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Posted: 3/16/2014 2:38:14 AM EDT
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When discussing the Mk 18 / CQBR program, we can divide the history and discussion in to two distinct categories: 1) The weapon system itself / upper receiver supplied and 2) the group of accessories deployed on said weapon systems (SOPMOD).
---------- Mk 18 Mod 0 / CQBR The M4 carbine and M16 are not ideally suited for all missions, so it was proposed that the modularity of the M16 series would allow a user to replace the upper receiver of an existing weapon with one more suitable to the task. One of two proposed special mission receivers that were planned for inclusion into the SOPMOD Block II kit, the CQBR has taken off on its own. Like the proposed Special Purpose Receiver, the Close Quarters Battle Receiver has been more or less taken on by the Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane Division (often referred to as NSWC-Crane or just "Crane") as its own project following the CQBR's removal from the SOPMOD program. Just as the Special Purpose Receiver morphed into the Special Purpose Rifle, and was type-classified as Mk 12 Mod 0/1, the complete CQBR-equipped carbine has been type-classified as the Mk 18 Mod 0. The purpose of the CQBR remains to provide operators with a weapon of submachine gun size, but firing a rifle cartridge, for scenarios such as VIP protection, urban warfare, and other close quarters battle (CQB) situations. The CQBR is designed to provide improvement over previous AR-15/M16-type weapons in this category. The CQBR is usually issued as a complete weapon system, and not just an upper receiver. The CQBR was once only available to Naval Special Warfare units, but the Mk 18 Mod 0 has become general issue for Visit, Board, Search, and Seizure (VBSS) missions and, as of 2006, for NCIS agents deploying to active combat zones.[citation needed] The Mk 18 is also used by the Coast Guard's Tactical Law Enforcement Teams, Maritime Safety and Security Teams, and Maritime Security Response Team and the United States Navy's Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) Operators. Wikipedia has a good article with sources on the original CQBR/Mk 18 Mod 0 and its development. ---------- SOPMOD The SOPMOD Program Management Office at NSWC Crane, IN, provides standardized, versatile weapons accessories to meet needs across SOF mission scenarios. These accessories increase operator survivability and lethality by enhanced weapon performance, target acquisition, signature suppression, and fire control. The CQBR itself was originally part of the SOPMOD program as an accessory replacement upper receiver for the M4. However it was eventually separated out into its own project. SOPMOD accessories for the M4/CQBR originally included things like the KAC RIS/RAS, SOPMOD stock, KAC M4QD suppressor, AN/PEQ-2 illuminator/laser, ECOS-N red dot, ACOG, etc The SOPMOD program has gone through multiple minor and major evolutions throughout its lifetime. The most significant is commonly defined as "Block II" and included the introduction/replacement of accessories that met the updated needs of operators. The most visually significant "Block II" accessory is probably the replacement of the KAC rail/FSB with the Daniel Defense RIS II free float rail with low-profile gas block. Other updates include things like the Surefire SOCOM sound suppressor, EOTech RDS (553/SU-231 & EXPS 3-0/SU-231a), LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL, etc ---------- Link to docs and photo albums Presentation on CQBR from Crane Operator's Manual for Mk 18 Mod 0 SOPMOD Program Overview presentation from Crane Photo Album of Mk 18 Mod 0 Photo Album of CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories ---------- Because of the long history of both the CQBR/Mk 18 and SOPMOD programs, it's common to find weapons with various mixed configurations in the field, all depending on what time and unit the weapon system belongs to. Below are a few examples with descriptions to illustrate this. Example of a Mk 18 Mod 0 in as-issued configuration including: M16A1 surplus lower receiver, SOPMOD buttstock, KAC RIS, KAC M4QD flash hider, Aimpoint Comp M2 in Wilcox mount, LMT rear fixed sight, CQD rear sling plate. NSW Operator CQBRs with original SOPMOD accessories including KAC M4QD sound suppressor and AN/PEQ-2 IR Illuminator/Laser. Member of a Combat Camera team with a CQBR with KAC RAS and M4QD flash hider but with other updated accessories from the "Block II" SOPMOD kit including SU-231a (EOTech EXPS 3-0), EOTech G33 Magnifier, LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL, Insight WMX-200. Good example of "early" CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories including SU-231 (EOTech 553) and SU-233 (Insight M3x weaponlight). Example of a more "modern" CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories including the updated SU-231a (EOTech EXPS 3-0) and Insight WMX-200 weaponlight. Many times certain configurations are common within certain branches/groups. Here a Marine Raider is seen with a CQBR with an AN/PEQ-16 (USMC issued vs. the LA-5/PEQ SOCOM issued ATPIAL) and KAC NT4 suppressor (vs. the current Surefire SOCOM suppressor). ---------- Building a clone If you're interested in building a "clone" of a Mk 18 or CQBR equipped M4A1, here is a basic parts list to use as a guide and get you started. This list is not exhaustive and see the * note above regarding personalized accessories. | Mk 18 Mod 0 | M4A1 CQBR Block I | M4A1 CQBR Block II Lower Receiver | Mil-spec forged A1 | Mil-spec forged A2 | Mil-spec forged A2 Stock | Gen 1 SOPMOD (Black) | M4, CAR, SOPMOD, CTR & others | M4, CAR, SOPMOD, CTR & others Pistol Grip | A1 | A2, ERGO & others | A2, ERGO & others Rear Sling Plate | CQD | CQD | CQD Upper Receiver | Mil-spec forged M4 profile | Mil-spec forged M4 profile | Mil-spec forged M4 profile Barrel | 10.3" | 10.3" | 10.3" Rail | KAC RIS | KAC RAS | DD Mk18 RIS II (FDE) Rear BUIS | LMT Fixed | LMT Fixed, MATECH, & others | MATECH, KAC 300m, & others Front Sight | A2 FSB | A2 FSB | KAC 99051 BUIS (Taupe) Front Sling Attachment | FSB Sling Swivel | FSB Sling Swivel | CQD Muzzle Device | KAC M4QD | KAC M4QD | SureFire FH-556-RC Supressor | None | KAC QDSS NT4 | SureFire SOCOM556-RC (FDE) LAM | None | PEQ-2 | LA-5 Weaponlight | SureFire M962 | SureFire M952, M962 | Insight M3X (Tan), Insight WMX200 (Bronze) Optic | Aimpoint Comp M2 in Wilcox Mount | Aimpoint Comp M2 in QRP Mount, ACOG | EOTech 553 (Tan), EOTech EXPS3-0 (Tan), ELCAN 1-4x (FDE) ---------- Link to previous threads Previous Mk 18 / CQBR Thread Part I Previous Mk 18 / CQBR Thread Part II |
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Originally Posted By krdt: If it's 26" OAL or greater it's fine. It becomes a "firearm" if you add a VFG to a >26" pistol; if you add a VFG to a <26" pistol, it's an AOW. ETA: Mercy sakes, top o' the page. http://wkd.site.nfoservers.com/CQBR/CQBR.Colt.A2-04.jpg View Quote My brace isn't seated all the way on the tube, it's backed out an inch or so from being pressed full on. Not that I care about the length but I'd assume one would measure from the end of the buffer tube to the end of the barrel and not wherever the brace was placed on the tube. Which buffer tube is that? |
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Originally Posted By schaffer: Honestly never measured my pistol. I have a 10.5 on a pistol lower with the SB brace. My brace isn't seated all the way on the tube, it's backed out an inch or so from being pressed full on. Not that I care about the length but I'd assume one would measure from the end of the buffer tube to the end of the barrel and not wherever the brace was placed on the tube. Which buffer tube is that? View Quote There was an ATF response to an email a while ago where the ATF said you would include the length of the brace in the same way you would measure an SBR with the stock fully extended but it was the ONLY time I've ever heard that opinion, normally its without the brace as its not really permanently a part of the pistol or firearm. |
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Originally Posted By BBQnBlackRifles:
This showed up today. Waiting on my dd tool and torque wrench to show up.https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/476733/20180210_194719-447963.JPG Ambi selectors. Is the colt extremely rare? I signed up for the arms unlimited notification of its return to stock, is there another acceptable substitute just hold fast and wait? View Quote Eta photo- colt ambi from brownell's. Long/short levers |
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I went and got another mk18 started. This one will have an fn barrel with fsb and I have an fn upper that I'm gonna pair with it. If I can find a fsb mk18 ris or a fsp m4 ris cutdown for it, would it still be considered block two since it has an ris ii? I wasn't sure if the fsb made any difference in determining b1 or b2 or if it is just the ris ii vs ras. I had the newer fn setups in mind as shown by cd, only this is not socom profile and has the fsb. This one will be rattle canned for sure. Pics to come next week. If anyone has a lead on a cutdown m4 ris ii send me an IM. Otherwise I may go ahead and do it myself as I have been seeing the fsp m4 ris ii's in the $350 range.
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Originally Posted By Dyzastr:
I went and got another mk18 started. This one will have an fn barrel with fsb and I have an fn upper that I'm gonna pair with it. If I can find a fsb mk18 ris or a fsp m4 ris cutdown for it, would it still be considered block two since it has an ris ii? I wasn't sure if the fsb made any difference in determining b1 or b2 or if it is just the ris ii vs ras. I had the newer fn setups in mind as shown by cd, only this is not socom profile and has the fsb. This one will be rattle canned for sure. Pics to come next week. If anyone has a lead on a cutdown m4 ris ii send me an IM. Otherwise I may go ahead and do it myself as I have been seeing the fsp m4 ris ii's in the $350 range. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By brodband8: I said I would rather have the non anodized regular tan painted one because the glass is better. I already have two of the tanodized ones. View Quote Liar Liar Pants Are On Fire |
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View Quote I’ve moved on from the tanodized g33 to my skinodized wmx200. |
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Originally Posted By Dyzastr: I've been on somewhat of a retro clone block 1 flashlight kick. All have been found on the EE. http://i.imgur.com/Um1vVKI.jpg Got this one from a member that regularly posts here and in the m4 pic thread. I was happy to learn that this is the most rare and hard to find body style in the m951 series. It is the earlier body (sometimes referred to as gen 1), includes the sw02 tail cap, and is in decent shape considering its been issued. Question, I've been trying to find the difference between the m951 and m952 and so far all that I have found is that the m952 has a differen mount and better mounting options available. Is that the only real difference? http://i.imgur.com/fXC7Hmj.jpg View Quote |
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Gotcha. I spent a good while tryin to research the difference, and from the pics, I couldn't see any difference except in some cases their was an arms mount or other. With the parts bein interchangeable I'd think I was on to somethin, then I'd find an example that would disprove what I thought. Are the m961vs m962 similar in that respect or do they have other noticeable differences?
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Nice. Not too many greens seen on here. Color makes sense for my geographic location since its green half the year, and white the other. I'm sure a snow camo/white Mk18 wouldn't be looked upon to favorably though I just may end up doin one with some xtra parts for shits n giggles. We'll see.
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Originally Posted By Dyzastr: Nice. Not too many greens seen on here. Color makes sense for my geographic location since its green half the year, and white the other. I'm sure a snow camo/white Mk18 wouldn't be looked upon to favorably though I just may end up doin one with some xtra parts for shits n giggles. We'll see. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Dyzastr:
Gotcha. I spent a good while tryin to research the difference, and from the pics, I couldn't see any difference except in some cases their was an arms mount or other. With the parts bein interchangeable I'd think I was on to somethin, then I'd find an example that would disprove what I thought. Are the m961vs m962 similar in that respect or do they have other noticeable differences? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Dyzastr: Nice. Not too many greens seen on here. Color makes sense for my geographic location since its green half the year, and white the other. I'm sure a snow camo/white Mk18 wouldn't be looked upon to favorably though I just may end up doin one with some xtra parts for shits n giggles. We'll see. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20: Alright, so no kind gentlemen showed up to post them, so here you go: http://www.americanspecialops.com/images/photos/navy-seals/seal-snow-hr.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7axaZn8.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Dyzastr:
Brownell's has had the colt ambi selectors in stock for a few weeks now for $46.99, full auto version, that's where I got mine. Full auto works just fine in any semi auto without issues. And it won't make yer gun full auto in case anyone curious. Eta photo- colt ambi from brownell's. Long/short levershttp://i.imgur.com/qQ6XnGj.jpg View Quote |
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Some more parts showed up, waiting on the ambi colt selector and DD wrench to finish building this into a functioning upper. Next step, optics. Attached File
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Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20: Alright, so no kind gentlemen showed up to post them, so here you go: http://www.americanspecialops.com/images/photos/navy-seals/seal-snow-hr.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7axaZn8.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Finally zero'd that FN 10.3" upper but didn't have a chance to check 100m groups with different ammo. CD View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Core:
Can you post your 100m groups when you can? Non magnified is fine. Someone was trash talking 14.5" barrel grouping at 100 yards. I tried to explain 14.5-20" is not significant until you hit 600m. Also interested in where you got the FNs and how they group. View Quote |
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Went for a conjugal visit today to test the can on the 10.3, sucks having to go home without it but at least i can shoot it while i wait.
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Originally Posted By Conner378:
Went for a conjugal visit today to test the can on the 10.3, sucks having to go home without it but at least i can shoot it while i wait. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/448813/IMG_0124-450286.JPG View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Conner378:
Went for a conjugal visit today to test the can on the 10.3, sucks having to go home without it but at least i can shoot it while i wait. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/448813/IMG_0124-450286.JPG View Quote |
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Originally Posted By lonewolfgun:
Mk18 back on sale at Brownells again. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
What mount are you rocking on that Surefire? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JohnnySasaki20:
Originally Posted By Conner378:
Went for a conjugal visit today to test the can on the 10.3, sucks having to go home without it but at least i can shoot it while i wait. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/448813/IMG_0124-450286.JPG |
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Originally Posted By Dyzastr:
Anyone got a lead on some decent brownell's discount codes? I remember around Christmas time there was the 30 % off plus the active junkty discount. just might pull the trigger on one this time if I can get it in the high $600 range. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Dyzastr:
https://gun.deals/content/brownells?view=list That is a regularly updated list of all the coupon codes - both advertised and not. Brownells almost always has unadvertised coupons good for $10 off $100, $20 off $200 or $30 off $300. They tend to be a bit more stingy with their 10% and other higher value coupons. |
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Has there been any discussion in this thread of if the existing SOCOM contract will be the RC or if it will be the RC2 after the new one Surefire was awarded? I apologize if it was discussed before.
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Originally Posted By BurtSaun1049:
Has there been any discussion in this thread of if the existing SOCOM contract will be the RC or if it will be the RC2 after the new one Surefire was awarded? I apologize if it was discussed before. View Quote |
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I know it’s somewhere in the 964 pages but I can’t seem to find it..
What overall length did everyone put on their form 1 for their MK18 Mod 0? I am sending mine off tonight and have not gotten my barrel chopped yet. Thanks and looking forward to finally being able to post in here. |
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Originally Posted By JmAirpln1234:
I know it’s somewhere in the 964 pages but I can’t seem to find it.. What overall length did everyone put on their form 1 for their MK18 Mod 0? I am sending mine off tonight and have not gotten my barrel chopped yet. Thanks and looking forward to finally being able to post in here. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By krdt:
Depends on the stock if you want to be exact. I put 28" for my 10.3" CQBR, which should be pretty close when using a Colt N1. A SOPMOD would probably be 29"? Since you can't very well assemble it to take measurements, anything in the ballpark should be fine. You can always amend it later if you want to be exact. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By krdt:
Originally Posted By JmAirpln1234:
I know it’s somewhere in the 964 pages but I can’t seem to find it.. What overall length did everyone put on their form 1 for their MK18 Mod 0? I am sending mine off tonight and have not gotten my barrel chopped yet. Thanks and looking forward to finally being able to post in here. |
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I put 29.3 with a SOPMOD stock.
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Originally Posted By krdt: Depends on the stock if you want to be exact. I put 28" for my 10.3" CQBR, which should be pretty close when using a Colt N1. A SOPMOD would probably be 29"? Since you can't very well assemble it to take measurements, anything in the ballpark should be fine. You can always amend it later if you want to be exact. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Dyzastr:
Happy block 2 Tuesday. I just received my first 99051 today. Bought off the EE for a decent deal. This one has a nice caramel chocolate color. The pic in the ad sort of gave it the stone color that was around for a while, but this pic is more representative of the color it is. I'm happy with it. I was surprised at how light these are. http://i.imgur.com/doRIGw3.jpg View Quote |
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Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
One of the good FDE ones. I'm not sure if the new ones still have that diarrhea greenish/tan cerakote color or not but those ones were hideous. The chocolate FDE is where its at. And the black ones View Quote |
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Originally Posted By krdt: Around Christmas they were going for $605 with a 10% coupon and 4% from AJ (but it was on sale for $699.99). The current codes aren't all that great - max is $20 off. I would suggest signing up for Brownells mailing list because they often have single day 10% off coupons that can be easy to miss if you don't check the site daily. Also, keep an eye here: https://gun.deals/content/brownells?view=list That is a regularly updated list of all the coupon codes - both advertised and not. Brownells almost always has unadvertised coupons good for $10 off $100, $20 off $200 or $30 off $300. They tend to be a bit more stingy with their 10% and other higher value coupons. View Quote Eta- also had this waitin for me when I got home. Not sure what I'll end up doin with it, but the price was too good to pass up. FN barrel (not socom but eh), Cqd rear, LMT gen 1 black, y/m bcg, Kac ras. Bought painted so I'll eventually strip and use to try out diff color combos. |
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Originally Posted By JmAirpln1234:
Thanks fellas. I put 29” as i will eventually replace the waffle with a SOPMOD. Debating between an LMT or B5 but I know I’ll end up with the LMT cuz cloning. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By JmAirpln1234:
Originally Posted By krdt: Depends on the stock if you want to be exact. I put 28" for my 10.3" CQBR, which should be pretty close when using a Colt N1. A SOPMOD would probably be 29"? Since you can't very well assemble it to take measurements, anything in the ballpark should be fine. You can always amend it later if you want to be exact. |
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