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Posted: 9/30/2017 3:35:55 PM EDT
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Peer nations don't fight each other with rifles. The type of small arms ammo you are using in that fight would matter about as much as the color of your socks. Peer fights, assuming they remain conventional...will be Naval blockades with massive electronic/cyber warfare elements with random missiles falling from the sky and things like the SFW hitting your vehicles followed by unbelievable artillery barrages. That's not even addressing things like crashing one another's power grids, financial markets, medical systems, and similar... Small arms would be an afterthought. If we are fighting people with real body armor in large numbers...and using small arms to do it...something is going very wrong. I mean, the whole island of Puerto Rico is out of power due to a storm?. What do you think would happen in New York if that happened? Maybe people would love each other kumbaya. Or maybe not. Not to focus just on SHTF. But the world, can be a pretty crazy place at times. |
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Posted: 10/23/2017 2:05:05 PM EDT
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Ambi charging handles likely? Are they permitted for current use now etc..? Preferred...or not preferred..
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Posted: 10/23/2017 2:58:31 PM EDT
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Ambi charging handles likely? Are they permitted for current use now etc..? Preferred...or not preferred.. |
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Posted: 10/24/2017 2:46:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2017 3:30:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/24/2017 11:35:33 PM EDT
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Woh:
"The Colt M5 uses a conventional short-stroke tappet piston where a two piece piston/ operating rod strikes the face of the bolt carrier group driving it rearward and the piston rod returns to its forward position by a spring." |
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Posted: 10/25/2017 1:00:47 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/25/2017 1:12:57 AM EDT
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Woh: "The Colt M5 uses a conventional short-stroke tappet piston where a two piece piston/ operating rod strikes the face of the bolt carrier group driving it rearward and the piston rod returns to its forward position by a spring." Even still, the solicitation for the new SOCOM upgrades specifically word themselves as such that pistons need not apply, according to some SMEs who posted about this. |
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Posted: 10/25/2017 4:22:51 AM EDT
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Kinda cool the lower used the same ambi controls of the le901 in a smaller package. I have the 901 and the ambi controls work great so it’s cool to see on a smaller lower Why make a huge lever like this: 
When it could be made like this: 
Unless it's designed for lefties wearing mittens, I think a much smaller mag release button would have been preferable. |
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Posted: 10/25/2017 8:48:50 AM EDT
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I'm calling bullshit on this. Colt had the M5 on display at two other shows, including SHOT show, and they were DI. Those were the "production" rifles, even. Even still, the solicitation for the new SOCOM upgrades specifically word themselves as such that pistons need not apply, according to some SMEs who posted about this. |
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Posted: 10/25/2017 11:10:28 AM EDT
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Yeah, I was just quoting what the article said. I have no clue if they knew what they were talking about or not.
I thought it was interesting though since Stukas87 said he'd rather have a piston system. It was the first time I heard that said by someone that has a clue. |
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Posted: 11/23/2017 5:38:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2017 7:09:59 PM EDT
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So what will the new M4A1 rail be?
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Posted: 11/23/2017 7:31:06 PM EDT
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So what will the new M4A1 rail be? |
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Posted: 11/23/2017 8:13:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2017 8:28:37 PM EDT
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So is the mk14 or 8 similar or what? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 11/24/2017 1:38:24 AM EDT
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Hoping 14.5" mid-length, but we'll have to see about that. And interesting read about the Geissele selector. So, if I'm reading correctly, you have to manually hold the selector in the "Auto" position while firing and then upon releasing the selector it automatically retracts back into the "Semi" mode? Seems kinda goofy if you ask me. |
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Posted: 11/24/2017 2:03:22 AM EDT
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Hoping 14.5" mid-length, but we'll have to see about that. And interesting read about the Geissele selector. So, if I'm reading correctly, you have to manually hold the selector in the "Auto" position while firing and then upon releasing the selector it automatically retracts back into the "Semi" mode? Seems kinda goofy if you ask me. |
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Posted: 11/24/2017 2:04:13 AM EDT
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Hoping 14.5" mid-length, but we'll have to see about that. And interesting read about the Geissele selector. So, if I'm reading correctly, you have to manually hold the selector in the "Auto" position while firing and then upon releasing the selector it automatically retracts back into the "Semi" mode? Seems kinda goofy if you ask me. One person who tested the selector, said it not THAT bad. |
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Posted: 11/24/2017 10:17:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Per SMEs, most shooting is done in SEMI...AUTO being for SHTF... but maybe the short throw lever would be better? One person who tested the selector, said it not THAT bad. A lot say the SCAR isn't that bad. Yet it broke like crazy under hard abuse. It adds extra springs and complexity to one of the most simple parts in the AR system. |
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Posted: 11/24/2017 3:39:59 PM EDT
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Fucking retarded. Hard to imagine manipulating that reliably under stress. 45 degree selector seems like the answer to me. |
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Posted: 11/24/2017 4:23:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's absolutely GENIUS. Seriously. Even when not under stress, flipping a switch to go to full auto is slow, and awkward. Having a 'toggle' button is so brilliant, and potentially revolutionary if the military adopts it. |
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Posted: 11/24/2017 4:25:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's absolutely GENIUS. Seriously. Even when not under stress, flipping a switch to go to full auto is slow, and awkward. Having a 'toggle' button is so brilliant, and potentially revolutionary if the military adopts it. |
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Posted: 11/24/2017 8:01:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/24/2017 8:29:23 PM EDT
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The ideal solution for full auto is the system used by the AUG/P90 - the "two stage progressive trigger" - a half pull is semi auto, while hard full pull to the rear engages full auto. This allows you to switch between semi and full on a moment to moment basis without manipulating any controls beyond the pressure of your trigger finger.
But the Geissele HSS/ Gas Pedal is the 2nd best solution out there, and it's a huge improvement over the current 180 degree AR selector. |
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Posted: 11/25/2017 8:45:33 PM EDT
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The ideal solution for full auto is the system used by the AUG/P90 - the "two stage progressive trigger" - a half pull is semi auto, while hard full pull to the rear engages full auto. This allows you to switch between semi and full on a moment to moment basis without manipulating any controls beyond the pressure of your trigger finger. But the Geissele HSS/ Gas Pedal is the 2nd best solution out there, and it's a huge improvement over the current 180 degree AR selector. |
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Posted: 11/26/2017 10:13:05 AM EDT
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So any news on the MK-16 rail being the block 3 rail and the Vortex razor being the new optic?
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Posted: 11/26/2017 10:22:54 AM EDT
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So any news on the MK-16 rail being the block 3 rail and the Vortex razor being the new optic? |
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Posted: 11/26/2017 11:17:15 AM EDT
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So any news on the MK-16 rail being the block 3 rail and the Vortex razor being the new optic? 
ETA: He said they weren't releasing it right now due to filling mil contacts. |
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Posted: 11/26/2017 6:31:53 PM EDT
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For URG-I (no such thing as Block III per say)
Mk16 M-LOK rail, 13.5 DDC DDC Airborne Charging Handle DD 14.5 midlength CHF w/gas block dimples DD MK12 gas block Legacy SF4Ps SSF triggers already in use H2 buffer The gas pedal trigger was part of a parallel Marine Corps effort called the IMR - basically a URG-I but with a few added tweaks S/F |
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Posted: 11/27/2017 6:55:38 AM EDT
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B3(ish)
<a href="https://flic.kr/p/21QFN2A">  </a>20171102_164241 by B A, on Flickr
As for the Geissele gas pedal selector, having been issued an M27(16in barreled HK416 variant) a couple times, I can tell you flipping to full auto is a chore. Being able to press and hold for auto would have been amazing and much quicker and effective at engaging. If you think it's stupid, you either don't understand the concept or have zero experience with full auto. |
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Posted: 11/27/2017 7:50:12 AM EDT
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B3(ish)
<a href="https://flic.kr/p/21QFN2A">https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4574/38619648556_898a56d0e6_z.jpg</a>20171102_164241 by B A, on Flickr As for the Geissele gas pedal selector, having been issued an M27(16in barreled HK416 variant) a couple times, I can tell you flipping to full auto is a chore. Being able to press and hold for auto would have been amazing and much quicker and effective at engaging. If you think it's stupid, you either don't understand the concept or have zero experience with full auto. I know the 416 is considered very accurate in semi auto, but I am very curious as to how it performs in full auto. |
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Posted: 11/27/2017 11:48:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you don't mind sharing, at what distance is the M27 effective in full auto? And how often is it employed in FA vs as a semi auto DMR? I know the 416 is considered very accurate in semi auto, but I am very curious as to how it performs in full auto. Although it was much heavier than an M4, I thought it was much more accurate. The auto trigger mechanism was much lighter and far less gritty than the horrific M4 burst mechanism. I thoroughly enjoyed the M27 and was very effective with it. It allowed me to make very precise shots but also to turn the heat up with aggression and get momentum going within the small unit. Flipping 180 to go back on safe during movement was a chore but doable. Having the G gas pedal would have eliminated any fumbling and made movement quicker. |
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Posted: 11/27/2017 9:13:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/28/2017 12:39:33 PM EDT
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For URG-I (no such thing as Block III per say) Mk16 M-LOK rail, 13.5 DDC DDC Airborne Charging Handle DD 14.5 midlength CHF w/gas block dimples DD MK12 gas block Legacy SF4Ps SSF triggers already in use H2 buffer The gas pedal trigger was part of a parallel Marine Corps effort called the IMR - basically a URG-I but with a few added tweaks S/F Also, did they decide to go with a lighter weight barrel profile? |
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Posted: 11/28/2017 12:47:47 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/104386/IMG_3688_JPG-287941.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/104386/IMG_3687_JPG-287945.jpg I can't remember where these pictures originally surfaced but I've heard these are test uppers for block III. DD barrel? ETA yes, DD it appears. |
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Posted: 11/28/2017 12:52:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agree not goofy I wish I had it my last tour. Going over to full auto takes way too much. You don't know you need it until you really need it. trust me its too far of a manipulation to be fast. Yes 99% of training even in SF is based off semi-auto. I think its in part to the difficulty with the safety design and training scars. Circa 1997 we trained full auto a lot for CQB, (at least the SF unit I was in.) Now almost non-existent in formal training. I bet it was not dreamed up on the fly ...I bet created from direct feedback form assaulters down range. And one comment on here of what if springs wear out? Already plenty of springs in the M4 and they do just fine. When you are in a confused environment you want full auto as your go-to but going from safe to full is awkward in a way safe-semi isn't. After first contact I was in burst and if I need control or accuracy I could back off to semi. I started doing this after I had two pop up moving targets at about 30Ms with nothing but my terp and it took me way too long to get on target. Had I had burst or full auto it would have been a much easier shot. we all trained safe, semi, engage, back to safe. But that just doesn't work with the traditional selector for burst/auto I am not sure how good the maintaining pressure for full auto is, however. I assume you can "set it and forget it" as a leg infantry, we get very little training on either burst or moving targets. Much less both. |
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Posted: 11/28/2017 6:28:07 PM EDT
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The ideal solution for full auto is the system used by the AUG/P90 - the "two stage progressive trigger" - a half pull is semi auto, while hard full pull to the rear engages full auto. This allows you to switch between semi and full on a moment to moment basis without manipulating any controls beyond the pressure of your trigger finger. But the Geissele HSS/ Gas Pedal is the 2nd best solution out there, and it's a huge improvement over the current 180 degree AR selector. |
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Posted: 11/28/2017 9:53:17 PM EDT
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That's a lot of Geissele. This is a good thing. DD barrel? ETA yes, DD it appears. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/104386/IMG_3688_JPG-287941.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/104386/IMG_3687_JPG-287945.jpg I can't remember where these pictures originally surfaced but I've heard these are test uppers for block III. DD barrel? ETA yes, DD it appears. |
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Posted: 11/28/2017 11:37:05 PM EDT
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My rifle for police things.  https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/209294/31CE4625-D073-4085-83C5-202B2294DE05-374645.JPG Waiting on my first eotech now. |
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Posted: 11/29/2017 12:14:35 AM EDT
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Now if Geissele could just release the Mk16 in a 10-10.75" for all the 11.5" SBRs...
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Posted: 11/29/2017 1:50:49 AM EDT
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I like it, but is it me or does that scope seem to high? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/104386/IMG_3688_JPG-287941.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/104386/IMG_3687_JPG-287945.jpg I can't remember where these pictures originally surfaced but I've heard these are test uppers for block III. DD barrel? ETA yes, DD it appears. |
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Posted: 11/29/2017 8:58:48 AM EDT
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I like it, but is it me or does that scope seem to high? Throw a PEC on the top rail and it is the right height. Had this debate a few months back. I, personally, like a higher scope mount for CQB (in the general sense, not the technical sense). The more heads up I am, while still maintaining my head on the gun, the more I can see around me and the faster I can react to targets. I give up some accuracy by not having a solid cheekweld, but I would rather miss a 600M shot than not see a 10M target. Fastest shooting in the world is Trap (reacting to unknown targets at unknown angles) This is a pretty standard rig at the high level. 
When we game, we tend to forget about the target acquisition piece because we know where the targets are. Think back to the old pop up range. What did you do? You lifted your head above the sights to acquire the target, dropped down and sighted in and took the shot. This, in theory, eliminates one step in that engagement chain. I have a G high mount. Really want to try the Razor 1-6 on it and see how it goes. blew all my money on other shit this Black Friday, though. |
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Posted: 11/29/2017 7:18:55 PM EDT
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Depends on how you look at it. Throw a PEC on the top rail and it is the right height. Had this debate a few months back. I, personally, like a higher scope mount for CQB (in the general sense, not the technical sense). The more heads up I am, while still maintaining my head on the gun, the more I can see around me and the faster I can react to targets. I give up some accuracy by not having a solid cheekweld, but I would rather miss a 600M shot than not see a 10M target. Fastest shooting in the world is Trap (reacting to unknown targets at unknown angles) This is a pretty standard rig at the high level. http://www.nikonspoton.org/files/2015/01/trap-shooting.jpg When we game, we tend to forget about the target acquisition piece because we know where the targets are. Think back to the old pop up range. What did you do? You lifted your head above the sights to acquire the target, dropped down and sighted in and took the shot. This, in theory, eliminates one step in that engagement chain. I have a G high mount. Really want to try the Razor 1-6 on it and see how it goes. blew all my money on other shit this Black Friday, though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I like it, but is it me or does that scope seem to high? Throw a PEC on the top rail and it is the right height. Had this debate a few months back. I, personally, like a higher scope mount for CQB (in the general sense, not the technical sense). The more heads up I am, while still maintaining my head on the gun, the more I can see around me and the faster I can react to targets. I give up some accuracy by not having a solid cheekweld, but I would rather miss a 600M shot than not see a 10M target. Fastest shooting in the world is Trap (reacting to unknown targets at unknown angles) This is a pretty standard rig at the high level. http://www.nikonspoton.org/files/2015/01/trap-shooting.jpg When we game, we tend to forget about the target acquisition piece because we know where the targets are. Think back to the old pop up range. What did you do? You lifted your head above the sights to acquire the target, dropped down and sighted in and took the shot. This, in theory, eliminates one step in that engagement chain. I have a G high mount. Really want to try the Razor 1-6 on it and see how it goes. blew all my money on other shit this Black Friday, though. The Razor is gonna have to wait.
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Posted: 11/29/2017 8:11:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I talked a little with the gunner in this thread on the problems with the full auto selector. When you are in a confused environment you want full auto as your go-to but going from safe to full is awkward in a way safe-semi isn't. After first contact I was in burst and if I need control or accuracy I could back off to semi. I started doing this after I had two pop up moving targets at about 30Ms with nothing but my terp and it took me way too long to get on target. Had I had burst or full auto it would have been a much easier shot. we all trained safe, semi, engage, back to safe. But that just doesn't work with the traditional selector for burst/auto I am not sure how good the maintaining pressure for full auto is, however. I assume you can "set it and forget it" as a leg infantry, we get very little training on either burst or moving targets. Much less both. Edit: This would have been Army, late 90s obviously, and I want to say Wildflecken is the one I remember. We tended to do more in the FWD Bdes, stateside duty was always twice a year, (once a year under Clinton) confirm Zero, go hit the BRM range for annual qualitification and that was it. We freq didn't even have unit funds for fucking blanks for FTX or parts for Tracks unless it was a safety Deadline gig that couldn't be Circle Xed by the BMO. |
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Posted: 11/29/2017 9:16:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What happened to the IMR? And is that list definitive? What happened to the Warcomp? Also, did they decide to go with a lighter weight barrel profile? First, it was sealed until someone leaked an old presentation on the CRA service rifles Facebook group, but you knew that. Basically, the GS mafia and no Colonel left behind program killed it through a steady barrage of personal and professional attacks, blatant power plays, successfully preventing exposure to end users, delaying/holding actions, misinforming GOs, deliberately taking information and data out of context, not writing requirements, selecting a system solution through a preference based process in a closed loop, running a complete IO campaign completely contradictory to social media guidelines, failing to write requirements (of any kind) correctly IAW the DOD 5000, attempting actions not in line with the FAR and DFAR, concealing Picatinny durability assessments, failing to integrate efforts laterally to other services as part of the JCIDS process, ignoring the process of proponency to advocacy, and basically being completely derelict in their duties. So, status quo it is, decided by non shooting retired Colonels that still wear their rank, and self proclaimed SMEs. You should FOIA the latest requirements memorandum for an SDMR capability and inquire why its so lax, and why the D, T, M, L, and F parts of the DOTMLPF has essentially been ignored. Its taking constant (and rare) prayer and restraint not to name names, tell all, and metaphorically burn it all down. In the meantime, yes, the URG-I is as stated. It is a logical approach to evolutionary capabilities growth. I predict, and hope, others will take the same logical approach. S/F |
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Posted: 11/30/2017 4:35:08 AM EDT
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Depends on how you look at it. Throw a PEC on the top rail and it is the right height. Had this debate a few months back. I, personally, like a higher scope mount for CQB (in the general sense, not the technical sense). The more heads up I am, while still maintaining my head on the gun, the more I can see around me and the faster I can react to targets. I give up some accuracy by not having a solid cheekweld, but I would rather miss a 600M shot than not see a 10M target. Fastest shooting in the world is Trap (reacting to unknown targets at unknown angles) This is a pretty standard rig at the high level. http://www.nikonspoton.org/files/2015/01/trap-shooting.jpg When we game, we tend to forget about the target acquisition piece because we know where the targets are. Think back to the old pop up range. What did you do? You lifted your head above the sights to acquire the target, dropped down and sighted in and took the shot. This, in theory, eliminates one step in that engagement chain. I have a G high mount. Really want to try the Razor 1-6 on it and see how it goes. blew all my money on other shit this Black Friday, though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I like it, but is it me or does that scope seem to high? Throw a PEC on the top rail and it is the right height. Had this debate a few months back. I, personally, like a higher scope mount for CQB (in the general sense, not the technical sense). The more heads up I am, while still maintaining my head on the gun, the more I can see around me and the faster I can react to targets. I give up some accuracy by not having a solid cheekweld, but I would rather miss a 600M shot than not see a 10M target. Fastest shooting in the world is Trap (reacting to unknown targets at unknown angles) This is a pretty standard rig at the high level. http://www.nikonspoton.org/files/2015/01/trap-shooting.jpg When we game, we tend to forget about the target acquisition piece because we know where the targets are. Think back to the old pop up range. What did you do? You lifted your head above the sights to acquire the target, dropped down and sighted in and took the shot. This, in theory, eliminates one step in that engagement chain. I have a G high mount. Really want to try the Razor 1-6 on it and see how it goes. blew all my money on other shit this Black Friday, though. |
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Posted: 11/30/2017 6:23:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/30/2017 6:28:56 PM EDT
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All those high speed low drag acronyms.
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