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Posted: 1/12/2015 7:11:11 PM EDT
This is the first AR that I have built in it's entirety from the ground up. I have assembled quite a few lowers... I have most of the components on hand(Lower is assembled already) and the rest are in the mail. I'm hoping to have her fully assembled by this weekend!! Tell me what you think? I know, I know need pics...I will post them immediately after the build is fully assembled.
AR-15 Custom build sheet Lower: Spike’s Tactical Honey Badger (Forged) Upper: Spike's Forged M4 Upper Receiver Assembly SFT50M4 Barrel: Spike’s Tactical 16" FN Mid-length CHF 5.56 w/ M4 Extension BCG: WMD Guns Nickel Boron Trigger: Geissele SSA-E Charging Handle: AXTS Raptor Ambidextrous Charging Handle Gas Block: Troy Low Profile Gas Block - Pro Grade (SS) .750 Gas Tube: Armalite Mid-Length Gas Tube- PA-GSTB-MID Hand Guard: BCM KMR 13” Muzzle Device: YHM-28-5M1 PHANTOM MUZZLE BREAK/ COMPENSATOR Aggressive 1/2"-28 Thread Stock: BCM Gunfighter MOD-0 Grip: BCM MOD-3 Bolt Release: Seekins Precision Mag Release: Seekins Precision End Plate: Noveske QD End Plate Pins: KNS Precision trigger group pins REMOVED. Geissele pins utilized instead. 
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Posted: 1/12/2015 7:21:22 PM EDT
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Quoted: This is the first AR that I have built in it's entirety from the ground up. I have assembled quite a few lowers... I have most of the components on hand(Lower is assembled already) and the rest are in the mail. I'm hoping to have her fully assembled by this weekend!! Tell me what you think? I know, I know need pics...I will post them immediately after the build is fully assembled. AR-15 Custom build sheet Lower: Spike’s Tactical Honey Badger (Forged) Upper: Spike's Forged M4 Upper Receiver Assembly SFT50M4 Barrel: Spike’s Tactical 16" FN Mid-length CHF 5.56 w/ M4 Extension BCG: WMD Guns Nickel Boron Trigger: Geissele SSA-E Charging Handle: AXTS Raptor Ambidextrous Charging Handle Gas Block: Troy Low Profile Gas Block - Pro Grade (SS) .750 Gas Tube: Armalite Mid-Length Gas Tube- PA-GSTB-MID Hand Guard: BCM KMR 13” Muzzle Device: YHM-28-5M1 PHANTOM MUZZLE BREAK/ COMPENSATOR Aggressive 1/2"-28 Thread Stock: BCM Gunfighter MOD-0 Grip: BCM MOD-3 Bolt Release: Seekins Precision Mag Release: Seekins Precision End Plate: Noveske QD End Plate Pins: KNS Precision trigger group pins |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 7:25:20 PM EDT
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This is the first AR that I have built in it's entirety from the ground up. I have assembled quite a few lowers... I have most of the components on hand(Lower is assembled already) and the rest are in the mail. I'm hoping to have her fully assembled by this weekend!! Tell me what you think? I know, I know need pics...I will post them immediately after the build is fully assembled.
AR-15 Custom build sheet Lower: Spike’s Tactical Honey Badger (Forged) Upper: Spike's Forged M4 Upper Receiver Assembly SFT50M4 Barrel: Spike’s Tactical 16" FN Mid-length CHF 5.56 w/ M4 Extension BCG: WMD Guns Nickel Boron Trigger: Geissele SSA-E Charging Handle: AXTS Raptor Ambidextrous Charging Handle Gas Block: Troy Low Profile Gas Block - Pro Grade (SS) .750 Gas Tube: Armalite Mid-Length Gas Tube- PA-GSTB-MID Hand Guard: BCM KMR 13” Muzzle Device: YHM-28-5M1 PHANTOM MUZZLE BREAK/ COMPENSATOR Aggressive 1/2"-28 Thread Stock: BCM Gunfighter MOD-0 Grip: BCM MOD-3 Bolt Release: Seekins Precision Mag Release: Seekins Precision End Plate: Noveske QD End Plate Pins: KNS Precision trigger group pins Hint: pick the SSA-E and ditch the KNS pins. |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 7:26:58 PM EDT
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Hint: pick the SSA-E and ditch the KNS pins. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is the first AR that I have built in it's entirety from the ground up. I have assembled quite a few lowers... I have most of the components on hand(Lower is assembled already) and the rest are in the mail. I'm hoping to have her fully assembled by this weekend!! Tell me what you think? I know, I know need pics...I will post them immediately after the build is fully assembled.
AR-15 Custom build sheet Lower: Spike’s Tactical Honey Badger (Forged) Upper: Spike's Forged M4 Upper Receiver Assembly SFT50M4 Barrel: Spike’s Tactical 16" FN Mid-length CHF 5.56 w/ M4 Extension BCG: WMD Guns Nickel Boron Trigger: Geissele SSA-E Charging Handle: AXTS Raptor Ambidextrous Charging Handle Gas Block: Troy Low Profile Gas Block - Pro Grade (SS) .750 Gas Tube: Armalite Mid-Length Gas Tube- PA-GSTB-MID Hand Guard: BCM KMR 13” Muzzle Device: YHM-28-5M1 PHANTOM MUZZLE BREAK/ COMPENSATOR Aggressive 1/2"-28 Thread Stock: BCM Gunfighter MOD-0 Grip: BCM MOD-3 Bolt Release: Seekins Precision Mag Release: Seekins Precision End Plate: Noveske QD End Plate Pins: KNS Precision trigger group pins Hint: pick the SSA-E and ditch the KNS pins. This man has the right idea. |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 7:28:16 PM EDT
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Please explain to a noob builder why I need to ditch the pins? The trigger isn't going anywhere...
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Posted: 1/12/2015 7:32:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please explain to a noob builder why I need to ditch the pins? The trigger isn't going anywhere... KNS pins and Gieselle triggers don't play nice together. |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 7:34:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please explain to a noob builder why I need to ditch the pins? The trigger isn't going anywhere... |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 7:35:39 PM EDT
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Why not just buy a bcm upper and lower instead if a mix master special?
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Posted: 1/12/2015 7:38:37 PM EDT
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Why not just buy a bcm upper and lower instead if a mix master special? Because I wanted to build an AR from scratch and not just pull it out of the box like most people do...And it's going to be cheaper. :D |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 7:40:56 PM EDT
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If you are willing to trust a Geissele trigger, trust the pins that Bill sends with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Please explain to a noob builder why I need to ditch the pins? The trigger isn't going anywhere... Hrmmm, pretty vague responses...So I should just use Bill's pins huh? lol ;) |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 7:47:16 PM EDT
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Because I wanted to build an AR from scratch and not just pull it out of the box like most people do...And it's going to be cheaper. :D Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not just buy a bcm upper and lower instead if a mix master special? Because I wanted to build an AR from scratch and not just pull it out of the box like most people do...And it's going to be cheaper. :D Ok. Geissele triggers do not work well with KNS products. Bill geissele has said this on many occasions. If you to purposely sabotage your build then go ahead and use the KNS. |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 7:47:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hrmmm, pretty vague responses...So I should just use Bill's pins huh? lol ;) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Please explain to a noob builder why I need to ditch the pins? The trigger isn't going anywhere... Hrmmm, pretty vague responses...So I should just use Bill's pins huh? lol ;) Why not use 'em? |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 7:50:11 PM EDT
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Ok. Geissele triggers do not work well with KNS products. Bill geissele has said this on many occasions. If you to purposely sabotage your build then go ahead and use the KNS. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not just buy a bcm upper and lower instead if a mix master special? Because I wanted to build an AR from scratch and not just pull it out of the box like most people do...And it's going to be cheaper. :D Ok. Geissele triggers do not work well with KNS products. Bill geissele has said this on many occasions. If you to purposely sabotage your build then go ahead and use the KNS. I realize that the kns pins are totally not needed, particularly on a new build that includes giessele triggers...but I wanted them just because, installed them on two guns - have no issues whatsoever thus far with giessele sd3-c triggers. But, now I'm having second thoughts if you can point to failures, just for my own edification. |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 7:52:24 PM EDT
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Ok. Geissele triggers do not work well with KNS products. Bill geissele has said this on many occasions. If you to purposely sabotage your build then go ahead and use the KNS. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not just buy a bcm upper and lower instead if a mix master special? Because I wanted to build an AR from scratch and not just pull it out of the box like most people do...And it's going to be cheaper. :D Ok. Geissele triggers do not work well with KNS products. Bill geissele has said this on many occasions. If you to purposely sabotage your build then go ahead and use the KNS. Gotcha, thanks for the response. I was not aware that Bill said this... |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 7:53:29 PM EDT
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I realize that the kns pins are totally not needed, particularly on a new build that includes giessele triggers...but I wanted them just because, installed them on two guns - have no issues whatsoever thus far with giessele sd3-c triggers. But, now I'm having second thoughts if you can point to failures, just for my own edification. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not just buy a bcm upper and lower instead if a mix master special? Because I wanted to build an AR from scratch and not just pull it out of the box like most people do...And it's going to be cheaper. :D Ok. Geissele triggers do not work well with KNS products. Bill geissele has said this on many occasions. If you to purposely sabotage your build then go ahead and use the KNS. I realize that the kns pins are totally not needed, particularly on a new build that includes giessele triggers...but I wanted them just because, installed them on two guns - have no issues whatsoever thus far with giessele sd3-c triggers. But, now I'm having second thoughts if you can point to failures, just for my own edification. Then I would ditch the Geissele and get the Spikes trigger or maybe an LMT 2-stage. Well, thats actually not would I would do personally (Id keep the Geissele), but if youre set on KNS pins then I wouldnt go against the advice of Geissele's owner...... Also, since its a mostly Spikes build, why not a Spikes NiB BCG? Not that WMD is bad. Edit: looks like a quality build, just giving you my $.02 which is what its worth
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Posted: 1/12/2015 7:53:33 PM EDT
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You bought a $200+ trigger that came with pins designed by the man that designed the trigger. Why not use 'em? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Please explain to a noob builder why I need to ditch the pins? The trigger isn't going anywhere... Hrmmm, pretty vague responses...So I should just use Bill's pins huh? lol ;) Why not use 'em? I spent $189, annnnd I wanted to use different ones?? That's one of the cool things about AR's, customization. Until it was brought to my attention that "they do not play well together". |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 7:54:32 PM EDT
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I realize that the kns pins are totally not needed, particularly on a new build that includes giessele triggers...but I wanted them just because, installed them on two guns - have no issues whatsoever thus far with giessele sd3-c triggers. But, now I'm having second thoughts if you can point to failures, just for my own edification. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not just buy a bcm upper and lower instead if a mix master special? Because I wanted to build an AR from scratch and not just pull it out of the box like most people do...And it's going to be cheaper. :D Ok. Geissele triggers do not work well with KNS products. Bill geissele has said this on many occasions. If you to purposely sabotage your build then go ahead and use the KNS. I realize that the kns pins are totally not needed, particularly on a new build that includes giessele triggers...but I wanted them just because, installed them on two guns - have no issues whatsoever thus far with giessele sd3-c triggers. But, now I'm having second thoughts if you can point to failures, just for my own edification. Check it. |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 7:56:07 PM EDT
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Why not just buy a bcm upper and lower instead if a mix master special? Because I wanted to build an AR from scratch and not just pull it out of the box like most people do...And it's going to be cheaper. :D Ok. Geissele triggers do not work well with KNS products. Bill geissele has said this on many occasions. If you to purposely sabotage your build then go ahead and use the KNS. I realize that the kns pins are totally not needed, particularly on a new build that includes giessele triggers...but I wanted them just because, installed them on two guns - have no issues whatsoever thus far with giessele sd3-c triggers. But, now I'm having second thoughts if you can point to failures, just for my own edification. Check it. Thank you for posting this (no sarcasm). This is a real answer...Looks like I'm ditching the pins. |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 8:01:09 PM EDT
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Thank you for posting this (no sarcasm). This is a real answer...Looks like I'm ditching the pins. No problem. Good move. |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 8:01:47 PM EDT
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Sounds like a really nice project, and I understand why you want to go this route instead of buying a complete rifle.
Now that the compliments have been made, I will join the "Ditch the KNS Pins" chorus. Many knowledgeable people consider them superfluous, and even if they are not, Geiselle specifically recommends against their use with his triggers. You're paying a considerable amount of money for a fantastic trigger, so why do something that may make the trigger pull not as good as it was designed to be. Hope that wasn't too vague. 
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Posted: 1/12/2015 8:06:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I spent $189, annnnd I wanted to use different ones?? That's one of the cool things about AR's, customization. Until it was brought to my attention that "they do not play well together". And, I completely understand that, but not at the cost of replacing a superior product with one that is nothing more than a gimmick. |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 8:10:30 PM EDT
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Back to the topic at hand- sounds like a good parts list, and it will be a fun experience. Enjoy it, OP! Be sure to post pics when Its all done.
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Posted: 1/12/2015 8:11:12 PM EDT
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Then I would ditch the Geissele and get the Spikes trigger or maybe an LMT 2-stage. Well, thats actually not would I would do personally (Id keep the Geissele), but if youre set on KNS pins then I wouldnt go against the advice of Geissele's owner...... Also, since its a mostly Spikes build, why not a Spikes NiB BCG? Not that WMD is bad. Edit: looks like a quality build, just giving you my $.02 which is what its worth Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why not just buy a bcm upper and lower instead if a mix master special? Because I wanted to build an AR from scratch and not just pull it out of the box like most people do...And it's going to be cheaper. :D Ok. Geissele triggers do not work well with KNS products. Bill geissele has said this on many occasions. If you to purposely sabotage your build then go ahead and use the KNS. I realize that the kns pins are totally not needed, particularly on a new build that includes giessele triggers...but I wanted them just because, installed them on two guns - have no issues whatsoever thus far with giessele sd3-c triggers. But, now I'm having second thoughts if you can point to failures, just for my own edification. Then I would ditch the Geissele and get the Spikes trigger or maybe an LMT 2-stage. Well, thats actually not would I would do personally (Id keep the Geissele), but if youre set on KNS pins then I wouldnt go against the advice of Geissele's owner...... Also, since its a mostly Spikes build, why not a Spikes NiB BCG? Not that WMD is bad. Edit: looks like a quality build, just giving you my $.02 which is what its worth This poster is not the builder, I am. I'm going to ditch the pins, I'm keeping this trigger!!(I actually just swapped them out lol) and I have had this BCG for quite some time from other builds and I don't want to buy another at this time. Thanks for the advice
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Posted: 1/12/2015 8:14:37 PM EDT
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Pins walking out isn't a common issue even with a stock trigger. Almost all of the people, including myself, that have had this happen did not install the trigger springs correctly. If you are getting them for looks go for it, but I have seen fewer builds with them and they seem to be going out of vogue.
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Posted: 1/12/2015 8:17:16 PM EDT
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Pins walking out isn't a common issue even with a stock trigger. Almost all of the people including myself that have had this happen did not install the trigger springs correctly. If you are getting them for looks go for it, but I have seen fewer builds with them and they seem to be going out of vogue. Yes I admit, I bought them for cosmetic reasons lol. In light of them possibly hindering the trigger function they have been swapped out already. That's why I'm on this forum...always something to learn. |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 8:33:13 PM EDT
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Back to the topic at hand- sounds like a good parts list, and it will be a fun experience. Enjoy it, OP! Be sure to post pics when Its all done. TY Sir!! I will post pics. Hopefully this weekend. It looks like the most tedious part is going to be lining up the GB and placing dimples in the barrel. I believe I am fully capable if doing this, I shall see lol... |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 8:36:16 PM EDT
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Yes I admit, I bought them for cosmetic reasons lol. In light of them possibly hindering the trigger function they have been swapped out already. That's why I'm on this forum...always something to learn. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pins walking out isn't a common issue even with a stock trigger. Almost all of the people including myself that have had this happen did not install the trigger springs correctly. If you are getting them for looks go for it, but I have seen fewer builds with them and they seem to be going out of vogue. Yes I admit, I bought them for cosmetic reasons lol. In light of them possibly hindering the trigger function they have been swapped out already. That's why I'm on this forum...always something to learn. And that is the right attitude to have OP; good for you. Too many times someone will come in here and get all butthole hurt because knowledgeable members crap on one of their ideas and the OP goes full blown retard instead of listening to reason... unlike you! That's a solid build spec sheet and don't forget to post many pics of it when she's done! |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 8:37:44 PM EDT
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Yes I admit, I bought them for cosmetic reasons lol. In light of them possibly hindering the trigger function they have been swapped out already. That's why I'm on this forum...always something to learn. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pins walking out isn't a common issue even with a stock trigger. Almost all of the people including myself that have had this happen did not install the trigger springs correctly. If you are getting them for looks go for it, but I have seen fewer builds with them and they seem to be going out of vogue. Yes I admit, I bought them for cosmetic reasons lol. In light of them possibly hindering the trigger function they have been swapped out already. That's why I'm on this forum...always something to learn. There is hope. Good job. |
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Posted: 1/12/2015 8:46:22 PM EDT
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And that is the right attitude to have OP; good for you. Too many times someone will come in here and get all butthole hurt because knowledgeable members crap on one of their ideas and the OP goes full blown retard instead of listening to reason... unlike you! That's a solid build spec sheet and don't forget to post many pics of it when she's done! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pins walking out isn't a common issue even with a stock trigger. Almost all of the people including myself that have had this happen did not install the trigger springs correctly. If you are getting them for looks go for it, but I have seen fewer builds with them and they seem to be going out of vogue. Yes I admit, I bought them for cosmetic reasons lol. In light of them possibly hindering the trigger function they have been swapped out already. That's why I'm on this forum...always something to learn. And that is the right attitude to have OP; good for you. Too many times someone will come in here and get all butthole hurt because knowledgeable members crap on one of their ideas and the OP goes full blown retard instead of listening to reason... unlike you! That's a solid build spec sheet and don't forget to post many pics of it when she's done! Ty sir....Hey, we all have something to learn right...I just wanted a logical reason, and this reason was provided. I will not argue when logical concise reasons are in front of me. I'm pretty happy, already looking forward to watching it all come together and learning in the process!!  Pics will come.
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Posted: 1/12/2015 10:55:54 PM EDT
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Why not just buy a bcm upper and lower instead if a mix master special? Because I wanted to build an AR from scratch and not just pull it out of the box like most people do...And it's going to be cheaper. :D Ok. Geissele triggers do not work well with KNS products. Bill geissele has said this on many occasions. If you to purposely sabotage your build then go ahead and use the KNS. I realize that the kns pins are totally not needed, particularly on a new build that includes giessele triggers...but I wanted them just because, installed them on two guns - have no issues whatsoever thus far with giessele sd3-c triggers. But, now I'm having second thoughts if you can point to failures, just for my own edification. Check it. Honestly, I went with kns out of ignorance, I was like "I can haz more better?" Anyways, I suppose I should swap back giessele>colt pins? |
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Posted: 1/13/2015 12:18:31 AM EDT
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Honestly, I went with kns out of ignorance, I was like "I can haz more better?" Anyways, I suppose I should swap back giessele>colt pins? I would, yeah. |
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Posted: 1/17/2015 3:17:23 PM EDT
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It all came together last night!! Test fire will happen on Monday.
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