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Posted: 9/8/2013 10:37:25 AM EDT
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I have handguns and I am looking for my first Assault Rifle. I am going to be using it for Home Protection and Training. My budget is $1000 - $2000. The only one I really have done extensive research on is the Noveske and that looks like a great rifle to get. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks! CodeBlack |
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Hello Everyone: I have handguns and I am looking for my first Assault Rifle. I am going to be using it for Home Protection and Training. My budget is $1000 - $2000. The only one I really have done extensive research on is the Noveske and that looks like a great rifle to get. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks! CodeBlack View Quote I prefer the term "Modern Sporting Rifle" vs "Assault Rifle". Noveske is a good choice. |
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I am in the same boat as you- I CCW in Fla and shoot in jax. The AR world is new and your $ limits are mine also. I may go the DIY route, with all the reading it looks like a doable!. Maybe with time the gurus will come out and give some pointers meanwhile - good luck
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I prefer the term "Modern Sporting Rifle" vs "Assault Rifle". Noveske is a good choice. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Hello Everyone: I have handguns and I am looking for my first Assault Rifle. I am going to be using it for Home Protection and Training. My budget is $1000 - $2000. The only one I really have done extensive research on is the Noveske and that looks like a great rifle to get. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks! CodeBlack I prefer the term "Modern Sporting Rifle" vs "Assault Rifle". Noveske is a good choice. I prefer Assault Rifle because that's what it is. |
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Hello Everyone: I have handguns and I am looking for my first Assault Rifle. I am going to be using it for Home Protection and Training. My budget is $1000 - $2000. The only one I really have done extensive research on is the Noveske and that looks like a great rifle to get. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks! CodeBlack I prefer the term "Modern Sporting Rifle" vs "Assault Rifle". Noveske is a good choice. I prefer Assault Rifle because that's what it is. Negative. |
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Hello Everyone: I have handguns and I am looking for my first Assault Rifle. I am going to be using it for Home Protection and Training. My budget is $1000 - $2000. The only one I really have done extensive research on is the Noveske and that looks like a great rifle to get. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks! CodeBlack I prefer the term "Modern Sporting Rifle" vs "Assault Rifle". Noveske is a good choice. I prefer Assault Rifle because that's what it is. Negative. If we want to get technical the AR's sold to Citizens are very different military Ar 15's. But it is still not your average rifle. |
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Quoted: I prefer Assault Rifle because that's what it is. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Hello Everyone: I have handguns and I am looking for my first Assault Rifle. I am going to be using it for Home Protection and Training. My budget is $1000 - $2000. The only one I really have done extensive research on is the Noveske and that looks like a great rifle to get. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks! CodeBlack I prefer the term "Modern Sporting Rifle" vs "Assault Rifle". Noveske is a good choice. I prefer Assault Rifle because that's what it is. Assault rifle is a term that originated in Germany as Sturmgewehr. An assault rifle has select fire capability. A civilian non-NFA AR15 is only sem-automatic. It is a semi-automatic rifle. The term assault weapon was coined by the democrats in the 90's to describe scary black guns to pass the assault weapons ban. If you're new to the AR, then the first think to know is that AR does not stand for Assault Rifle. It was named by the original designer for Armalite and stood for Armalite Rifle. |
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If we want to get technical the AR's sold to Citizens are very different military Ar 15's. But it is still not your average rifle. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Hello Everyone: I have handguns and I am looking for my first Assault Rifle. I am going to be using it for Home Protection and Training. My budget is $1000 - $2000. The only one I really have done extensive research on is the Noveske and that looks like a great rifle to get. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks! CodeBlack I prefer the term "Modern Sporting Rifle" vs "Assault Rifle". Noveske is a good choice. I prefer Assault Rifle because that's what it is. Negative. If we want to get technical the AR's sold to Citizens are very different military Ar 15's. But it is still not your average rifle. An assault rifle is a select fire, magazine fed weapon in an intermediate caliber. AR-15's are not select fire, and function just like any other semi-automatic rifle. MSR is a better fit, or just AR, or whatever. But an AR-15 is not an assault rifle. |
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If we want to get technical the AR's sold to Citizens are very different military Ar 15's. But it is still not your average rifle. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Hello Everyone: I have handguns and I am looking for my first Assault Rifle. I am going to be using it for Home Protection and Training. My budget is $1000 - $2000. The only one I really have done extensive research on is the Noveske and that looks like a great rifle to get. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks! CodeBlack I prefer the term "Modern Sporting Rifle" vs "Assault Rifle". Noveske is a good choice. I prefer Assault Rifle because that's what it is. Negative. If we want to get technical the AR's sold to Citizens are very different military Ar 15's. But it is still not your average rifle. Do you consult the liberal media for your terminology? |
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Hello Everyone: I have handguns and I am looking for my first Assault Rifle. I am going to be using it for Home Protection and Training. My budget is $1000 - $2000. The only one I really have done extensive research on is the Noveske and that looks like a great rifle to get. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks! CodeBlack I prefer the term "Modern Sporting Rifle" vs "Assault Rifle". Noveske is a good choice. I prefer Assault Rifle because that's what it is. Negative. First lesson. Just because the idiots on TV use the term "assualt rifle" does not make it correct. It needs to be capable of either burst or full-auto to be deemed an "assualt rifle". At least this is how I view it. An AR-15 is semi-auto only. No happy switch. It's maybe a little closer to being an "assualt rifle" then a Ruger 10/22. Also note, those "high-capacity clips", are really normal capacity magazines. Using the term "clip" makes a person sound like an idiot. A swift punch to the face is so ordered for correction. Welcome! |
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A little fellow 13'er advice. Joining a forum and then defining that forum for members who have a join date next to their name all the way back to 2001 is not the way to win friends and influence people. That said welcome! I was not new to the AR when I joined but I am a newbie to site membership since January. I highly recommend your reading some NFA nomenclature and the history of Armalite, Eugene Stoner, etc. It may help smooth your entrance here.
Now then with your budget I would look at Spikes, BCM, and Daniel Defense. Noveske and KAC maybe options for you also. Your choice on how much you wanna spend on a modern sporting rifle.
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/snip If we want to get technical the AR's sold to Citizens are very different military Ar 15's. But it is still not your average rifle. View Quote We would love to get technical... OBVIOUSLY you're not ready for that. What is an average rifle? What AR15 is the military issued? Clip or Magazine? Come on were are just waiting to be technical... |
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I am far from a Liberal. And I am not going to get into Politics with you. Maybe you should tell them to change the name. AR to MSR 15
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Going from bad to worse. Wondering if somebody is guarding the bridge right now?
EDIT: Rather than ad a new post I will just edit this one to say full fledged troll in action. He is wanting us to feed the monkey.
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OP, I bet you think AR stands for Assault Rifle. It actually stands for ArmaLite Rifle. You aren't going to make any friends around here (especially in this political climate) if you continue demonizing the platform.
That said, I think a Noveske is an Excellent choice given your budget. I would also consider a Larue if it were not for the obscene waiting list. One other point of consideration... when you say $1000-2000, do you mean for the base rifle or the complete gun ready to go to a range/training class/etc.? Parts and accessories add up fast and you'll blow through $2000 in a heartbeat if you were thinking optic, BUIS, light, sling, fore grips and the like. For example, a Surefire light designed for use on an AR can easily run you $300+, and any good red dot is going to be $400+. If you want the most bang for your buck, you may want to keep an eye out for Palmetto State Armory's $1000-1100 mid-length premium rifle with included Aimpoint Pro Patrol red dot optic. That would leave you enough cash left over for ammo, light, sling, range bag, etc.
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Quoted: Thanks for coming here and straightening us all out. You clearly already know more than us, and do not really need any tips from us. IBTM View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Well I guess the Military is Wrong then. Thanks for coming here and straightening us all out. You clearly already know more than us, and do not really need any tips from us. IBTM |
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OP, I bet you think AR stands for Assault Rifle. It actually stands for ArmaLite Rifle. You aren't going to make any friends around here (especially in this political climate) if you continue demonizing the platform. That said, I think a Noveske is an Excellent choice given your budget. I would also consider a Larue if it were not for the obscene waiting list. One other point of consideration... when you say $1000-2000, do you mean for the base rifle or the complete gun ready to go to a range/training class/etc.? Parts and accessories add up fast and you'll blow through $2000 in a heartbeat if you were thinking optic, BUIS, light, sling, fore grips and the like. For example, a Surefire light designed for use on an AR can easily run you $300+, and any good red dot is going to be $400+. If you want the most bang for your buck, you may want to keep an eye out for Palmetto State Armory's $1000-1100 mid-length premium rifle with included Aimpoint Pro Patrol red dot optic. That would leave you enough cash left over for ammo, light, sling, range bag, etc. View Quote And a training course. Which I am going to go out on a limb and say you would benefit from, OP. Welcome to forum, but you might want to read a little (a lot) before you go to war with other- more educated- members. |
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ETA: A 13'er from Joisey... Whadda ya expect. PS. I always kinda liked the term "paramilitary rifles". That's what the old Shooters Bible called them back in the "80's. |
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Quoted: Well I guess the Military is Wrong then. View Quote (Page 3) Early Colt AR-15s, their magazines, and their operator’s manuals were marked with ArmaLite’s name. Colt’s retained the AR-15 designation on commercial rifles. To this day Colt’s has a model designation with the letters AR, which stands for "ArmaLite”. |
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You need to cite a wild claim like that. Here, let me show you how to do that. (Page 3) Early Colt AR-15s, their magazines, and their operator’s manuals were marked with ArmaLite’s name. Colt’s retained the AR-15 designation on commercial rifles. To this day Colt’s has a model designation with the letters AR, which stands for "ArmaLite”. http://www.armalite.com/images/Library/History.pdf View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well I guess the Military is Wrong then. (Page 3) Early Colt AR-15s, their magazines, and their operator’s manuals were marked with ArmaLite’s name. Colt’s retained the AR-15 designation on commercial rifles. To this day Colt’s has a model designation with the letters AR, which stands for "ArmaLite”. http://www.armalite.com/images/Library/History.pdf And Armalite made Assault Rifles. |
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Just stop digging, OP. You aren't going to get anything constructive out of continuing with your current line of comments.
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But whatever sorry guys didn't mean to upset you. I am here to learn about the rifle and I guess I was wrong. Lets start over and stick to the subject that I asked.
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well I guess the Military is Wrong then. (Page 3) Early Colt AR-15s, their magazines, and their operator’s manuals were marked with ArmaLite’s name. Colt’s retained the AR-15 designation on commercial rifles. To this day Colt’s has a model designation with the letters AR, which stands for "ArmaLite”. http://www.armalite.com/images/Library/History.pdf And Armalite made Assault Rifles. |
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Well I guess the Military is Wrong then. View Quote The Army defines an "assault rifle" as follows: "Assault rifles are short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachinegun and rifle cartridges." So the military Is right, and you are alone in your ignorance. |
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And yes, ArmaLite did make Assault Rifles but the did not call them that. When Armalite was making guns for the military, they were Select Fire. The civilian version of this platform is semi-auto. It is NOT an Assault Rile.
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I love guns I am all for guns. I am a NRA Life member. I joined this site to learn.
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But whatever sorry guys didn't mean to upset you. I am here to learn about the rifle and I guess I was wrong. Lets start over and stick to the subject that I asked. View Quote Yes, lets move on. Noveske is a great choice in your price range. You should also look at Daniel Defense, and BCM complete rifles. ETA: Rainier Arms R.U.C. as well. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well I guess the Military is Wrong then. (Page 3) Early Colt AR-15s, their magazines, and their operator’s manuals were marked with ArmaLite’s name. Colt’s retained the AR-15 designation on commercial rifles. To this day Colt’s has a model designation with the letters AR, which stands for "ArmaLite”. http://www.armalite.com/images/Library/History.pdf And Armalite made Assault Rifles. Let me know when you start to read anything anyone has posted. Your ignorance and stubbornness are astounding for someone claiming to have a desire to learn. Let me explain it one more time with a reference. Do try to read it this time. -The AR in "AR-15" rifle stands for ArmaLite rifle, after the company that developed it in the 1950s. "AR" does NOT stand for "assault rifle" or "automatic rifle." -AR-15-style rifles are NOT "assault weapons" or "assault rifles." An assault rifle is fully automatic -- a machine gun. Automatic firearms have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934. -If someone calls an AR-15-style rifle an "assault weapon," he or she either supports banning these firearms or does not understand their function and sporting use, or both. Please correct them. "Assault weapon" is a political term created by California anti-gun legislators to ban some semi-automatic rifles there in the 1980s. -AR-15-style rifles look like military rifles, such as the M-16, but function like other semi-automatic civilian sporting firearms, firing only one round with each pull of the trigger. I'd like to see one reference for any claim you've made. |
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Yes, lets move on. Noveske is a great choice in your price range. You should also look at Daniel Defense, and BCM complete rifles. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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But whatever sorry guys didn't mean to upset you. I am here to learn about the rifle and I guess I was wrong. Lets start over and stick to the subject that I asked. Yes, lets move on. Noveske is a great choice in your price range. You should also look at Daniel Defense, and BCM complete rifles. there are several great rifles in your price range, and most will retain their value. I personally prefer building my own rifles. |
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Let me know when you start to read anything anyone has posted. Your ignorance and stubbornness are astounding for someone claiming to have a desire to learn. Let me explain it one more time with a reference. Do try to read it this time. -The AR in "AR-15" rifle stands for ArmaLite rifle, after the company that developed it in the 1950s. "AR" does NOT stand for "assault rifle" or "automatic rifle." -AR-15-style rifles are NOT "assault weapons" or "assault rifles." An assault rifle is fully automatic -- a machine gun. Automatic firearms have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934. -If someone calls an AR-15-style rifle an "assault weapon," he or she either supports banning these firearms or does not understand their function and sporting use, or both. Please correct them. "Assault weapon" is a political term created by California anti-gun legislators to ban some semi-automatic rifles there in the 1980s. -AR-15-style rifles look like military rifles, such as the M-16, but function like other semi-automatic civilian sporting firearms, firing only one round with each pull of the trigger. http://www.nssf.org/msr/facts.cfm I'd like to see one reference for any claim you've made. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well I guess the Military is Wrong then. (Page 3) Early Colt AR-15s, their magazines, and their operator’s manuals were marked with ArmaLite’s name. Colt’s retained the AR-15 designation on commercial rifles. To this day Colt’s has a model designation with the letters AR, which stands for "ArmaLite”. http://www.armalite.com/images/Library/History.pdf Thank you And Armalite made Assault Rifles. Let me know when you start to read anything anyone has posted. Your ignorance and stubbornness are astounding for someone claiming to have a desire to learn. Let me explain it one more time with a reference. Do try to read it this time. -The AR in "AR-15" rifle stands for ArmaLite rifle, after the company that developed it in the 1950s. "AR" does NOT stand for "assault rifle" or "automatic rifle." -AR-15-style rifles are NOT "assault weapons" or "assault rifles." An assault rifle is fully automatic -- a machine gun. Automatic firearms have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934. -If someone calls an AR-15-style rifle an "assault weapon," he or she either supports banning these firearms or does not understand their function and sporting use, or both. Please correct them. "Assault weapon" is a political term created by California anti-gun legislators to ban some semi-automatic rifles there in the 1980s. -AR-15-style rifles look like military rifles, such as the M-16, but function like other semi-automatic civilian sporting firearms, firing only one round with each pull of the trigger. http://www.nssf.org/msr/facts.cfm I'd like to see one reference for any claim you've made. |
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Building is always a great way to go, and the finished product is something you will cherish for a long time. That being said in my experience I'm glad I bought my first rifle. It gave me the chance to learn the platform and figure out what I like and what I didn't. I laugh now at the shit I did to my first AR, but it gave me the ability to build a hell of a rifle on my second time through..
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http://www.gunsinternational.com/Tactical-Rifles.cfm?cat_id=552
They say Tactical is there a difference between Assault and Tactical. Just asking |
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"Tactical" is 99% marketing terminology. A similar term that gained a lot of popularity with manufacturers a few years ago was "Zombie". Even EOTech stooped low enough to make a Zombie RDS. EDIT: This is what most people "in the know" think when they hear the term "Tactical" (also read as "Tacticool"). http://www.armoryblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/tacticool-ar-15-1024x485.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So- all the rest aside. I dont have a gunsmith in my pocket. Are there clear manuals out there for the DIY and if so can you mention the ones you trust?
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