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Posted: 5/30/2012 4:27:53 PM EDT
We are all stumbling around in a hobby with a million variables and infinite information, looking for the "perfect" rig. That's why the endless "Which is best..." posts. And I'm the worst offender.
Without regard to objective (hunting, PD, target, 3 gun, varmint, SHTF), have you found the elusive "sweet spot," that ultimate combination of lower, upper, trigger, grips, rails, buffers, barrel, scope, ammo, etc., that hit the sweet spot for you? If so, what did you find, and how did you happen upon it? And gratuitous pics welcome! |
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The following, for me, are handy with sufficient dwell and velocity: 12" 5.56, 10.5" 300BLK, 14.5" 308 (and a 762-SDN-6 suppressor to share) MRP / MWS platforms allow total flexibility with regard to configuration for a more specific need outside the sweet spot you seek. http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx166/jasonusvi/Sup4.jpg http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx166/jasonusvi/mwschop22.jpg I have nothing to add as a novice but just wanted to complement you on your set-up. You have not only resources but class. |
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The following, for me, are handy with sufficient dwell and velocity: 12" 5.56, 10.5" 300BLK, 14.5" 308 (and a 762-SDN-6 suppressor to share) MRP / MWS platforms allow total flexibility with regard to configuration for a more specific need outside the sweet spot you seek. http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx166/jasonusvi/Sup4.jpg http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx166/jasonusvi/mwschop22.jpg I have nothing to add as a novice but just wanted to complement you on your set-up. You have not only resources but class. +1. Sweetness! |
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probably my "backup" 3gun carbine... 16" Colt flat top with ventilated full float tube, M16 carrier, RRA trigger in RRA lower, A1 stock though I have a RRA Operator stock, single rail for mono grip and short rail for Scout Light... Miculek comp, ergo grip with 1.5x16 amber triangle ACOG
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The following, for me, are handy with sufficient dwell and velocity: 12" 5.56, 10.5" 300BLK, 14.5" 308 (and a 762-SDN-6 suppressor to share) MRP / MWS platforms allow total flexibility with regard to configuration for a more specific need outside the sweet spot you seek. Geissele triggers (SSA on 5.56 and adjustable service rifle on 308) Thinking Dueck offset irons make the most sense for BUIS with Eclan 1-4x as the primary optic (though have yet to try one). http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx166/jasonusvi/Sup4.jpg http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx166/jasonusvi/mwschop22.jpg Nice setup, but what light is that you have? |
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The following, for me, are handy with sufficient dwell and velocity: 12" 5.56, 10.5" 300BLK, 14.5" 308 (and a 762-SDN-6 suppressor to share) MRP / MWS platforms allow total flexibility with regard to configuration for a more specific need outside the sweet spot you seek. Geissele triggers (SSA on 5.56 and adjustable service rifle on 308) Thinking Dueck offset irons make the most sense for BUIS with Eclan 1-4x as the primary optic (though have yet to try one). http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx166/jasonusvi/Sup4.jpg http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx166/jasonusvi/mwschop22.jpg What BAD like device is on your lower? |
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The following, for me, are handy with sufficient dwell and velocity: 12" 5.56, 10.5" 300BLK, 14.5" 308 (and a 762-SDN-6 suppressor to share) MRP / MWS platforms allow total flexibility with regard to configuration for a more specific need outside the sweet spot you seek. Geissele triggers (SSA on 5.56 and adjustable service rifle on 308) Thinking Dueck offset irons make the most sense for BUIS with Eclan 1-4x as the primary optic (though have yet to try one). http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx166/jasonusvi/Sup4.jpg http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx166/jasonusvi/mwschop22.jpg Nice setup, but what light is that you have? Thanks. Light is a relatively cheap fenix in a larue mount... I should upgrade. The levers are one piece Phase5 for standard and 308 lowers respectively. |
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With everything, there's a compromise, and a lot is based on preference, so the "sweet spot" would be different for each of us.
But for me, I think a RECCE or M4A1 SOPMOD Block II style AR, fills most roles: 14.5-16" barrel with flash hider, FF handguards, and 1-4x scope or red dot and magnifier combo. |
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My Recce and 12.5" SBR are exactly how I want them.
Pics later, not available at the moment. |
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Heck if I know.
I've posted a bunch on my own guns and tho they are stock or nearly so, I'm finding the AR a sweet spot in general. |
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No,I bought several different guns.Im happy till someone posts another variation.
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Nope, don't have one.
My highest round count AR is my squirrel rifle that weighs in at 14 pounds unloaded and is 48 inches long. I can use it fairly quickly considering the number of running jack rabbits I've killed with it. But my home defense rifle is a 14.5 inch gun with all the typical crap bolted to it. |
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I finally, after three years, feel I have my Bushmaster where I want it. The Magpul bought most of it together, can't beat the functionality, feel, and look. I was hesitant on the Eotech, but prefer it now over red dots.Runs flawlessly with every brand of ammo, is a ton of fun to shoot. Now I just have to get working on the other two. http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7090/7305247158_de06ca06bd_c.jpg Nice setup! With the light there do you avoid barrel profile? Also where did you get those EOTech rail covers? |
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I don't think there is a "one gun does all". They are like specific tools for me so some are set up for hunting, some for HD/SHTF or whatever you want to call it. Several variations for each category too. Not saying you can't set one up to fill multiple roles but there are trade offs trying to do that that usually make it weak in both areas in my opinion.
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Three of mine feel "more right" than any of the others depending on the situation
Colt SP1 Carbine bone stock Colt 605 Clone 11.5" SBR with aimpoint and all the tactical Magpul goodies |
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My Colt SP 6920 M-4 is pimped out with every kind of accessory known to man.
My Colt 6520 Government Carbine is bone stock, utterly plain with no embellishment. I love both of them for what they are. |
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My "sweet spot".
Colt LE6921 SOCOM / M4A1 Clone Colt LE6920 lower: SSA, CTR Colt Upper: Colt 14.5" SOCOM, Pinned Vortex, KAC M4 RAS, FN BCG, Colt Carry Handle I use it for varmints, matches (NRA NDM, etc.), HD, SHTF, plinking, load development, etc. I would like to get a magnified optic at some point, that way I can slap it on when hunting. I use a KAC VFG normally, but the Grip Pod rides along when in hunting mode. |
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652 clone. This picture in Small Arms Of The World, 9th grade, 1982. http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/652_Colt.jpg And my version http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/35327652b.JPG I vote "Best Rifle In Thread". Nice! |
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I finally, after three years, feel I have my Bushmaster where I want it. The Magpul bought most of it together, can't beat the functionality, feel, and look. I was hesitant on the Eotech, but prefer it now over red dots.Runs flawlessly with every brand of ammo, is a ton of fun to shoot. Now I just have to get working on the other two. http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7090/7305247158_de06ca06bd_c.jpg Nice setup! With the light there do you avoid barrel profile? Also where did you get those EOTech rail covers? Thanks! It doesn't entirely get rid of the barrel shadow but puts what's left of the shadow in the least noticeable spot, about 5 o' clock. The Eotech covers are from GG&G. |
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My 11.5" SR-15 will be built and rebuilt until it's exactly what I want. That is, when the ATF let's me bring my baby home.
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The following, for me, are handy with sufficient dwell and velocity: 12" 5.56, 10.5" 300BLK, 14.5" 308 (and a 762-SDN-6 suppressor to share) MRP / MWS platforms allow total flexibility with regard to configuration for a more specific need outside the sweet spot you seek. Geissele triggers (SSA on 5.56 and adjustable service rifle on 308) Thinking Dueck offset irons make the most sense for BUIS with Eclan 1-4x as the primary optic (though have yet to try one). http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx166/jasonusvi/Sup4.jpg http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx166/jasonusvi/mwschop22.jpg Nice setup, but what light is that you have? Thanks. Light is a relatively cheap fenix in a larue mount... I should upgrade. The levers are one piece Phase5 for standard and 308 lowers respectively. I'm curious if the fenix has been problematic in this role for you, or if you just want a different light? I ask because I like fenix lights, and love their AA versions specifically... Thanks |
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We are all stumbling around in a hobby with a million variables and infinite information, looking for the "perfect" rig. That's why the endless "Which is best..." posts. And I'm the worst offender. Without regard to objective (hunting, PD, target, 3 gun, varmint, SHTF), have you found the elusive "sweet spot," that ultimate combination of lower, upper, trigger, grips, rails, buffers, barrel, scope, ammo, etc., that hit the sweet spot for you? If so, what did you find, and how did you happen upon it? And gratuitous pics welcome! Rack Grade M4 BUIS Aimpoint Light Sling |
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From my experience, I have found 12.5" barrels to give the best balance of accuracy and maneuverability. For me, that is the "sweet spot". I don't care if the rifle is floated or not, add a Geissele trigger and a T-1.... and I am a happy guy.
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IMHO
patrol type - 12.5 BCM upper / KAC URX / 1-4 type scope tight spaces - Daniel Defense MK18 w/ Aimpoint M2 / Surefire cans BCM gunfighter charging handles LMT SOPMOD stocks Mil spec triggers |
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I'm curious if the fenix has been problematic in this role for you, or if you just want a different light? I ask because I like fenix lights, and love their AA versions specifically... Thanks I've taken it though one basic carbine class and has been mounted for several thousand rounds and continues to work fine. Have not abused it but so far so good. |
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It really depends on the setup. I like shorter barrels with a suppressor mounted, the permed 14.5" carbine feels like a good all around rifle with an ACOG, and a 20" rifle can balance well depending how it's setup. The 14.5" seems to be good all around, but suppressed I'd much rather stick with 10.5" - 11.5".
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A man with a watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never quite sure. (old saying).
I bought my first AR not too long ago. Up to 1300 rounds now with no problems. Happens to be a Windham Weaponry MPC, but if I had something else I'd probably like it just as much. Based on what I've seen on this forum, I'm not going to go nuts and start dabbling. I'm happy now. If it ain't bust, don't fix it. (another old saying, one of my favorites) |
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This is it for me. I took a very long time picking out all the parts, but it was worth it in the end. You can't see it in the picture, but it's a 16" barrel. It's primarily a combination of Spikes, BCM, LaRue, Magpul, PSA and Daniel Defense. http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a202/bladefist45/AR15%20build/DSC_4633.jpg Pretty much this. will post a pic later. Very similar though. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Mine, DD upper, Spikes lower, PSA lpk. Combination of BCM, LaRue, Magpul. Cell phone pic. |
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Have to have a 16 inch because of Michigan law, but would go a little shorter if I could.
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I would like to revise my OP. I'm stumbling, but from these responses and pics, it's clear that many of you have found the sweet spot. I learned a lot from reading the spec's and looking at the pics. Awesome rifles. I hope we get more replies.
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