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Posted: 3/16/2014 2:38:14 AM EDT
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When discussing the Mk 18 / CQBR program, we can divide the history and discussion in to two distinct categories: 1) The weapon system itself / upper receiver supplied and 2) the group of accessories deployed on said weapon systems (SOPMOD).
---------- Mk 18 Mod 0 / CQBR The M4 carbine and M16 are not ideally suited for all missions, so it was proposed that the modularity of the M16 series would allow a user to replace the upper receiver of an existing weapon with one more suitable to the task. One of two proposed special mission receivers that were planned for inclusion into the SOPMOD Block II kit, the CQBR has taken off on its own. Like the proposed Special Purpose Receiver, the Close Quarters Battle Receiver has been more or less taken on by the Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane Division (often referred to as NSWC-Crane or just "Crane") as its own project following the CQBR's removal from the SOPMOD program. Just as the Special Purpose Receiver morphed into the Special Purpose Rifle, and was type-classified as Mk 12 Mod 0/1, the complete CQBR-equipped carbine has been type-classified as the Mk 18 Mod 0. The purpose of the CQBR remains to provide operators with a weapon of submachine gun size, but firing a rifle cartridge, for scenarios such as VIP protection, urban warfare, and other close quarters battle (CQB) situations. The CQBR is designed to provide improvement over previous AR-15/M16-type weapons in this category. The CQBR is usually issued as a complete weapon system, and not just an upper receiver. The CQBR was once only available to Naval Special Warfare units, but the Mk 18 Mod 0 has become general issue for Visit, Board, Search, and Seizure (VBSS) missions and, as of 2006, for NCIS agents deploying to active combat zones.[citation needed] The Mk 18 is also used by the Coast Guard's Tactical Law Enforcement Teams, Maritime Safety and Security Teams, and Maritime Security Response Team and the United States Navy's Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) Operators. Wikipedia has a good article with sources on the original CQBR/Mk 18 Mod 0 and its development. ---------- SOPMOD The SOPMOD Program Management Office at NSWC Crane, IN, provides standardized, versatile weapons accessories to meet needs across SOF mission scenarios. These accessories increase operator survivability and lethality by enhanced weapon performance, target acquisition, signature suppression, and fire control. The CQBR itself was originally part of the SOPMOD program as an accessory replacement upper receiver for the M4. However it was eventually separated out into its own project. SOPMOD accessories for the M4/CQBR originally included things like the KAC RIS/RAS, SOPMOD stock, KAC M4QD suppressor, AN/PEQ-2 illuminator/laser, ECOS-N red dot, ACOG, etc The SOPMOD program has gone through multiple minor and major evolutions throughout its lifetime. The most significant is commonly defined as "Block II" and included the introduction/replacement of accessories that met the updated needs of operators. The most visually significant "Block II" accessory is probably the replacement of the KAC rail/FSB with the Daniel Defense RIS II free float rail with low-profile gas block. Other updates include things like the Surefire SOCOM sound suppressor, EOTech RDS (553/SU-231 & EXPS 3-0/SU-231a), LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL, etc ---------- Link to docs and photo albums Presentation on CQBR from Crane Operator's Manual for Mk 18 Mod 0 SOPMOD Program Overview presentation from Crane Photo Album of Mk 18 Mod 0 Photo Album of CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories ---------- Because of the long history of both the CQBR/Mk 18 and SOPMOD programs, it's common to find weapons with various mixed configurations in the field, all depending on what time and unit the weapon system belongs to. Below are a few examples with descriptions to illustrate this. Example of a Mk 18 Mod 0 in as-issued configuration including: M16A1 surplus lower receiver, SOPMOD buttstock, KAC RIS, KAC M4QD flash hider, Aimpoint Comp M2 in Wilcox mount, LMT rear fixed sight, CQD rear sling plate. NSW Operator CQBRs with original SOPMOD accessories including KAC M4QD sound suppressor and AN/PEQ-2 IR Illuminator/Laser. Member of a Combat Camera team with a CQBR with KAC RAS and M4QD flash hider but with other updated accessories from the "Block II" SOPMOD kit including SU-231a (EOTech EXPS 3-0), EOTech G33 Magnifier, LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL, Insight WMX-200. Good example of "early" CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories including SU-231 (EOTech 553) and SU-233 (Insight M3x weaponlight). Example of a more "modern" CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories including the updated SU-231a (EOTech EXPS 3-0) and Insight WMX-200 weaponlight. Many times certain configurations are common within certain branches/groups. Here a Marine Raider is seen with a CQBR with an AN/PEQ-16 (USMC issued vs. the LA-5/PEQ SOCOM issued ATPIAL) and KAC NT4 suppressor (vs. the current Surefire SOCOM suppressor). ---------- Building a clone If you're interested in building a "clone" of a Mk 18 or CQBR equipped M4A1, here is a basic parts list to use as a guide and get you started. This list is not exhaustive and see the * note above regarding personalized accessories. | Mk 18 Mod 0 | M4A1 CQBR Block I | M4A1 CQBR Block II Lower Receiver | Mil-spec forged A1 | Mil-spec forged A2 | Mil-spec forged A2 Stock | Gen 1 SOPMOD (Black) | M4, CAR, SOPMOD, CTR & others | M4, CAR, SOPMOD, CTR & others Pistol Grip | A1 | A2, ERGO & others | A2, ERGO & others Rear Sling Plate | CQD | CQD | CQD Upper Receiver | Mil-spec forged M4 profile | Mil-spec forged M4 profile | Mil-spec forged M4 profile Barrel | 10.3" | 10.3" | 10.3" Rail | KAC RIS | KAC RAS | DD Mk18 RIS II (FDE) Rear BUIS | LMT Fixed | LMT Fixed, MATECH, & others | MATECH, KAC 300m, & others Front Sight | A2 FSB | A2 FSB | KAC 99051 BUIS (Taupe) Front Sling Attachment | FSB Sling Swivel | FSB Sling Swivel | CQD Muzzle Device | KAC M4QD | KAC M4QD | SureFire FH-556-RC Supressor | None | KAC QDSS NT4 | SureFire SOCOM556-RC (FDE) LAM | None | PEQ-2 | LA-5 Weaponlight | SureFire M962 | SureFire M952, M962 | Insight M3X (Tan), Insight WMX200 (Bronze) Optic | Aimpoint Comp M2 in Wilcox Mount | Aimpoint Comp M2 in QRP Mount, ACOG | EOTech 553 (Tan), EOTech EXPS3-0 (Tan), ELCAN 1-4x (FDE) ---------- Link to previous threads Previous Mk 18 / CQBR Thread Part I Previous Mk 18 / CQBR Thread Part II |
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So...would I be killed for doing an EXPS 2-0 and having it cerakoted tan???
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Oh I’m sorry, I thought this was America!
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Originally Posted By Rothperson87:
Big block II mail day today https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/462226/39EE1969-3F3F-4F88-8497-D07853658756_jpeg-903450.JPG View Quote |
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Originally Posted By krdt: There is no CLEO signature, just a requirement for notification. They will email copies once you submit, you print the pages labeled "CLEO Copy" at the bottom and mail them to the CLEO you listed on the form. The "title" box is a holdover from eFile originally being for trusts (notice that is the RP section, even though you are filing individual). You can put "Individual" (what I used); some people put "owner" or even "Mr.". ETA: NFA Tracker does list eFile individuals, but I don't think many people report because the average wait time is about two weeks (unless you get stuck waiting for your background check and then it'll be months). I'm still waiting on an eFile from 12/06/18 (date the fingerprints arrived). Click Form 1-Individual and E-File Form: https://www.nfatracker.com/nfa-transfer-time-tracking/ View Quote Originally Posted By Cali2Carolina: I efiled as an individual and got my stamp in two weeks. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By cjwwd2:
Or just take the money you’ll spend on cerakote and get the EXPS3 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cjwwd2:
Originally Posted By smitty_007:
So...would I be killed for doing an EXPS 2-0 and having it cerakoted tan??? To answer your question smitty, the main diff will be no hood cut out for NV button. And no logos /markings left after cerakote |
I survived the California MagRush 3/29/19 - 4/5/19
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Oh I’m sorry, I thought this was America!
MI, USA
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
See I almost posted that same thing minus the BOING eyes. But then I figured he prob already has a EXPS-2, and thats why he asked..... To answer your question smitty, the main diff will be no hood cut out for NV button. And no logos /markings left after cerakote View Quote |
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Originally Posted By smitty_007: Ah yes, wasn’t thinking about that! . Might just have to spring for the 3-0. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Two select fire guns https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_7179_jpg-904140.JPG CD View Quote What the optic/sight on the AR? Looks tiny, T1 - T2? And thanks for the UID info! |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver:
Two select fire guns https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_7179_jpg-904140.JPG CD View Quote ETA- well I’ve got 2 form1’s filled out. One form 1 suppressor, and an sbr for my colt lower. Just gotta send in the finger print cards and wait the hopefully short (relatively) wait and I’ll be in business. The suppressor won’t be clone correct, but it’ll be 100% user serviceable and it’ll get the job done. |
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Dude that 350,000 Brownells value was within the first day of them accepting CA orders. As in within the first 24 hours lol ETA I just fent on a reloading press because of the ammo registration bullshit View Quote |
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I feel like this was skimmed over but anyone else receive their stripped Colt 10.3 from G&R? I feel like they were using the roll mark "C" in the pictures and description as bait to get people to buy in...my barrel/bag had the following marks...
On the barrel... 13629 M P 5.56 NATO 1/7 On the sealed bag... SP64046 BBL & BBL EXT. ASSY QTY = 1 S/O # 81161 |
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Originally Posted By Subiescott:
I feel like this was skimmed over but anyone else receive their stripped Colt 10.3 from G&R? I feel like they were using the roll mark "C" in the pictures and description as bait to get people to buy in...my barrel/bag had the following marks... On the barrel... 13629 M P 5.56 NATO 1/7 On the sealed bag... SP64046 BBL & BBL EXT. ASSY QTY = 1 S/O # 81161 View Quote Same stuff. |
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Originally Posted By cjwwd2:
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Can I borrow a case or 5? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By cjwwd2:
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I survived the California MagRush 3/29/19 - 4/5/19
Will twerk the corner for PEQ |
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
That's an air lift I can use right about now View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By cjwwd2:
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Without blood, it doesn't count!
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Originally Posted By Subiescott:
I feel like this was skimmed over but anyone else receive their stripped Colt 10.3 from G&R? I feel like they were using the roll mark "C" in the pictures and description as bait to get people to buy in...my barrel/bag had the following marks... On the barrel... 13629 M P 5.56 NATO 1/7 On the sealed bag... SP64046 BBL & BBL EXT. ASSY QTY = 1 S/O # 81161 View Quote Either way, since it's hidden it's not quite the same as buying something like an upper that is supposed to be C marked and getting a CAGE code upper. I wouldn't worry about it... everything going forward is going to be CAGE marked. |
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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
Lotta them now showing up marked "C MP CB 556 NATO 1/7". Eta: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/4657358C-F0B9-4510-AF80-6502D66C7071_jpeg-818701_JPG-904927.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By Subiescott:
I feel like this was skimmed over but anyone else receive their stripped Colt 10.3 from G&R? I feel like they were using the roll mark "C" in the pictures and description as bait to get people to buy in...my barrel/bag had the following marks... On the barrel... 13629 M P 5.56 NATO 1/7 On the sealed bag... SP64046 BBL & BBL EXT. ASSY QTY = 1 S/O # 81161 Same stuff. Eta: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/4657358C-F0B9-4510-AF80-6502D66C7071_jpeg-818701_JPG-904927.jpg |
I survived the California MagRush 3/29/19 - 4/5/19
Will twerk the corner for PEQ |
When freedom is outlawed, only outlaws are free.
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
You had your opportunity to buy mags, don't be greedy. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Originally Posted By cjwwd2:
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I survived the California MagRush 3/29/19 - 4/5/19
Will twerk the corner for PEQ |
Code word is Yellow Umbrella.
"All welchers should be removed from the EE"-Aimless |
De Oppresso Liber
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15&16' Afganistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18'&19' |
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Originally Posted By Kalmar:
Here might be an interesting development. This image was posted to CRA by a contract armorer. The cut down and dimpled barrels are supposedly from Crane. Is it possible they've depleted their supply of govt profile barrels and are now chopping SOCOM's instead? https://i.imgur.com/30HmX6l.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By krdt:
They're definitely being used, but I'm not sure if the current supply is all SOCOM profile or a mixture of the two. @Combat_Diver would be the one to ask. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Kalmar:
Here might be an interesting development. This image was posted to CRA by a contract armorer. The cut down and dimpled barrels are supposedly from Crane. Is it possible they've depleted their supply of govt profile barrels and are now chopping SOCOM's instead? https://i.imgur.com/30HmX6l.jpg View Quote CD |
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De Oppresso Liber
Iraq: 91,03,04,05,06,08,09,15&16' Afganistan: 09,10,11',14',17',18'&19' |
Originally Posted By cjwwd2:
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Not a bad price on a 11.5” socom(fbi) colt
https://www.armsunlimited.com/Colt-M4-Commando-11-5-inch-556mm-Barrel-Assembly-p/sp402251.htm |
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Originally Posted By Honda4828: Not a bad price on a 11.5” socom(fbi) colt https://www.armsunlimited.com/Colt-M4-Commando-11-5-inch-556mm-Barrel-Assembly-p/sp402251.htm View Quote |
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Originally Posted By cjwwd2:
Wrong barrel length for this thread View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cjwwd2:
Originally Posted By Honda4828: Not a bad price on a 11.5” socom(fbi) colt https://www.armsunlimited.com/Colt-M4-Commando-11-5-inch-556mm-Barrel-Assembly-p/sp402251.htm Although technically these look like FBI profile barrels(no cuts). If you scroll up on this page you will see discussion on the use of cutdown Colt Socom barrels on the MK18. It has been covered on here before as well. I personally have a Cut down colt fbi hrt barrel on my mk18 0. It use to wear a govt FN 10.3, but I swapped to the colt and never looked back. The pros of the 10.3” socoms far out weigh the one con when compared to the gov profile IMHO. |
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Don't recall any of my other 4p's changing colors but noticed mine did after the range yesterday lol.
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Originally Posted By brodband8:
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What do people think about this barrel, price and supplier:
https://charliescustomclones.com/colt-10-3-mk18-factory-barrel-govt-profile-fsb-c-marked-barrel/ |
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Originally Posted By WSAR15:
What do people think about this barrel, price and supplier: https://charliescustomclones.com/colt-10-3-mk18-factory-barrel-govt-profile-fsb-c-marked-barrel/ View Quote Price- horrendous Supplier- expensive |
I survived the California MagRush 3/29/19 - 4/5/19
Will twerk the corner for PEQ |
Code word is Yellow Umbrella.
"All welchers should be removed from the EE"-Aimless |
Originally Posted By Honda4828: Not if you cut it down to 10.3” Although technically these look like FBI profile barrels(no cuts). If you scroll up on this page you will see discussion on the use of cutdown Colt Socom barrels on the MK18. It has been covered on here before as well. I personally have a Cut down colt fbi hrt barrel on my mk18 0. It use to wear a govt FN 10.3, but I swapped to the colt and never looked back. The pros of the 10.3” socoms far out weigh the one con when compared to the gov profile IMHO. View Quote |
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Code word is Yellow Umbrella.
"All welchers should be removed from the EE"-Aimless |
Originally Posted By brodband8:
Don't recall any of my other 4p's changing colors but noticed mine did after the range yesterday lol. View Quote What was firing schedule on that? I don't think I have ever seen that either. I would guess that is the copper buildup on it that is starting to color? I don't see how you could burn through the coating and get it hot enough to heat color the base metal. |
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Originally Posted By JSchell1309: That's just the 4 prong showing it's true unicorn colors What was firing schedule on that? I don't think I have ever seen that either. I would guess that is the copper buildup on it that is starting to color? I don't see how you could burn through the coating and get it hot enough to heat color the base metal. View Quote It has 2,100 rounds on it so far. No full auto on this one yet, just standard firing schedule. If it wasn't heat treated correctly, it should be now lol. |
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