand and still say it's a genuine Colt, than why would you consider the Expanse a real Colt? |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 6:17:11 PM EDT
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In response to the OP's question...
I wonder if the "Safety Selector Detent " is actually installed... the spring alone could do what he is describing. OP check for that part... the gold part is what might be missing. 
https://www.brownells.com/.aspx/lid=11636/learn/ |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 6:34:54 PM EDT
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In response to the OP's question... I wonder if the "Safety Selector Detent " is actually installed... the spring alone could do what he is describing. OP check for that part... the gold part is what might be missing. https://www.recoilsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/IMG_1508.jpg https://www.brownells.com/.aspx/lid=11636/learn/ My guess is either the selector is defective, the spring is too short, or the channel in the grip is too deep. Any of these, or a combination, could be causing his issue. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 6:44:07 PM EDT
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OP, if you have another selector laying around, try installing it and see what happens. Same goes for the spring, selector detent, and grip until you figure out which one is causing the hang-up.
I wouldn't send it back for such a simple problem. It's an easy fix once you figure out which part is bad. I kind of doubt it, but if you call Colt, explain the issue and ask nicely, they might just drop a grip, selector, detent, and spring in the mail for you. Seems like a waste to issue you an RMA and go through the hassle of a warranty return for such a simple repair. If you don't have the spare parts to swap things around until you figure it out, or if Colt won't just send replacements out and they want you to return the gun, shoot me a PM. I'll ship you a spare grip, selector, detent, and spring. I've got literally TONS of these parts laying around and would be glad to help. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 7:02:36 PM EDT
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(Borrowed from a random EE ad). This is typical of what I've seen in the last ~14 months. Plus some real shitty ones. (Stock is obviously upgraded.) https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/36221262642_e2084ee5d4_c-287576.jpg |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 7:04:38 PM EDT
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In response to the OP's question... I wonder if the "Safety Selector Detent " is actually installed... the spring alone could do what he is describing. OP check for that part... the gold part is what might be missing. https://www.recoilsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/IMG_1508.jpg https://www.brownells.com/.aspx/lid=11636/learn/ |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 7:14:35 PM EDT
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sadly, i don't have any spare parts laying around. The detent and spring are both present and installed correctly. i'll try putting on a magpul pistol grip i have lying around to see if the channel in the grip is drilled too deep- I hadn't thought about that, its a decent possibility. It is the HB expanse, and besides this issue i'm happy with it- took it to the range, put m855 in just barely over 1" groups, which is pretty damn good for a rack AR. I inspected everything else on the rifle- here's my observations
the lower receiver is real colt- its a rollmarked 6920 lower. the trigger and hammer assembly might be real colt- it's a mil-spec standard trigger and hammer. the mag catch is not 'real colt' although i dont know that it matters- it has a sightly different look- no circle where the post that goes through the receiver shows on the left side, if that makes sense. Came with a mil-spec buffer tube, staked castle nut that seems slightly off colored to be 'real colt', and a standard carbine buffer. bolt catch seems standard. stripped upper is definitely not colt, doesn't have the right forging marks on it. bcg seems high quality, is marked mpi or hpi or something to show that its magnetic and high pressure inspected- i'll have to check on the exact lettering later, but its electropenciled in, which isn't standard colt, and there's no 'c'- but its a standard bcg regardless, and it works so im fine with it. the barrel is a socom overrun 14.5 colt barrel, and is dead-nuts accurate. the pinning and welding of the flash hider seems very nicely done too. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 7:17:33 PM EDT
[#33]
it also has an 'LE' prefix and is very much a real 6920 lower- also forgot to mention extension is a 6-position.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 7:18:08 PM EDT
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sadly, i don't have any spare parts laying around. The detent and spring are both present and installed correctly. i'll try putting on a magpul pistol grip i have lying around to see if the channel in the grip is drilled too deep- I hadn't thought about that, its a decent possibility. It is the HB expanse, and besides this issue i'm happy with it- took it to the range, put m855 in just barely over 1" groups, which is pretty damn good for a rack AR. I inspected everything else on the rifle- here's my observations the lower receiver is real colt- its a rollmarked 6920 lower. the trigger and hammer assembly might be real colt- it's a mil-spec standard trigger and hammer. the mag catch is not 'real colt' although i dont know that it matters- it has a sightly different look- no circle where the post that goes through the receiver shows on the left side, if that makes sense. Came with a mil-spec buffer tube, staked castle nut that seems slightly off colored to be 'real colt', and a standard carbine buffer. bolt catch seems standard. stripped upper is definitely not colt, doesn't have the right forging marks on it. bcg seems high quality, is marked mpi or hpi or something to show that its magnetic and high pressure inspected- i'll have to check on the exact lettering later, but its electropenciled in, which isn't standard colt, and there's no 'c'- but its a standard bcg regardless, and it works so im fine with it. the barrel is a socom overrun 14.5 colt barrel, and is dead-nuts accurate. the pinning and welding of the flash hider seems very nicely done too. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 7:19:39 PM EDT
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And don't worry about what is and isn't real Colt on your Expanse. Some of us too easily go off topic.
If you're happy with it, than just shoot it and enjoy it. Good luck getting the selector issue figured out, and don't forget about my offer if Colt doesn't wanna help in a way that you're good with. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 7:21:15 PM EDT
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it also has an 'LE' prefix and is very much a real 6920 lower- also forgot to mention extension is a 6-position. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 7:24:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/22/2017 8:19:54 PM EDT
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That's a 6920 lower. You can tell by the two piece mag catch..unless it was changed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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(Borrowed from a random EE ad). This is typical of what I've seen in the last ~14 months. Plus some real shitty ones. (Stock is obviously upgraded.) https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/36221262642_e2084ee5d4_c-287576.jpg I'm fairly certain that all Expanse series come with them now. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:29:47 PM EDT
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Yep the only real comfirmed Colt part of the CE rifles is the lower but that was not the case with with the early ones. Early Expanse also did not have a forward assist just a plug that looked like one, come on a FA is what like $3-5. I understand the HB has a Colt marked Socom barrel. I wonder if its a real Socom barrel that is thicker under the hand guard and has proper Colt markings.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:48:55 PM EDT
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Yep the only real comfirmed Colt part of the CE rifles is the lower but that was not the case with with the early ones. Early Expanse also did not have a forward assist just a plug that looked like one, come on a FA is what like $3-5. I understand the HB has a Colt marked Socom barrel. I wonder if its a real Socom barrel that is thicker under the hand guard and has proper Colt markings. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:13:17 AM EDT
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Real deal. SOCOM profile/ 1-7" twist/CL/14.5"/ proper Colt markings Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yep the only real comfirmed Colt part of the CE rifles is the lower but that was not the case with with the early ones. Early Expanse also did not have a forward assist just a plug that looked like one, come on a FA is what like $3-5. I understand the HB has a Colt marked Socom barrel. I wonder if its a real Socom barrel that is thicker under the hand guard and has proper Colt markings. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 7:41:33 AM EDT
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Real deal. SOCOM profile/ 1-7" twist/CL/14.5"/ proper Colt markings 
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Posted: 9/16/2017 11:52:07 PM EDT
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tried switching out the pistol grip, and tried switching out the detent spring. hasn't worked. i'm going to switch the detent itself and the selector next. my suspicion now is that what it really is is an out of spec colt lower- which is surprising, because its a real hartford colt lower (rollmarked instead of engraved, le prefix, etc). If it is the lower, I'm probably going to just live with it. It isn't a big enough deal to effect the use of the rifle.
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Posted: 9/17/2017 12:12:16 AM EDT
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Selector/detent would be the next logical avenue.
Did the grip/spring swap change anything noticeable? Or exactly the same issue? |
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Posted: 9/17/2017 12:18:14 AM EDT
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nope. exactly the same issue.
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Posted: 9/17/2017 12:21:23 AM EDT
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Post some pics of your selector. Mainly the groove for the detent. Maybe something visually obvious?
I would suspect the selector before the lower, but I suppose anything is possible. |
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